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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:00 am 
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Synclavier vs Real Musicians - YOU decide!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfvSsu_fvbk


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:49 pm 
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IrishBoris wrote:
Synclavier vs Real Musicians - YOU decide!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfvSsu_fvbk

Excellent one, thank you!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:56 pm 
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What about some Mathematically correctness,and variety.moowaaa

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Just got this in an email! I'm stoked!

Dear Sir:

I represent the government of Nigeria. Recently a relative of yours passed away and left behind an estate of 1,000,000 US dollars.

Well, I can't tell you the rest because you'd all want to barge in. Suffice it to say I'm going to be rich, suckers!


You lucky, lucky Bastard!

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Got mine yesterday.
I'm very glad, all is very nice.

By the way, what "Resister to vote" would mean?

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Got mine too (at bleedin' last)... Why does the spoon turn into a knife? These are the questions we neeed answered people!


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ZackGlickman wrote:
Got mine yesterday.
I'm very glad, all is very nice.

By the way, what "Resister to vote" would mean?


Oops, typo -- good catch.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:41 am 
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FalseDichotomy wrote:
ZackGlickman wrote:
Got mine yesterday.
I'm very glad, all is very nice.

By the way, what "Resister to vote" would mean?


Oops, typo -- good catch.



that transcends a typo. it should be used for all time.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:18 pm 
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A good record. Later I will find out if I think the long versions are better than the shorter ones, or not.

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IrishBoris wrote:
Got mine too (at bleedin' last)... Why does the spoon turn into a knife? These are the questions we neeed answered people!


Ask Gail. questions@zappa.com

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:39 pm 
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Just like CP3, this release sounds excellent in Dolby Pro Logic II Music mode on good 5.1 systems.


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Soracha wrote:

That sounds like a dare!


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IrishBoris wrote:
Soracha wrote:

That sounds like a dare!

You Betcha!

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Soracha wrote:
IrishBoris wrote:
Soracha wrote:

That sounds like a dare!

You Betcha!

You Betcha twice! :mrgreen:

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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
Soracha wrote:
IrishBoris wrote:
That sounds like a dare!

You Betcha!

You Betcha twice! :mrgreen:

Right! Right, then... (wipes beads of sweat from forehead) I will, then! Right. Okay, then! You see if I don't! :|


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Good album! As always, Frank's Synclavier work is highly inspirational to me.

As an aside, as I was reading through the thread I noticed a certain person saying certain things that I wanted to address. I don't know if this topic of conversation was resolved or not (probably not, knowing the person in question), but I'd just like to say that wanting to know what you're paying for is not disrespectful, it's common sense. As usual, thanks to Gail's bizarre marketing tactics I had to wait until the album had been out for about a month just to find out what I'd be getting if I ordered the CD.

Also, free sharing of material that isn't officially published does not decrease sales, you can't decrease sales of something that was never on sale to begin with.

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Also, free sharing of material that isn't officially published does not decrease sales, you can't decrease sales of something that was never on sale to begin with.

Tell it to the judge :twisted:


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Please explain what you think a lever is. I never quite understand your metaphorical use of that word. Thanks.


It is from a live Frank Zappa performance of Packard Goose.
""Music Is The Best!....However Denied, Whenever It's Tried, A Lever Is Never Forever" - FZ

To my knowledge the first time he ended Packard Goose that way was at a Palladium Holloween show which i was at (and recorded). To me it makes sense if you change 'lever' to 'lover'.


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Crudblud wrote:
...wanting to know what you're paying for is not disrespectful, it's common sense. As usual, thanks to Gail's bizarre marketing tactics I had to wait until the album had been out for about a month just to find out what I'd be getting if I ordered the CD.

Also, free sharing of material that isn't officially published does not decrease sales, you can't decrease sales of something that was never on sale to begin with.


+1

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Crudblud wrote:
... it's common sense. As usual, thanks to Gail's bizarre marketing tactics I had to wait until the album had been out for about a month just to find out what I'd be getting if I ordered the CD.


