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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:39 am 
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I like a lot of the songs mentioned so far. But one man's meat is another man's poi, son.


You're not badmouthing poi, are you Cal?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YKH9astmPs

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:39 am 
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well, in my opinion, there's only one really bad tune:

tengo na minchia tanta

and, it's bad enough.
I will never understand why zappa was so fascinated by that nose-picking massimo bassoli guy...

I agree completely in every respect. The Massimo guy is just awful, and the song is NOT funny. And putting it on Uncle Meat is also just awful.

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HJ wrote:
Lumpy Gravy wrote:
well, in my opinion, there's only one really bad tune:

tengo na minchia tanta

and, it's bad enough.
I will never understand why zappa was so fascinated by that nose-picking massimo bassoli guy...

I agree completely in every respect. The Massimo guy is just awful, and the song is NOT funny. And putting it on Uncle Meat is also just awful.
And yet it's got a message I can identify with.. :P


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Mr_Green_Genes wrote:
3'44'' (John Cage)
Zappa was bad only when he was silent...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E
It's even 4'33! :)


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Hum... that explains why it wasn't showing up on my searches... :oops:
Did you enjoy the performance?

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i like em all, but it's a tie between " your mouth ", which just isn't interesting, and " broken hearts are for assholes ", which, while musically ok, is about as un-funny and un-clever as frank gets ( i mean that as a compliment ).


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buffalo_voice wrote:
HJ wrote:
Lumpy Gravy wrote:
well, in my opinion, there's only one really bad tune:

tengo na minchia tanta

and, it's bad enough.
I will never understand why zappa was so fascinated by that nose-picking massimo bassoli guy...

I agree completely in every respect. The Massimo guy is just awful, and the song is NOT funny. And putting it on Uncle Meat is also just awful.
And yet it's got a message I can identify with.. :P

Which? That picking your nose can bring you fame and stardom? :wink:

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Just curious if the people who hate Massimo have seen Video From Hell?

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Not that you might not still hate Massimo, but I had seen VFH a zillion times before I ever got UM on cd, so when I hear the audio, I think of Massimo's hit video and FZ and Massimo sitting around shootin the shit...

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me least favorite zappa tune is:

the torture never stops.

it really doesn't with that song.

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Trendmonger wrote:
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And as this Zappa worst list grows over the last several days I tend to think if all those songs were never released
and appeared as titles on some unreleased list you all would be fetishing over it begging for Gail to release that material.
Your point being? That one cannot be critical at some (tiny, tiny fraction of) released material, and at the same time have desires or dreams about new releases? Gee, the horror! You would be an excellent officer at the brain police.

I am not suggesting repression but Lenny Bruce backed up his words with dialog.
The point being critical analysis of art compartmentalized to Best & Worst Lists is entirely a bit too preposterous.
If people want to do a critical analysis of what a song is regardless of how much they like or dislike it is one thing
but little to no critical analysis is done with many of these best and worst lists. It's a good thing the artist
work speaks for itself and peoples opinions can easily get bundled into the no accounting for taste
and lack of brain density categories where hopefully such thoughts become worm food and the art lives for
all of humanity with an open mind.

The time people take to look at art, what that art is in relation to a set of known and unknowns is something
for some with an investigative mind that is quite a bit more open minded than these blank empty opinions of the this is great or this sucks attitude.
I mean look at how FZ used the Louie Louie Vamp throughout his career. Is the chord progression in Louie Louie
some Picasso? Regardless FZ showed how it can be used in different contexts and that is just as much part of the critical analysis
as how one may like the basic sound of the chord progression.

These Best & Worst Lists look like Bold Empty statements for attention more so on who is making the statement than the art itself.
Not only who but when are they making these lists and why are they making them. "IS YOUR WIFE SNORING BY THE SINK?"
No I bet she watches reality TV and it is rubbing off on YOUP YOUP YOUP YOUP.
Even when someone provides some meat and potatoes in the critical analysis category for someone to go out on the limb of best and worst sets up a whole scenario that is at times preposterous.
When one reads a cliff notes on any given William Shakespeare play it is all about critical analysis of what is happening in the play and seldom if ever is best and worst used in the critical analysis.

So while others ponder these best and worst trends I just tend to think there are other things that deserve a look
such as the MIxing scenarios of YCFOSA formats. While I may very well be sitting here in my best Louie Louie lapel singing
Best & Worst You Gotta Go ....Sincerely Best I mean it & Sincerely Worst I mean it..... Best & Worst
lists gotta goooooooo

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in all sincerity while no one here is stopping these people from commenting on such
I do feel a little MEDAC is in order.
So as I come to this junction The Persuasions Mary Had a Little Lamb Video is playing on Noggin TV.
yes indeed ......It's fleece was white as snow.
or should I say a serious case oh moo-ah

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:31 am 
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..........SNORE.......

If you don't like this topic, ignore it. Start something you think is worthwhile--like a thread about critical analysis or YCFTOSA mixes--instead of shitting all over a thread that folks seem to be enjoying.

To stay on topic, the one song that never excites me is "If Only She Woulda." Purely there for a segue and not that musically interesting, to me at least.


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Trendmonger wrote:
The point being critical analysis of art compartmentalized to Best & Worst Lists is entirely a bit too preposterous.

