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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:36 pm 
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who sings this?, it can't be ray collins cause he wasn't on the album.
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I'm pretty sure that's Frank, with the vocals sped up a bit for effect.

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ah, ain't that the case for most of that lp?

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ah, ain't that the case for most of that lp?


yup.

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pygmy stallion wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's Frank, with the vocals sped up a bit for effect.


Just going from memory here, but it doesn't sound to me at all like the vocal was sped up on that track. It's definitely Frank's voice, easily recognizable, and the sound is simply recorded through a filtering device to make it sound like a telephone or tin can or something. Or EQ'd in mixing but I'd bet it was recorded that way.

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yeah, definately frank. whatever filtering device was used, i believe it was supposed to have the effect of listening to someone singing through a megaphone, circa the 20's.

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The voice does sound a bit thinner and more capable of reaching high notes than I would expect from FZ, even in 1967. IIRC, he said that he sped up his voice on some songs because the melodies were outside his range.


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The voice does sound a bit thinner and more capable of reaching high notes than I would expect from FZ, even in 1967. IIRC, he said that he sped up his voice on some songs because the melodies were outside his range.

Could be. Now that I think about it I remember those high notes on '...try to do no thinkin, just go on with your drinkin...' as being fairly high as you say.

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pygmy stallion wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's Frank, with the vocals sped up a bit for effect.

That's the only way it could be Frank in my opinion. Whoever it is the voice definitely sounds sped up and so do many of the instruments in the piece as well.

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polydigm wrote:
pygmy stallion wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's Frank, with the vocals sped up a bit for effect.

That's the only way it could be Frank in my opinion. Whoever it is the voice definitely sounds sped up and so do many of the instruments in the piece as well.

That sounds like a slight exaggeration to me, re:speed.
And it was VERY obvious it was Frank to me; I don't see how you guys don't recognize the voice so easily. (I'm really not trying to sound haughty or imply inferiority, please don't take offense)
PS I'd be listening on the phones to check the timbral quality re:speed
right now but one copy got stolen recently and the other is 150 miles away in storage.

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enggo_pah wrote:
polydigm wrote:
pygmy stallion wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's Frank, with the vocals sped up a bit for effect.

That's the only way it could be Frank in my opinion. Whoever it is the voice definitely sounds sped up and so do many of the instruments in the piece as well.

That sounds like a slight exaggeration to me, re:speed.
And it was VERY obvious it was Frank to me; I don't see how you guys don't recognize the voice so easily. (I'm really not trying to sound haughty or imply inferiority, please don't take offense)
PS I'd be listening on the phones to check the timbral quality re:speed
right now but one copy got stolen recently and the other is 150 miles away in storage.



It's the last guy in the band I imagined to have sung this, but if you guys say so...It's gotta have some sort of effect tho.


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It sounds like a black mans voice to me!

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In an interview from the period, Frank Zappa, in talking about the effects they put on tape and some of the things they were doing in general, specifically mentions literally taking styrofoam coffee cups and bust the bottom out and 'sing' thru those in order to get that 'Winchester Cathedral' kind of wheezliness . . . and this is precisely the 'sped up' or 'megaphone' effect y'all are talking about.

I'll try to find the interview but it'll only be something I can point you to, not exactly share it with anyone . . .

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enggo_pah wrote:
polydigm wrote:
pygmy stallion wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's Frank, with the vocals sped up a bit for effect.

That's the only way it could be Frank in my opinion. Whoever it is the voice definitely sounds sped up and so do many of the instruments in the piece as well.

That sounds like a slight exaggeration to me, re:speed.
And it was VERY obvious it was Frank to me; I don't see how you guys don't recognize the voice so easily. (I'm really not trying to sound haughty or imply inferiority, please don't take offense)
PS I'd be listening on the phones to check the timbral quality re:speed
right now but one copy got stolen recently and the other is 150 miles away in storage.

