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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:45 am 
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FZ paid for the recording of BCP (or at least that was the legal conclusion) so the ZFT owns the rights, just as to my knowledge Buddah owns Safe As Milk and Virgin owns Doc At The Radar Station.

On all of those, though, publishing royalties would go to Van Vliet or his estate since he wrote the tunes, unless perhaps he made a foolish deal signing them over to someone else.

Don't know about Flo & Eddie making money from CH, although the ZFT went to the trouble to identify the composers of all songs performed by the Persuasions so they would presumably get paid, and "Magdalena" and possibly some other tracks have writing credits for others besides FZ.


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I am in the same court as Johnnycat on this. I know the whole sordid (the late Mr. Cohen being the "sordid" element in this story) story behind the diverted FZ royalties that went into funding the production and, yes, if it all went down as FZ described it, then absolutely the ZFT should be (if not 100%) entitled to much of the publishing royaltyies and have the right to release the material. Believe me, I am quite happy to see that the album is finally coming out because I've always found the remake (SB) to be pale imitation of BCP (but enjoyable nevertheless). I just feel, like many, that Don has been shafted over the past 45 years (and yes, I know a lot of it was due to a combination of his: probable naivity; trust in people who turned out to be unscrupulous; bad leegal advice, etc.) and I just want to see that Don's estate receives restitution for his music, where feasible.

Now, Mrs. Vliet has every right to tell me to STFU and mind my own business, since I certainly do not speak for her. But I have always had a very private concern regarding this man's well being (and I do realize that his art now sells for big $ so this whole argument may be moot since the music $ coming in probably pale in comparison to the art earnings over the past 15 years).
This is off topic, but as an example, I cite a friend of mine who now lives out west who had copies of many of Syd Barrett's outtakes, prior to their becoming common bootleg fodder in the mid 80's. He was VERY protective of them and when he did make copies for only the most trustworthy hardcore Syd fan's, he made sure that they sent money (as he did) to Syd's mother so that Syd recieved SOME renumeration and insisted that each generation ower do the same. These recordings eventually became the album "Opel".
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:13 am 
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January 12, should be shipping in a few days!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:37 am 
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word is that it is, rightfully so, the dvv/mcnabb mix properly mastered.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:22 pm 
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Delayed. Wonderful.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:24 pm 
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AAAAAAAAAARRRGG!!!
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Delayed. Wonderful.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:20 pm 
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yeah, for those that didn't get the email:

listmaster@zappa.com wrote:
Dear Friends,

Thank you very much for ordering Captain Beefheart's Bat Chain Puller!

This is to let you know that the manufacturing of this release has been delayed. We hope to be shipping the week of 13 February (maybe sooner). We are really looking forward to you having this wonderment in your anxious ears!

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the barfies


bummer!:(


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:11 pm 
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i ordered this and carnegie together a few days ago. hopefully they'll ship me the latter while i wait a month for this one


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:19 pm 
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I'm not ordering this (because I don't like Beefheart's music that much). Why can't they release something on the original release date? Sure, it's usually not that much longer, but if I recall correctly, it's happening with much more frequency. This one, Carnegie Hall, Monkies.....I'm just confused why they don't wait until the product is finished.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:02 pm 
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calvin2hikers wrote:
I'm not ordering this (because I don't like Beefheart's music that much). Why can't they release something on the original release date? Sure, it's usually not that much longer, but if I recall correctly, it's happening with much more frequency. This one, Carnegie Hall, Monkies.....I'm just confused why they don't wait until the product is finished.


I'm not a Beefheart fan either, so I didn't order this and I'm not feeling the pain of the delay. However, supplier/manufacturer delays seem to be the norm during the great recession. I work for a space (and aerospace) company and suppliers have been habitually late over the last 2 years. Everyone promises on-time delivery, but they rarely deliver. I'm not an insider, but I assume that these issues are really out of ZFT's control.

"It's like the good books says, 'patience is a virgin'" Archie Bunker


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:36 am 
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Dark Clothes wrote:
just plain doug wrote:
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The suspense is killing me.

Killing you softly with his song?

Killing me softly through sunshine
Killing me softly through snow
Stealing my mind's eye through
Four seasons of the Greggerian calendar
And a barking pumpkin's eon of the Mayan
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While I do feel the suspense and pain of the delay, I think Norske's reasoning is sound and don't need to blame anyone. But I know that when this tasty little sucker arrives, I will heed Cabaret Voltaire's advice for the future - Expect Nothing!

Less retro, more now has to be the next phaze - I just need to get through Phaze 1 (full Zappa live shows) and 2 (Bat Chain Puller) first.

No more (or less) living in the past from now on!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:44 am 
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Got this email from listmaster@zappa.com on 15/01 at 09:02PM (UK time);

Dear Friends,

Thank you very much for ordering Captain Beefheart's Bat Chain Puller!

This is to let you know that the manufacturing of this release has been delayed. We hope to be shipping the week of 13 February (maybe sooner). We are really looking forward to you having this wonderment in your anxious ears!

xxx,

the barfies

:| :twisted: :mrgreen: :smoke:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:34 pm 
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Not surprised. :roll: Didn't pre-order. Not going to pay $26 for a single CD. Hopefully in a few months it'll be available at the regular retail shops like Amazon & CD Universe at a fairer price.


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To clarify, I wasn't looking to place blame, I was merely wondering why. The manufacturing explanation sounds like the answer.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:44 pm 
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NewJPage wrote:
i ordered this and carnegie together a few days ago. hopefully they'll ship me the latter while i wait a month for this one


So they said no. Wonderful. Leaving the country Feb. 8 and would have loved to have at least some of this music to bring with. Would have thought they'd help a guy out since they are delaying (again) a product. ugh.


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NewJPage wrote:
NewJPage wrote:
i ordered this and carnegie together a few days ago. hopefully they'll ship me the latter while i wait a month for this one


So they said no. Wonderful. Leaving the country Feb. 8 and would have loved to have at least some of this music to bring with. Would have thought they'd help a guy out since they are delaying (again) a product. ugh.


You don't own any of the rest of his music? :mrgreen: :wink:

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You don't own any of the rest of his music? :mrgreen: :wink:

Of course not. We're only renting it.

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Music Today really needs to get with the times. Internet sellers are more and more moving to free postage either carte blanche or with a certain spending minimum. I can get £25 of CDs or books from Amazon UK, which is a) not much money these days, b) buys me quite a lot and c) arrives free at my door within a very reasonable time given where it's coming from. I just bought a Maths book I need from Book Depository with free postage which was also at a discounted price and their delivery times are also impressive given the freeness.

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polydigm wrote:
Elliot Gould, in Getting Straight in 1970: "Stop holding back the hands of the clock, they'll rip your arms off!!"


Awesome line!
(Off-topic: worth seeing?)

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PenguinInBondage wrote:
polydigm wrote:
Elliot Gould, in Getting Straight in 1970: "Stop holding back the hands of the clock, they'll rip your arms off!!"
Awesome line! (Off-topic: worth seeing?)
I can barely remember it, but I enjoyed it at the time, although I will never forget that line. You'll find good info about it on Wikipedia.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:34 pm 
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umm. please?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:19 pm 
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So... um... any updates on this?


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and so....when is this coming out then?

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Skunky Woof wrote:
and so....when is this coming out then?


When the frosting is on the pumpkin. :wink:

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