That should say, it took me a month to realize that the tracklist was posted at z.com on the day of release.


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OK, I know most people have left this post for Carnegie - BUT... after most speculation, Monkies is a tough piece to get into - naturally, because I was approaching it as a piece of music, which, while it musically based, it is more musically PLACED. It is not standard music(no shit), but it is rather a place to dwell. This is geographical music. It puts you in a place, an environment, very same concept as Eno's ambient pieces, solitude, pleasant waves a quite airy existence on the shore of an uncharted wilderness - . FZ's is a much darker place to inhabit, (which is what you do with this type of sound) you are more deep in the jungle now, where though the environment may be peaceful in a way, there are still the things that bite, bother, and maybe eat you. Someone made a comment "hum me a piece off of this!" - When you explore the woods, or the city, and sit and listen, ya can't hum that either, but you are definitely put in a place where there is a rhythm, a sound, a pace, a feeling of space and place. This is environmental music - don't know where, not as easily defined as Lex Baxter, but this is a PLACE to exist - much more sinister and intimidating than Eno, but I believe this is the same concept, much like CPIII was. I could easily see FZ doing "sounds" for art installations, and museum's ambient exhibits if he were still around (Geez, if he could have done the recent Tut tour). GZ gave us heavy piece of heavy tough dry meat before a slathering of sweet extra helpings dessert (Carnegie).
Sound like Thanksgiving?
Nice concept Gail! Or am I full-a-turkey-based-baloney?


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I think Frank was into "sound" as much as "music."
He does seem to create "aural landscapes" when composing on the synclavier.
Sometimes I can't tell when his "experimenting" ends and when he's developing a
musical moteif.

The "dada" side of his brain really kicks-in when using the synclavier.
There have been others who compose similarly (Carl Stalling comes to mind)
But Frank always seems to go further...

Just look at how he assimilated Stravinsky and rhythm.
He took it farther than even Stravinsky did.
Same with the "vertical" pitch compositions of Varese.
Once assimilated Frank went beyond.

This is why Zappa should be rightly known as the greatest American composer of the 20th century.
(except perhaps fpr Elliot Carter)


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brainpang wrote:
Crudblud wrote:
... it's common sense. As usual, thanks to Gail's bizarre marketing tactics I had to wait until the album had been out for about a month just to find out what I'd be getting if I ordered the CD.


That should say, it took me a month to realize that the tracklist was posted at z.com on the day of release.


Good point - but I had read that as he meant the pre-order had been established for a month...

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OK, I know most people have left this post for Carnegie - BUT... after most speculation, Monkies is a tough piece to get into - naturally, because I was approaching it as a piece of music, which, while it musically based, it is more musically PLACED. It is not standard music(no shit), but it is rather a place to dwell. This is geographical music. It puts you in a place, an environment, very same concept as Eno's ambient pieces, solitude, pleasant waves a quite airy existence on the shore of an uncharted wilderness - . FZ's is a much darker place to inhabit, (which is what you do with this type of sound) you are more deep in the jungle now, where though the environment may be peaceful in a way, there are still the things that bite, bother, and maybe eat you. Someone made a comment "hum me a piece off of this!" - When you explore the woods, or the city, and sit and listen, ya can't hum that either, but you are definitely put in a place where there is a rhythm, a sound, a pace, a feeling of space and place. This is environmental music - don't know where, not as easily defined as Lex Baxter, but this is a PLACE to exist - much more sinister and intimidating than Eno, but I believe this is the same concept, much like CPIII was. I could easily see FZ doing "sounds" for art installations, and museum's ambient exhibits if he were still around (Geez, if he could have done the recent Tut tour). GZ gave us heavy piece of heavy tough dry meat before a slathering of sweet extra helpings dessert (Carnegie).
Sound like Thanksgiving?
Nice concept Gail! Or am I full-a-turkey-based-baloney?


Great analysis!
This is the way I see much of FZ's synclavier music also. It's more about mood and environment than specific melodies and harmonies.

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