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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:48 am 
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Yeah, I dunno of a specific Styx song. Just the bombastic, wanna-be-epic martiality of it.
The outro of 'Lady' was one I thought of too, but I got stuck on the 'Bolero' rhythm of that, which is not what 'Flakes' does at all. It's pedestrian/martial step is just right for my tastes. So funny. And the swooping-whine of the geetar - hahahhahaha.

Yeah lots of '70's stuff to make fun of.
Boston's 'More Than A Feeling' sounds like Louie Louie with an extra note... and lots of metallic guitar all over it:
'dit-dit-dit
dit-dit
dit-dit-dit
dit-dit'
>repeat<

Worst tune that FZ released?

The Clap

nothing against Aynsley Dunbar...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:22 am 
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the clap was all zappa!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:28 am 
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yes, and devoid of a tune that I can hear, unlike Messer Dunbar a lot of the time and other things that I've heard Frank do with percussion...
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manichispanic wrote:
the clap was all zappa!


Bratwurst

These Best and Worst Podiums are as preposterous as ever.
There has been some fairly interesting dialog on some compositions here
and it's a shame at times it all revolves around Best & Worst Ideologies
of modern pinpointed worthlessness.
Eat The Truck & Driver & His Gloves

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Trendmonger wrote:
These Best and Worst Podiums are as preposterous as ever.


preposterous -- adj. Contrary to nature, reason, or common sense.

It's human nature to rank items according to like and dislike. Why do you think we have so many museums and award shows? We all have preferences and enjoy comparing/contrasting them with those of other people.

It's fine if you don't like Best/Worst lists, but choose another adjective, because you are way off the mark with the one you're currently abusing ad infinitum.

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Trendmonger wrote:
manichispanic wrote:
the clap was all zappa!


Bratwurst

These Best and Worst Podiums are as preposterous as ever.
There has been some fairly interesting dialog on some compositions here
and it's a shame at times it all revolves around Best & Worst Ideologies
of modern pinpointed worthlessness.
Eat The Truck & Driver & His Gloves



Sorry to disappoint you.
I had thought of a starting a thread discussing Captain Beefheart's
harmonica solo on Bongo Fury or one about Sleep Dirt, Orchestral Favourites and Studio Tan
as unusual releases, but since I am a dedicated Zappa music fan, but don't like
some of his tunes, I thought it might be more interesting to know what other tunes
people don't enjoy from his released catalogue.


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Sex, Stick Together, Jazz Discharge Party Hats, Luigi and the Wise Guys, Tengo Na Minchia Tanta, Valley Girl

Briefcase Boogie is really disturbing I think, not the worst, just disturbing...

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Briefcase Boogie is really disturbing I think, not the worst, just disturbing...
Wait till you see it in Hustler - ... :)

thing-fish


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Sex is a funny song. Maybe YOU could use a protein surprise

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Sorry, I did an edit - it must read thing HYPHEN fish, of course...Good God, that's inexcusable 8)

Could be used for erotic gratification


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Joel Osteen wrote:
Sex is a funny song. Maybe YOU could use a protein surprise



To each his or her own... I'll stick with Stick It Out and some others...

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"Charva" :P


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r_a_Z_Z wrote:
"Charva" :P


Oh come on!
Charva is great fun-I used to play it for my dad and even he smirked!

'Cocaine Decisions' always bored the shit out of me. Dull music.


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Quilt wrote:
r_a_Z_Z wrote:
"Charva" :P


Oh come on!
Charva is great fun-I used to play it for my dad and even he smirked!

'Cocaine Decisions' always bored the shit out of me. Dull music.


Agreed about Cocaine Decisions... Nothing really going on, but Charva is fucking great!

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FalseDichotomy wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:
These Best and Worst Podiums are as preposterous as ever.


preposterous -- adj. Contrary to nature, reason, or common sense.

It's human nature to rank items according to like and dislike. Why do you think we have so many museums and award shows? We all have preferences and enjoy comparing/contrasting them with those of other people.

It's fine if you don't like Best/Worst lists, but choose another adjective, because you are way off the mark with the one you're currently abusing ad infinitum.

It's human nature to act like a bunch of pedestrians or dilate their mind beyond what the majority walk the beat to.
I have always thought Zappa fans were a bit more intellectual
than the pedestrian view of looking at or ranking art in some best and worse ideology.

I was interviewed by MTV on 10/31/81 for a promo spot for the Zappa Halloween Show.
They had asked me what my favorite song was and if I thought FZ would play it that night.
I told them that Zappa fans did not come to hear favorite songs but that I could sing them one.
I sung & conducted a gathering of NYC finest crazy type persons to the German Verse of Stick It Out.

