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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:40 am 
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A whole new listening experience, fer sure. Astounding, really. Punch and depth in my room

And please, audiophile geeks, save it for the Zappa releases, alright? You are not worthy to listen to Beefheart!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:01 pm 
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And please, audiophile geeks, save it for the Zappa releases, alright? You are not worthy to listen to Beefheart!

Hahahahaha, hilarious! :)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:07 pm 
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FUCK :shock: I want this CD right now, I don't know if I can stand my ground any longer and protest Musictoday's assenine shipping rates. Maybe I'll give it a few more weeks and see if it's available at regular retail places that don't rob you on shipping. Just read some more reviews about it at zappateers and was almost drooling. Meanwhile I'm listening to a CD-R of the "Original BCP Sessions" What to do. :smoke:


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:12 pm 
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FUCK :shock: I want this CD right now, I don't know if I can stand my ground any longer and protest Musictoday's assenine shipping rates. Maybe I'll give it a few more weeks and see if it's available at regular retail places that don't rob you on shipping. Just read some more reviews about it at zappateers and was almost drooling. Meanwhile I'm listening to a CD-R of the "Original BCP Sessions" What to do. :smoke:


c'mon, dude! It's a Beefheart release, not another fucking Zappa thing. That guy has so many damn records, who needs another one?


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A post arriving too late to save a drowning thread. :roll:

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SIIIICK!!!!!! I love it!!!! Birck Baaaaaaatsss Brick Baaaaaatsss!!!

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Well, it's on the map. That is, if you check out a map of the earth and draw a rough line between California (where is MusicToday?) and Adelaide, my copy is somewhere close along that line. I could say getting closer by the day, but more than 95% of the journey takes place in a day, the other 13 days are spent fucking around.

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I need an unbiased opinion. I have Trout Mask Replica. There are some humorous nuggets on there but for the most part I find it obnoxious and unlistenable. It's cool, but just not my cup of tea. I do like CB's contributions on Bongo Fury. Is this album worth a try or should I just avoid the good cap'n? Is Trout Mask Replica a good representation of his 'catalog'?


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I need an unbiased opinion. I have Trout Mask Replica. There are some humorous nuggets on there but for the most part I find it obnoxious and unlistenable. It's cool, but just not my cup of tea. I do like CB's contributions on Bongo Fury. Is this album worth a try or should I just avoid the good cap'n? Is Trout Mask Replica a good representation of his 'catalog'?


I'd recommend starting with "Safe As Milk" or "London 1974" as good starting points for the Captain, personally. :smoke:

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I'm not a big beef heart fan, I prefer Tom Waits and then again I'm not a big Tom Waits fan either.

If you don't like Trout Mask, try Clear Spot, it's quite different, it's still the Captain but a lot more approachable.

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GreenHocher wrote:
I need an unbiased opinion. I have Trout Mask Replica. There are some humorous nuggets on there but for the most part I find it obnoxious and unlistenable. It's cool, but just not my cup of tea. I do like CB's contributions on Bongo Fury. Is this album worth a try or should I just avoid the good cap'n? Is Trout Mask Replica a good representation of his 'catalog'?



in my opinion, "safe as milk" is beefhearts best album. i really don't know why "troustmask" is the one people focus on, it's pretty much unlistenable, unless you're matt greoning

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I find that most Beefheart releases have some things I like and some things I find grating...I agree Safe as Milk and Clear Spot are the best through and through.

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Thanks for the info - I'll check those out.


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I'm not Matt Groening. I prefer the "obnoxious" Trout Mask material to the blues sound of Safe As Milk. People will disagree.


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Still waiting for my copy. I only ordered it 68 days ago but who's counting?


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I, too, am not Matt Groening but I like both the blues and the angular CB. Generally, I have to be in the mood to listen to anything angular by any artist though. It can be punishing to wake up and 1st thing in the morning listen to things that start/stop/start/stop or change time signatures in unexpected places, but when I need to hear something that doesn't sound like anything else CB does the trick. Sometimes one craves predictability, sometimes it is the enemy.

