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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:55 am 
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Did anybody else notice that the track "Redneck Eats" (on 200 Motels) contains an early version of what later became "The Black Page"? It struck me as I was listening to it yesterday, but I couldn't find anything about this connection anywhere on the web.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:49 pm 
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How detailed is your analysis? Zappa wrote a significant amount of music in this vein. For example, there are similarities between sections in Inca Roads and Alien Orifice. It may not be quite accurate to use the word "version" here. They're just significant thematic similarities perhaps?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:59 pm 
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I can hear a little similarity.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:09 pm 
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calvin2hikers wrote:
I can hear a little similarity.


I can hear Fuck All similarity.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:02 am 
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Zappa based the opening bars on a Tony Williams lick that Bozzio had been playing (apparently) but it's certainly possible he'd written some of it earlier or recycled something. I can hear an inversion of the bassoon melody at the start of The Rite of Spring; the bit that goes.... 'Dahhh... dyada-da-da-daaaaa' is like an upside down version of the melody at the start of The Black Page... 'Dahhh... da-da-dahh-dadaaaaa'.... Seriously!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:13 am 
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evildick wrote:
Zappa based the opening bars on a Tony Williams lick that Bozzio had been playing (apparently)


Actually the Tony Williams reference is in the short improvised drum solo Bozzio plays on ZINY before he starts playing "The Black Page," not in Zappa's composition.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:36 am 
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Oh Ok - can you remind me where the quote of him saying that is? Was it on Drum Channel or something?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:25 am 
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evildick wrote:
Oh Ok - can you remind me where the quote of him saying that is? Was it on Drum Channel or something?


I can't find it online. And yes, I think either he or the interviewer/editor said this in a way that made it sound like it was in Zappa's composition.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:53 am 
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I'll post the link if I find it...

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