Now that is one example of how art affects Zappa fans.
100 Zappa fanatics under the marquee of the Palladium singing Stick It Out.
Far more of an artistic statement than some list of best and worse.

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evitageN wrote:
Quilt wrote:
r_a_Z_Z wrote:
"Charva" :P


Oh come on!
Charva is great fun-I used to play it for my dad and even he smirked!

'Cocaine Decisions' always bored the shit out of me. Dull music.


Agreed about Cocaine Decisions... Nothing really going on, but Charva is fucking great!

Yeah, I've never been big on Cocaine Decisions either. The "I don't want to know..." part is kind of catchy, but the rest is pretty dull. It's way too sterile sounding to even work as a typical blues song for me, and I've always hated that squeaky 80s harmonica sound.


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Trendmonger wrote:
I have always thought Zappa fans were a bit more intellectual than the pedestrian view of looking at or ranking art in some best and worse ideology.

Must be a real disappointment to you to find out Zappa fans are just plain folks who merely dance to a different drummer (or composer/guitarist) than most.

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just plain doug wrote:
Must be a real disappointment to you to find out Zappa fans are just plain folks
who merely dance to a different drummer (or composer/guitarist) than most.


Remember I have been listening to Zappa since 1967.
I have had my share of intellectual conversations with many Zappa fans over the years
and the dialog time and time again was how FZ was years ahead of his time
that and he was a composer more so than the Best Rock Category.
It was not until all these school yard games at this newsgroup came about
that brought out this best and worse ideology crap.

Even if you look at ARF The Home Of Frank Zappa Heritage Studies.
Not that I take out some blanket of where I agree or disagree with any comment on any particular song
but when you go through all the dialog that people E-Mail in and what gets chosen to be used the
dialog has little to nothing to do with Best & Worse. Does the editor there have an agenda to dissolve any such commentary or
is it just that the people who wrote and the editor is a bit more intellectual than boxing the art into best and worse lists.

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Must be just your neighbourhood. I've been buying Zappa's output since 1971, and most of the fans I've met are no different (apart from musical likes) than everybody else. I say most, because some were rather...odd (if not downright scary).

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Tra la la turn it off. I don't like this style anyway. I'm pretty sure I remember this used to make me laugh but the joke wore a bit thin on me a long time ago (unlike Billy The Mountain which has been making me giggle for donkeys).

Hey Trendmonger, I appreciate what your saying and I'm not saying The Jazz Discharge Party Hats is a BAD song, it's just that it doesn't do it for me and here's an opportunity for me to say so to people who recognise what the hell I'm talking about. Now be honest, when you have had a hard, stressful day at work and you pop on a Zappa record and plop down in a comfy armchair, which song/tune more than any other will wrench you out of that comfort to make you move that needle??

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Hey Trendy, if you are so opposed to so-called best/worst ideologies, then why were you so happy when ZPZ won a Grammy?

And I agree with Doug. There are all kinds of Zappa fans: hardcore, casual, smart, dumb, sensitive, boorish, friendly, and some I've met who are just plain assholes. Just because FZ was a genius doesn't mean that all of his fans are too.

FZ was anti-academia, anyway, so why place so much emphasis on so-called "critical analysis"? He called what he did "entertainment" for a reason. FZ knew the score. Enjoy it or don't -- no big deal.

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That's only a matter of personal taste but there are parts of the melody lines in THE RADIO IS BROKEN and
SHIP ARRIVING TOO LATE i can't stand.
Very annoying for SATLTSTDW because I love it otherwise.
I haven't studied it but it may be some specific intervals i can't bear, maybe an accomplished musician from
this forum can figure it out.
I also get this disturbing feeling (but less so) listening to THE DANGEROUS KITCHEN.


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falsedichotomy wrote:
...FZ knew the score...
and fz would appreciate this topic, it reinforces the reasons why fz music is the best; many fz songs, if not all of them would wind up as someones worst and as someones best liked fz song, same with every fz album ... proof yet again that the hidden poster spewing negativity with every one of his replies is completely clueless about frank zappa music, doesn't get it, never has, never will ... after reading some of the choices listed on this thread, rather that thinking - how the fuck could anyone think x is the worst song - it makes me want to discuss the choice in more depth, who knows, could add some cc to the knowledge base ... zappa would shit all over the idea that anyone likes every song he ever wrote

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zappa would shit all over the idea that anyone likes every song he ever wrote[/color]


Very well said 8)

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