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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:20 am 
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Check out Best Buy's listing for Läther. Different artwork and no bonus tracks. If this is accurate (and it may not be), why didn't they reduce it to two discs?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Lather+-+CD ... &lp=1&cp=1

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:29 am 
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This would be worth buying just for the artwork alone for a change. Comes close to what I've read so far about the artwork how it was planned originally (shots from those sessions later reused for Joe's Garage).

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dlokazip wrote:
Check out Best Buy's listing for Läther. Different artwork and no bonus tracks. If this is accurate (and it may not be), why didn't they reduce it to two discs?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Lather+-+CD ... &lp=1&cp=1

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Maybe it's the original vinyl masters? that would explain the exclusion of the bonus tracks.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:39 am 
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awesome cover artwork for Lather, I hated that stupid 3 legged cow

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Thinman wrote:
This would be worth buying just for the artwork alone for a change. Comes close to what I've read so far about the artwork how it was planned originally (shots from those sessions later reused for Joe's Garage

Same photo session, entirely different, but very good, image, and for the best: very good lettering, utilizing the same font as on the original test prints. A very fine adaption, IMHO, using a different shot but coming up with kind of "the same" artwork. Nice. I'm very happy with it.


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There was a promo record for Läther in the planning in 1977 which had this lettering and the photo from JG Act. 1. Can be seen in the book GRAND ZAPPA. I don't know whether the front cover for the complete set would have been like that, too.

Wasn't there a shot from a radio station, where Frank was showing the original cover design?

I never liked the badly photoshopped cow design, either.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:01 am 
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Thinman wrote:
There was a promo record for Läther in the planning in 1977 which had this lettering and the photo from JG Act. 1. Can be seen in the book GRAND ZAPPA. I don't know whether the front cover for the complete set would have been like that, too.

Wasn't there a shot from a radio station, where Frank was showing the original cover design?

I never liked the badly photoshopped cow design, either.

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This, yes?

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… This, yes? …

Yes, this. :)

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I never liked the badly photoshopped cow design, either.
I flipped inserts as soon as I got it in '97, the think bubble design being the hip alternative. Now, that's obsolete -- :)


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I think the more streamlined FZ album cover designs from the late 70s were very advanced for that time. More 80s style than 70s style. 5 or even 10 years ahead of its time.

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Just wanted to point out that we're allegedly supposed to get the P.S. release this week, "bremember*"?

* - the way my step-son says "remember". :wink:

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I like the new cover. Frank looks even MORE cynical than usual. :D

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Thinman wrote:
There was a promo record for Läther in the planning in 1977 which had this lettering and the photo from JG Act. 1. Can be seen in the book GRAND ZAPPA. I don't know whether the front cover for the complete set would have been like that, too.

Wasn't there a shot from a radio station, where Frank was showing the original cover design?

I never liked the badly photoshopped cow design, either.

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Yes. It even looks like a proof print or a Chromatech-kind-of-a-thing (a proofing system way before the age of digital graphic technologies). I can see register marks there.

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Yes. It even looks like a proof print or a Chromatech-kind-of-a-thing (a proofing system way before the age of digital graphic technologies). I can see register marks there.

Th.

Yep It's nice looks 4.3 in a world of Widescreen,i see the dark looking block on either side is that Chromatech like on old Kodak?,FZ's glare looks different :wink:

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Oh great. It looked like I was set with the existing CD version of Lather, and now there's one more fucking reissue I might have to buy... :)

Since it was mastered after FZ's death, I'd assumed that it was basically a straight transfer with no added processing. However, the Ryko version doesn't seem to have that much "sparkle" to it, so I do wonder if it might benefit from a better transfer.

Even though it bore no relation to the original proposed cover, I admit I've always had a soft spot for the "cow cover." Very cheerful. :D


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You guys are way too anal with the cover variants :roll: . Ryko Lather sounds fine. No need to upgrade. Don't care enough about the new cover art to purchase again. It's all about the music. As of now the only bonus tracks that are still exclusive to the Ryko set are Revenge Of The Knick Knack People, and Leather Goods.

Just got Mothermania CD in the mail today :D . Looks and sounds great.


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O.K. people
I don't understand why Lather wouldn't be remastered from the original tapes
instead of taking it from the Ryko?
I mean.....it's from the seventies and it's analogue.

Why??

Shouldn't they use the original analogue masters??


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jeddy wrote:
O.K. people
I don't understand why Lather wouldn't be remastered from the original tapes
instead of taking it from the Ryko?
I mean.....it's from the seventies and it's analogue.

Why??

Shouldn't they use the original analogue masters??


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Lather(Ryko) already from the original analog tapes? It's not a digital remix ala Bongo Fury or Roxy.


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jeddy wrote:
O.K. people
I don't understand why Lather wouldn't be remastered from the original tapes
instead of taking it from the Ryko?
I mean.....it's from the seventies and it's analogue.

Why??

Shouldn't they use the original analogue masters??


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Lather(Ryko) already from the original analog tapes? It's not a digital remix ala Bongo Fury or Roxy.


Yes. I don't know what all of the fuss is about. This is what Spencer Chrislu did in 1996. If the sound on the reissue is identical, that's a good thing.


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Check out Best Buy's listing for Läther.
They still haven't answered the question as to whether it is FZ's original master, the one he played on the radio at the time, or whether it's a tweezed together approximation.

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They still haven't answered the question as to whether it is FZ's original master, the one he played on the radio at the time, or whether it's a tweezed together approximation.


Have I missed something? Has this been in doubt for the past 16 years? I was under the impression that the master that was used for the Läther CD on Ryko was the same that was used for the test pressing that Frank played on the radio. Does anyone have evidence to the contrary?


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I guess I've read the second page of Gail's three page description of what they did in the Ryko Läther booklet over and over again, and even though she says Joe found the original FZ masters, she also says that much other stuff was found. At no point does she say that those original FZ vinyl masters were used as was and obscures matters by saying decisions had to be made without specifying what those decisions involved, claiming it shall remain a UMRK secret.

That's enough to make me wonder, anyway. I'm not aware that at any point anyone has come out and said definitively that it is the entire original Läther as produced by FZ. Has anyone with access to the radio recording done some kind of A/B?

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