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 Post subject: Inca Roads Solo
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:37 pm 
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Hello. I was learning the solo from Inca Roads (the One Size Fits All version) by ear, and I got caught on a snag about 1/8th the way through. I was wondering if anyone knew where I can find the solo written out. Or atleast, the key changes in the solo. Thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:21 pm 
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Ask Steve Vie, I'm sure he's got it scribbled down somewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:48 pm 
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The One Size Fits All guitar songbook was just released from Hal Leonard. I ordered mine from amazon last night.


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 Post subject: re: inca roads solo[s]
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:38 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:55 am 
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Well, the Guitar book contains quite a bit of SU&PYG solos doesn't it? Yes, five of them come from "Inca Roads", but they're all 1979 versions, I guess the harmonic backdrop is still about the same, but if you specifically wanted to learn the OSFA solo, then I guess the OSFA songbook mentioned above would be your best bet. Then there's always the tried and true method of slowing down the recording and working out the solo slowly but surely itself. In the old days it was like the variation of speed on the vinyl (or tape) player, but now you can just take an audio file and mess around with Audacity or some other wave edit program.

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:10 am 
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Song is in the key of G,1f sharp the vamp C chord then D chord.the solo is 3.36 seconds so 1/8 would be 19.5 seconds,if was 30 seconds you was stuck it would be Hammer on with the pick,there is a interview around on the web 1977 guitar player called OSFA and Zappa says so.

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found this tab and write up from mag By Andy aledort the transcriber for HR and ! books.
http://www.afka.net/images/Magazines/19 ... 4%2013.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:53 pm 
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Look around for the solo on midi sites with Frank's music. I've seen some pretty good ones.......

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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It more easy too just loop C and D vamp together. 8)
There is a key change key of F,4 flats b,e,a,d,.

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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tjfar67 wrote:
http://barfkoswill.shop.musictoday.com/Product.aspx?cp=971_47477&pc=ZPAM27BOOK

Do it have The flat KEY I cant see from there.

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:24 pm 
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I think they have it in F flat.

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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tjfar67 wrote:
I think they have it in F flat.

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no its in E

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:07 am 
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The OSFA version at least, is in G Major if you have to pick a traditional key, but Zappa's doing it in C Lydian, that is, following the G Major scale but emphasising the root on the fourth step, which is C. End of theory lesson.

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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I said it is in Key of G
keep listing though and no way is it Key of G around 6.40min

With key of G or E There be a F#
No way is there need for the F# after key change.

Get your books back out 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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I'm not saying the whole of Inca Roads is in G Major Mr Pernickety Cleon. When I say I'm a composer I'm not big noting myself, just pointing out that I've spent a significant percentage of my life studying music in the way recommended by FZ, I bought my own books and used the library and basically taught myself. But, when I comment on stuff here I don't harp on about it.

The guy is enquiring about the solo which is over a C Lydian or D Mixolydian vamp, so I restricted myself to talking about that. Even there, Zappa throws in the odd off scale note.

If you're going to question my grasp of the piece, the opening song is over a C root, but even that is not all C Lydian. The harmony goes all over the place. For example, there's a section where you can play a C Major chord followed by an Ab Major chord with C in the bass. On a guitar, just try strumming on the middle four strings C E G C and C Eb Ab C alternately back and fourth just to get some of the feel of the opening. The "was" in "or was it something diff ' rent" is on an F natural not an F#. The "vehicle to land" at the end of the song part is Eb Db C. Also, the seriously fast Inca Riff supported by Ruth's skill on tuned percussion is clearly not in G Major.

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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Yeah it says in my link :roll: that in a key there be Start here and start there still in the same key waster of time.

Like you said " Zappa throws in the odd off scale note"Ghost notes i call them that is what i concentrate on other than a scale which be in a musical key anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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I can see now where your gone Wrong your trying to play the Voice of the singer on a instrument bad move :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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cleon wrote:
I can see now where your gone Wrong your trying to play the Voice of the singer on a instrument bad move :wink:
I have a feeling I'm going to regret this, but what are you talking about?

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Yeah right :P

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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cleon wrote:
Yeah right :P
I was asking you to be specific. You said I'd gone wrong. Where is it that you think I've gone wrong? (I know - answering this post)

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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What I said that is what I mean your not really that thick are you,you just a asshole,take this thread for instance,you post stuff that's already been posted then start calling me names then start going on about you can't understand my post,yeah Fuck you too you patronizing pathetic piece of shit.

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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cleon wrote:
What I said that is what I mean your not really that thick are you,you just a asshole,take this thread for instance,you post stuff that's allready been posted then start calling me names then start going on about you can't understand my post,yeah Fuck you too you patronizing pathetic piece of shit.
My first post in this thread had nothing to do with you. I responded after seeing two other posters mentioning other keys and I chimed in just in case without even reading back the rest of the thread and without casting abuse at anyone. You replied with "Get your books back out", so then I called you pernickety (heavy duty abuse I suppose :roll: ), other than that the rest of that post had no abuse in it at all. Then you tell me I've gone wrong and again, without abuse, I asked where. You're still not telling me where and now I'm "a asshole" and a "patronizing pathetic piece of shit". I'm not the one being abusive.

You are one of the reasons I sometimes stay away from what would otherwise be some of the most interesting threads to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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What I said that is what I mean your not really that thick are you,you just a asshole,take this thread for instance,you post stuff that's allready been posted then start calling me names then start going on about you can't understand my post,yeah Fuck you too you patronizing pathetic piece of shit.
My first post in this thread had nothing to do with you. I responded after seeing two other posters mentioning other keys and I chimed in just in case without even reading back the rest of the thread and without casting abuse at anyone. You replied with "Get your books back out", so then I called you pernickety (heavy duty abuse I suppose :roll: ), other than that the rest of that post had no abuse in it at all. Then you tell me I've gone wrong and again, without abuse, I asked where. You're still not telling me where and now I'm "a asshole" and a "patronizing pathetic piece of shit". I'm not the one being abusive.

You are one of the reasons I sometimes stay away from what would otherwise be some of the most interesting threads to me.

Yeah i can see what happened there you go again Mr know it all :smoke:

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 Post subject: Re: Inca Roads Solo
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So your telling me that you have never seen heard or done,lets slow it down so you may understand.When somebody pick up a musical instrument plays a note scale or key then with their voice try and control so they voice or maybe the playing of the instrument to get them in harmony.Which is fine though playing a song and the musical instrument is not supposed too be in harmony with the voice is Crap and that is what you said too do :smoke:

Maybe you haven't by the looks of things.

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