In my village, that statement is preposterous.
I don't know much about art, but I know what I like.
I don't waste time doing "critical analysis" of music. I just listen to it, and if I tap my toe, I like it.
If it makes me go "meh!", then no amount of explaining "how it's played" or "what it means" or "how unusual/difficult to do" will change my enjoyment (or lack thereof) of that piece.
If you enjoy something strictly for the technical ecstacy of it, fine...be my guest.
Me, personally, though, I just wanna listen to some nice tunes, and leave critical analysis to the Statistical-Densitymongers.
I like the bulk of Frank's ouvre enough to buy all his releases...is that not fan enough?

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"mixing scenarios of YCFOSA" -- who gives a fuck? Seriously, why would I want to critically analyze live mixes of a cover band? ZPZ is not part of the FZ canon--to me, it's a musical celebration and marketing plan, nothing more.

Face it, Trendy -- the vast majority of FZ's songs are superb, but there are a few clunkers here and there.

I just thought of one that I actively despise: "Luigi and the Wise Guys". Why? The lyrics are incredibly childish and way beneath FZ's talent. "You are a double-dork" ? Ouch.

But I do enjoy "Jazz Discharge Party Hats", as it contains one of my favorite lines: "So long as it doesn't cause a murder."

What's the ugliest part of this forum? Fanatical protectionism.

BTW, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus_Andr ... Reputation

Even ol' Billy S. is not above like and dislike.

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BBP wrote:
calvin2hikers wrote:
I like a lot of the songs mentioned so far. But one man's meat is another man's poi, son.


You're not badmouthing poi, are you Cal?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YKH9astmPs


Well, I wasn't, but after seeing that, I am now!

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buffalo_voice wrote:
Mr_Green_Genes wrote:
3'44'' (John Cage)
Zappa was bad only when he was silent...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E
It's even 4'33! :)
Mr_Green_Genes wrote:
Hum... that explains why it wasn't showing up on my searches... :oops:
Did you enjoy the performance?
Actually, I was humming along with it! :)

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Which? That picking your nose can bring you fame and stardom? :wink:

No, it's the minchia-ness of the tanta I can easily relate to [CHEEEEZ! :P]


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zomby truth wrote:
To stay on topic, the one song that never excites me is "If Only She Woulda." Purely there for a segue and not that musically interesting, to me at least.

I used to dislike it until I realized what a great Doors parody it is. The guitar solo isn't too shabby either.


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The Dangerous Kitchen is another one I never really cared for.......or any of the stuff he did in that style.....including when he did the verse of Torture Never Stops that way.

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madcow1515 wrote:
zomby truth wrote:
To stay on topic, the one song that never excites me is "If Only She Woulda." Purely there for a segue and not that musically interesting, to me at least.

I used to dislike it until I realized what a great Doors parody it is. The guitar solo isn't too shabby either.

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Did you ever hear of a song writer Rod Argent.
She's Not There - The Zombies

Frank Zappa - If Only She Woulda (1/2) - 1980 PARIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TccbQt7KWeQ

Frank Zappa - If Only She Woulda (1/2) - 1980 PARIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQLt-CorLo4

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The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
Just curious if the people who hate Massimo have seen Video From Hell?

Yes. Doesn't help one bit.

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Trendmonger wrote:
madcow1515 wrote:
zomby truth wrote:
To stay on topic, the one song that never excites me is "If Only She Woulda." Purely there for a segue and not that musically interesting, to me at least.

I used to dislike it until I realized what a great Doors parody it is. The guitar solo isn't too shabby either.

Don't Stop There. Here is some Zomby Truth for ya.
Did you ever hear of a song writer Rod Argent.
She's Not There - The Zombies

Frank Zappa - If Only She Woulda (1/2) - 1980 PARIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TccbQt7KWeQ

Frank Zappa - If Only She Woulda (1/2) - 1980 PARIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQLt-CorLo4

I think Frank may have heard the Santana rendition as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRtN3rSXcFE

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AGuyWithAWrench wrote:
The Dangerous Kitchen is another one I never really cared for.......or any of the stuff he did in that style.....including when he did the verse of Torture Never Stops that way.


I always enjoy "The Dangerous Kitchen" and generally enjoy FZ's Sprechstimme/ Meltdown vocals, which remind me of free jazz phrasing similar to Albert Ayler or Keith Tippett.

Oh, and here's some critical analysis for certain forum members to cream over: http://www.squeakyproductions.co.uk/13.html

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FalseDichotomy wrote:
AGuyWithAWrench wrote:
The Dangerous Kitchen is another one I never really cared for.......or any of the stuff he did in that style.....including when he did the verse of Torture Never Stops that way.


I always enjoy "The Dangerous Kitchen" and generally enjoy FZ's Sprechstimme/ Meltdown vocals ...


Yep, especially in case of "The Dangerous Kitchen", where FZ's Sprechstimme fits with the basslines perfectly. Great song.

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FalseDichotomy wrote:
AGuyWithAWrench wrote:
The Dangerous Kitchen is another one I never really cared for.......or any of the stuff he did in that style.....including when he did the verse of Torture Never Stops that way.


I always enjoy "The Dangerous Kitchen" and generally enjoy FZ's Sprechstimme/ Meltdown vocals, which remind me of free jazz phrasing similar to Albert Ayler or Keith Tippett.

Oh, and here's some critical analysis for certain forum members to cream over: http://www.squeakyproductions.co.uk/13.html


Wow. That's um....a bit much.

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The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
Just curious if the people who hate Massimo have seen Video From Hell?
HJ wrote:
Yes. Doesn't help one bit.

I don't hate massimo... but, anyway, I agree with hj.

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