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The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
I, too, am not Matt Groening but I like both the blues and the angular CB. Generally, I have to be in the mood to listen to anything angular by any artist though. It can be punishing to wake up and 1st thing in the morning listen to things that start/stop/start/stop or change time signatures in unexpected places, but when I need to hear something that doesn't sound like anything else CB does the trick. Sometimes one craves predictability, sometimes it is the enemy.


Beautifully said, Arkay! I too crave it at times but, as I said earlier, I personally feel that "Milk" and "London 1974" are good introductions... (safer that way - pun intended I suppose).

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GreenHocher wrote:
Is this album worth a try or should I just avoid the good cap'n? Is Trout Mask Replica a good representation of his 'catalog'?


Trout Mask Replica was the first Beefheart CD I bought(after hearing Hot Rats/Bongo Fury), and I loved it from start to finish. I constantly find new discoveries in the music everytime I hear it. I guess I'm one of the true weirdos. I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea.

In many interviews King Buzzo of the Melvins has said everyone should check out The Spotlight Kid/Clear Spot first. He's right, those are his most consistent and rockin' albums.
Every Captain Beefheart/Magic Band album is excellent, except Unconditionally Guaranteed, and Bluejeans & Moonbeams - his attempts at mersh rock. A few decent songs on each, but generally crap. London '74 is the only one I don't own, and I won't bother with. After the Clear Spot era band bailed on him, he was obligated to tour and had to throw together a band fast. There's plenty of video of that tour to see the proof.

The general breakdown of Beefheart albums/eras is basically:
(early years '65 - '68)
Legendary A&M Sessions
Safe As Milk
Strictly Personal, and/or Mirror Man Sessions

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('69-'72)
Trout Mask Replica
Lick My Decals Off Baby
Spotlight Kid
Clear Spot

forgettable albums ('73/'74)
Unconditionally Guaranteed
Bluejeans & Moonbeams

late era comeback ('76-'82)
Bat Chain Puller
Shiny Beast
Doc At The Radar Station
Ice Cream For Crow


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Well, it's on the map. That is, if you check out a map of the earth and draw a rough line between California (where is MusicToday?) and Adelaide, my copy is somewhere close along that line. I could say getting closer by the day, but more than 95% of the journey takes place in a day, the other 13 days are spent fucking around.

Mine says it's shipping from Durham NC!


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LOL - I can't believe that Frank Zappa fans are still complaining about Trout Mask Replica being "unlistenable". What a bunch of fuckin' pussies.


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i'm not complaining. just stating. there's plenty of other beefheart to listen to :shock:

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Wen D. Carlos wrote:
LOL - I can't believe that Frank Zappa fans are still complaining about Trout Mask Replica being "unlistenable". What a bunch of fuckin' pussies.


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Let's see...the typical moron's response to Trout Mask...

- it's unlistenable
- it's impossible to enjoy
- the band is just playing random notes
- there are no melodies
- there are no rhythms
- people only pretend to like it because it's "hip"
- people only pretend to like it because the guy from the Simpsons likes it

Have I missed any?


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Wen D. Carlos wrote:
Let's see...the typical moron's response to Trout Mask...

- it's unlistenable
- it's impossible to enjoy
- the band is just playing random notes
- there are no melodies
- there are no rhythms
- people only pretend to like it because it's "hip"
- people only pretend to like it because the guy from the Simpsons likes it

Have I missed any?


Yeah;

- people only pretend to like it because Zappa produced it


I've listened to it hundreds of times myself and fucking love it.

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Trout Mask is a masterpiece. period. of course it's not everyone's cup of tea. i don't even think it is tea.

also, Unconditionally Guaranteed and Bluejeans & Moonbeams aren't terrible. i think the only reason people bag on those albums is because it was so different from the atonal avant garde CB everyone knows and sort-of loves. UG is actually one of my favorite Beefheart albums. it has some great tunes, and Lazy Music is a classic

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