What do you mean exaggeration? I said sped up but not by how much. I was listening to Bow Tie Daddy as I wrote that response. Now it's not an exaggeration when I say it's very obvious that some instruments on the track are sped up but it is an exaggeration to say it's VERY obvious that it's FZ's voice. It's a reasonable assumption though and it probably is FZ.

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If it Not Zappa I go For Gary Kellgren Engineer who does the "Tomorrow what i may do"on hung up.or maybe Dick Kunc – "cheerful interruptions" vocal.what parts dick sings i dont know.

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hmmm, never in my life did I think that that was Frank singing "Bow Tie..."


and I guess I still don't...but I'll give it a close listen soon.


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polydigm wrote:
enggo_pah wrote:
polydigm wrote:
pygmy stallion wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's Frank, with the vocals sped up a bit for effect.

That's the only way it could be Frank in my opinion. Whoever it is the voice definitely sounds sped up and so do many of the instruments in the piece as well.

That sounds like a slight exaggeration to me, re:speed.
And it was VERY obvious it was Frank to me; I don't see how you guys don't recognize the voice so easily. (I'm really not trying to sound haughty or imply inferiority, please don't take offense)
PS I'd be listening on the phones to check the timbral quality re:speed
right now but one copy got stolen recently and the other is 150 miles away in storage.

What do you mean exaggeration? I said sped up but not by how much. I was listening to Bow Tie Daddy as I wrote that response. Now it's not an exaggeration when I say it's very obvious that some instruments on the track are sped up but it is an exaggeration to say it's VERY obvious that it's FZ's voice. It's a reasonable assumption though and it probably is FZ.


Well I was surprised here. It really is obviously FZ's voice to me. It's not an exaggeration if it's a perception of mine. It was the same with your statement though so I apologize.

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effects aside, it's obvious that it's frank doing the lead vocals throught the whole album.

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pygmy stallion wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's Frank, with the vocals sped up a bit for effect.


Yeah, I thought Jimmy Carl Black sang "Who Needs The Peace Corps" until I found out that Frank sang it!


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enggo_pah wrote:
polydigm wrote:
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polydigm wrote:
pygmy stallion wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's Frank, with the vocals sped up a bit for effect.

That's the only way it could be Frank in my opinion. Whoever it is the voice definitely sounds sped up and so do many of the instruments in the piece as well.

That sounds like a slight exaggeration to me, re:speed.
And it was VERY obvious it was Frank to me; I don't see how you guys don't recognize the voice so easily. (I'm really not trying to sound haughty or imply inferiority, please don't take offense)
PS I'd be listening on the phones to check the timbral quality re:speed
right now but one copy got stolen recently and the other is 150 miles away in storage.

What do you mean exaggeration? I said sped up but not by how much. I was listening to Bow Tie Daddy as I wrote that response. Now it's not an exaggeration when I say it's very obvious that some instruments on the track are sped up but it is an exaggeration to say it's VERY obvious that it's FZ's voice. It's a reasonable assumption though and it probably is FZ.


Well I was surprised here. It really is obviously FZ's voice to me. It's not an exaggeration if it's a perception of mine. It was the same with your statement though so I apologize.

Apology accepted, although it's not so serious that you need to apologise. I guess I just identify with Zappa's low frequency range and when that is modified it takes the usual familiar character away. Have you had a chance to listen to it again? Can you hear that various instrument tracks are sped up?

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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
effects aside, it's obvious that it's frank doing the lead vocals throught the whole album.


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What about Roy Estrada? Does he do any lead vocals on WOIIFTM, or just backup?


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Vader9 wrote:
pygmy stallion wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's Frank, with the vocals sped up a bit for effect.


Yeah, I thought Jimmy Carl Black sang "Who Needs The Peace Corps" until I found out that Frank sang it!


To me, Who Need the Peace Corps was one of the few tracks that really sound like him.

Bow Tie Daddy I'm surprised though.


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