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 Post subject: Greasy Ruben
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:48 pm 
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So, does anybody here prefer the 1984 FZ mix of Ruben and the Jets over the original version ?


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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
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JohnJosephC wrote:
So, does anybody here prefer the 1984 FZ mix of Ruben and the Jets over the original version ?


Hmm.....I guess not. At least, I don't.

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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
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I don't

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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
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Well, there is a minority of Zappaholics out there who prefer the Wackermanized versions of some of those 60s albums. But I ain't one of them.

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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
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Nor do I. I was just curious. The original is such a great record. Like most of his CD releases, I wish he just left these great albums alone.

Literally the only thing I like in the 84 remix is the saxophone in Stuff Up The Cracks.


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 Post subject: Re: greasy ruben
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Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
Well, there is a minority of Zappaholics out there who prefer the Wackermanized versions of some of those 60s albums. But I ain't one of them.
me neither.

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 Post subject: Re: greasy ruben
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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
Well, there is a minority of Zappaholics out there who prefer the Wackermanized versions of some of those 60s albums. But I ain't one of them.
me neither.

Nor am I.

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 Post subject: Re: greasy ruben
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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
Lumpy Gravy wrote:
Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
Well, there is a minority of Zappaholics out there who prefer the Wackermanized versions of some of those 60s albums. But I ain't one of them.
me neither.

Nor am I.


Either am I.

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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:11 am 
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I don't necessarily prefer them, but I do like them. I really appreciate the excellent stereo separation that FZ achieved, particularly on the reworked WOIIFTM. FZ's 80s rework of Lumpy Gravy is particularly enjoyable for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
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not me.

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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:49 am 
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Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
Well, there is a minority of Zappaholics out there who prefer the Wackermanized versions of some of those 60s albums. But I ain't one of them.

polydigm wrote:
I don't necessarily prefer them, but I do like them. I really appreciate the excellent stereo separation that FZ achieved, particularly on the reworked WOIIFTM. FZ's 80s rework of Lumpy Gravy is particularly enjoyable for me.

I think we found the minority. :wink: :lol: :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:01 am 
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I've never heard the '84 mix of Cruisin' but I really don't like the equivalent of WOIIFTM.
Nothing about it sounds good to my ears. So much of the original merits were burried in that dreadful mix.
It's a shocker :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
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Talking specifically of CWR&TJ, I haven't listened to either enough and/or (close to) side my side enough to really critically differentiate between them on any profound level but I do enjoy both versions when I listen to them and/or for what they are and/or deliver (that I like) and don't find them all that far removed from one another to be honest (ie I find the underlying content and/or presentation etc to be pretty much same with just some relative tweaks of difference, in overall feel- somewhat darker in the 84 mix, certainly in places, likely down to the bass and/or drum overdubs- to specific moments- one that comes to mind and actually concerns the former point also is the slow, heavy, hard hitting bassline repeated in 'How Could I Be Such A Fool?; a specific moment I do probably prefer on the 84 mix to the original, actually).

I suppose I am quite relaxed about such matters in general to be honest and tend to accept what's given to me and then like what I do in that to whatever level I do, or, otherwise (though there I usually won't let bother me and just discard); that's most healthy for me, to be more laid back like that. I don't see need for restrictive one or other mentality, either ie I will embrace different variants given and/or apply above to ie see what like in and dig on own merits as and where.

Another example would be Hot Rats (though there's more to positively attach to there in the remix,edit for fans in general given substantially longer edit of The Gumbo Variations).


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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
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Nope. A really big nope.


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 Post subject: Re: Greasy Ruben
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Strangly, I heard the 80's version first thinking it was the original, and enjoyed it. But when I finally discovered the actual version, I realized it was much better and I haven't listened to the remix ever since!

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