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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:29 am 
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Like where he has had Band members from different era's overdub.
Drum and bass on 1984 woiftm for instance.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:22 pm 
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Well, fortunately, he didn't.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:16 pm 
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What are you talking about Didn't he did use 1984 Drum and Bass ON 60s album.

Maybe you need too click on there and read the first sentence.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:14 am 
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But not on Freak Out.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:55 am 
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Where if Freak out Mentioned :roll:

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The Old Masters
Musician Credits

This was the first release of the often very infamous '80s remixes with overdubs of albums such as We're Only In It for the Money and Cruising with Ruben & the Jets, which were even more controversial when they were re-released on CD and the original musicians were still credited, even though the tracks they recorded had been completely deleted, and the new musicians weren't credited, and it was indeed not at all indicated that any overdubs had taken place. But in the Old Masters box one (from Biffy the Elephant Shrew),

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:14 pm 
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Freak Out is his first album. Not sure what you're trying to say or ask here...?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:22 pm 
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pbuzby wrote:
Freak Out is his first album. Not sure what you're trying to say or ask here...?

FREAK OUT yes is first but not with OVERDUBS,what i ask is up above there :mrgreen:

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I think he's saying recordings that Frank eventually overdubbed with different musicians years after the original recording.

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Yeah, I guess he meant 'FZ first Albums with Later Overdubs', meaning WOIIFTM and Ruben...

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Green your a little late with the answer 8)

So it was 1985 On lp,before CD 8)

So he was not the first at doing that earliest i seen is Alan douglas Overdubbed Hendrix 1974/1975 :wink:

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cleon wrote:
Like where he has had Band members from different era's overdub.

Apostrophe' album, on at least Excentrifugal Forz and Stink-Foot

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Bill wrote:
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Like where he has had Band members from different era's overdub.

Apostrophe' album, on at least Excentrifugal Forz and Stink-Foot
Around the same time as Douglas did Hendrix LPs.
There is no proof that those songs on Apostrophe are as it says on IINK site "Probably"

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:21 am 
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cleon wrote:
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Like where he has had Band members from different era's overdub.

Apostrophe' album, on at least Excentrifugal Forz and Stink-Foot
Around the same time as Douglas did Hendrix LPs.
There is no proof that those songs on Apostrophe are as it says on IINK site "Probably"


John Guerin mentioned in an interview that FZ gave him a gold record for a record he didn't know he had played on. FZ explained that he took an old Guerin drum track and wrote a song around it. This must have been "Excentrifugal Forz" since the track has Guerin's drum style and this is the only post-1970 Zappa album where he appears.

I don't know the "Stinkfoot" story offhand but it was likely a similar one.

Of course, Zappa himself decided to do all this so it is hardly equivalent to Douglas and Hendrix.


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Of course, Zappa himself decided to do all this so it is hardly equivalent to Douglas and Hendrix.


IS IT :D

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Dump :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:50 am 
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Lest we forget "Thing Fish" album.

That LP contained a fair bit of previously released material, which were updated by Ike Willis' potato-head accent as well as new drum tracks by Chad Wackerman. And it was all done roughly around the same era as the Wackermanizing of Money/Ruben. But Thing Fish was released in 1984, that was before the Old Masters box (1985) as well as the WOIIFTM first CD edition (86-ish?). So Thing Fish might be the very first released FZ product that contains radically remixed material from older albums.

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And we have the other way around (new music with old recordings injected in the mix) with "Ya Hozna" on "Them or us": A large part of the vocals are the voices taken out of "Sofa 2" (from "One size fits all") and played backwards. And the same can be said of all the guitar solos on "Joe's Garage" (the famous "Ampex Guitar" :o ): previously recorded guitar solos are placed upon new backing tracks.

And to be on-topic, let's not forget "Civilization Phaze III", where the piano people recorded in 1967 are "decorated" with Synclavier music from the 90s.

And there is also "The Grand Wazoo" on "Lost episodes", with the voice of Captain Beefheart.

And.... ;)


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:49 am 
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I think i got it figgerd

Over dubbing
xenochrony
Sampling
They all go together seems like i found out the hardway :mrgreen:

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cleon wrote:
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And we have the other way around (new music with old recordings injected in the mix) with "Ya Hozna" on "Them or us": A large part of the vocals are the voices taken out of "Sofa 2" (from "One size fits all") and played backwards.


Also, If I'm not mistaken, "Planet Of My Dreams" is Hunchentoot outtake from 70s with overdubbed vocals and drums
And don't forget The Man From Utopia - on the CD version, drum, bass and another overdubs are present


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And we have the other way around (new music with old recordings injected in the mix) with "Ya Hozna" on "Them or us": A large part of the vocals are the voices taken out of "Sofa 2" (from "One size fits all") and played backwards.


Also, If I'm not mistaken, "Planet Of My Dreams" is Hunchentoot outtake from 70s with overdubbed vocals and drums


"Lemme Take You To The Beach" has a backing track probably from the Hot Rats or Chunga's sessions with 1976 overdubs.


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