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PenguinInBondage
 Post subject: Apostrophe - 1969
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:33 pm 
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I just noticed today that the recording process of Apostrophe is listed to begin as far back as 1969. Does anyone have any idea what part of the album comes from that far back?

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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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I've heard that Excentrifugal Forz is an outtake from Hot Rats but I don't know if I believe it.

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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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Philmore wrote:
I've heard that Excentrifugal Forz is an outtake from Hot Rats but I don't know if I believe it.


I suppose it's possible if maybe the synths and what not were added later in the process. Thanks for the "gossip"! :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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Then there's this:

From: Charles Ulrich' forthcoming book Project/Object

The basic track for this song was probably recorded at the Hot Rats sessions in 1969. It features Johnny Guerin on drums, Sugarcane Harris on violin, and FZ on guitar. (Perhaps a bass track by Max Bennett and/or a keyboard track by Ian Underwood was discarded.) FZ probably overdubbed bass and vocals in 1973.

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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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Philmore wrote:
Then there's this:

From: Charles Ulrich' forthcoming book Project/Object

The basic track for this song was probably recorded at the Hot Rats sessions in 1969. It features Johnny Guerin on drums, Sugarcane Harris on violin, and FZ on guitar. (Perhaps a bass track by Max Bennett and/or a keyboard track by Ian Underwood was discarded.) FZ probably overdubbed bass and vocals in 1973.


Forthcoming? What are you... clairvoyant? :mrgreen:
Very interesting. He does say "probably" but after re-listening to the track, I could visualize the hypothesis. :wink:
I'd argue that synths were overdubbed in '73 as well....

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I read a story once where John Guerin said FZ gave him a gold record for Apostrophe. Guerin said he didn't realize he was on the record, and FZ said he had taken some old drum tracks by Guerin and wrote a new song around them.
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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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pbuzby wrote:
I read a story once where John Guerin said FZ gave him a gold record for Apostrophe. Guerin said he didn't realize he was on the record, and FZ said he had taken some old drum tracks by Guerin and wrote a new song around them.


Thanks for the anecdote! :smoke:

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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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pbuzby wrote:
I read a story once where John Guerin said FZ gave him a gold record for Apostrophe. Guerin said he didn't realize he was on the record, and FZ said he had taken some old drum tracks by Guerin and wrote a new song around them.


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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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Incidentally, in one 1973 show FZ uses the title "Excentrifugal Forz" for the instrumental later called "Echidna's Arf," so that suggests he indeed wrote the words for the cut from Apostrophe later in 1973, and reassigned the titles.
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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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From Information Is Not Knowledge

Excentrifugal Forz

FZ--guitar, bouzouki, bass, lead vocals
And probably:
George Duke--synthesizer
Jean-Luc Ponty--violin?
Sugar Cane Harris--violin?
Johnny Guerin--drums

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Back in the mid 70's the story was floating around LA that FZ was told by the record company that they wanted another good seller like ONS but that could be played on the radio. He then went in the studio and took all this left over material, he had brought in musicians and put together Apostrophe incredibly quick. He then went back to the record company a short time later and presented the completed work, Yellow Snow went on to be a hit and the record company people couldn't understand how he did it so fast. Supposedly the song Yellow Snow in some way recounts the story of FZ (Nanook) and his battles with the record company execs (Fur Trapper)...


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Methinks that the entire side 2 of (') harkens back to pre-'73 times, EF to '69 (basic tr.), the title cut to '72, the Remus basic tr. stems from the Waka sessions ('72) and the Stinkfoot basic track with Sugarcane & Aynsley from spring '70 --

This means a great variety of drummers for noisydrum and me to salivate over --
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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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pbuzby wrote:
Incidentally, in one 1973 show FZ uses the title "Excentrifugal Forz" for the instrumental later called "Echidna's Arf," so that suggests he indeed wrote the words for the cut from Apostrophe later in 1973, and reassigned the titles.


Hmmmm - so can one sing EF over the melody/rhythm of EA? :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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Plook wrote:
Back in the mid 70's the story was floating around LA that FZ was told by the record company that they wanted another good seller like ONS but that could be played on the radio. He then went in the studio and took all this left over material, he had brought in musicians and put together Apostrophe incredibly quick. He then went back to the record company a short time later and presented the completed work, Yellow Snow went on to be a hit and the record company people couldn't understand how he did it so fast. Supposedly the song Yellow Snow in some way recounts the story of FZ (Nanook) and his battles with the record company execs (Fur Trapper)...


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First live performance of "Yellow Snow" was April 73, Overnite Sensation was released September 73.

Although I guess that doesn't discount "Yellow Snow" having something to do with earlier battles with execs.
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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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pbuzby wrote:
Although I guess that doesn't discount "Yellow Snow" having something to do with earlier battles with execs.


Ah, a career's worth of plooking. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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buffalo_voice wrote:
Methinks that the entire side 2 of (') harkens back to pre-'73 times, EF to '69 (basic tr.), the title cut to '72, the Remus basic tr. stems from the Waka sessions ('72) and the Stinkfoot basic track with Sugarcane & Aynsley from spring '70 --

This means a great variety of drummers for noisydrum and me to salivate over --
:)


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 Post subject: Re: Apostrophe - 1969
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BTW:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanook_of_the_North

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pbuzby wrote:
Plook wrote:
Back in the mid 70's the story was floating around LA that FZ was told by the record company that they wanted another good seller like ONS but that could be played on the radio. He then went in the studio and took all this left over material, he had brought in musicians and put together Apostrophe incredibly quick. He then went back to the record company a short time later and presented the completed work, Yellow Snow went on to be a hit and the record company people couldn't understand how he did it so fast. Supposedly the song Yellow Snow in some way recounts the story of FZ (Nanook) and his battles with the record company execs (Fur Trapper)...


:smoke:


First live performance of "Yellow Snow" was April 73, Overnite Sensation was released September 73.

Although I guess that doesn't discount "Yellow Snow" having something to do with earlier battles with execs.


They played a version of it in Princeton, N.J. The first time I saw Frank.

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tweezers wrote:

They played a version of it in Princeton, N.J. The first time I saw Frank.


That is the first known version (April 27, 1973). Also the first of the few shows they played with Kin Vassy on vocals.
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The original track for Down In De Dew from Lather came from the same session.

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pbuzby wrote:
tweezers wrote:

They played a version of it in Princeton, N.J. The first time I saw Frank.


That is the first known version (April 27, 1973). Also the first of the few shows they played with Kin Vassy on vocals.



Thanks pbuzby, I didn't realize that. It was truly a great show.

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