Zappa.com

The Official Frank Zappa Messageboards
It is currently Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:45 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 343 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:53 am
Posts: 2183
Location: Hamilton, NJ
Shipped from Amazon today!

On the official catalogue vs posthumous releases. Frank worked all the time. He had ideas and concepts all the time and did work on them. He did not have unlimited resources, so he relied on record companies. Look at all the trouble and revisions UM and WOIIFTM went through. He would have released a whole lot more if he could have afforded it or if someone else paid to release it. I eagerly await any and all releases and have been pleased with most of them (I even listened to Joe's Domage and Joe's XMasage a few times). He did want to release the material on EIHN and QUAD, he just didn't get to fully realize those projects.

I will say I only download the actual FZ tracks from the AANFRAas.

_________________
If we're dumb . . .
Then God is dumb . . .
(An' maybe even a little bit ugly on the side)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:36 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2002 3:42 pm
Posts: 1012
Location: The Short Forest
Got it in the mail today. CD Universe rules, 2 days. Listened through once so far. Best "FZ-constructed" release since Lost Episodes. One has to wonder why this wasn't released on Ryko around the time of LE. Maybe Joe hadn't found it yet?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:57 am
Posts: 2993
Location: Topsham, Maine
First Road Tapes venue #1, now this?
Great, great stuff coming out of the vault.
I am already spinning this for the 5th time; lovin' it.

_________________
Wanna Buy A Grunt With A Third Party Check
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:51 pm
Posts: 2341
Location: Europe
This is a great, great album!!! Some serious shit with the early MOI. Here and there in pristine sound as well. Very, very recommendable.

PS. And the cover is just great when you see it closer, and realize it is not a drawing. Would be great on vinyl in Large.

_________________
"Everybody in this room is wearing a uniform, and don't kid yourself" - FZ
http://www.myspace.com/kirnehness


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:52 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:54 am
Posts: 50
A release with the complete Ark concert would be really nice, wouldn't it? The solo from "A Holiday in Berlin, Full Blown" (one of Zappa's best to my ears) comes from there and I would love to listen to it in its original context.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:57 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:44 pm
Posts: 1466
Location: An air base in Central Europe
I wonder what's on the discs themseves, I mean in terms of visuals/graphics & fonts stuff -- Hope it's not the front cover sh#t replicated? :| :)
And, above all, is the spine artwork any sexy? :wink:
For a little ceremony, I think I'll give the oilcloth thing a blunt little hole puncher job -- what's better with New Year's Eve upcoming than some brown confetti?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:32 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:50 am
Posts: 30
I know this may sound crazy, but I almost LIKE the fact that there's missing information about releases like this. It reminds me of the old days when you knew a band was putting out a new record and might know what it was called or maybe what it looked like, but not much else. You had to go to the store, buy it, bring it home and go over it word for word while listening...then do it all again.

Then again, maybe they're just lazy...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:40 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:33 pm
Posts: 671
Location: Puisard Radioactif
tweezers wrote:
(I even listened to Joe's Domage and Joe's XMasage a few times).
these 2 albums reveal alot of interresting stuff about Frank & his time he did it. I love them very much, cuz i want understand the man.

_________________
Je suis désolé pour les roles que j'ai joué dans toutes ces videos, ce n'est pas tres valorisant pour l'humanité mais si cela peu avoir fait progresser la science, alors il y aura eu un coté positif.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:51 pm
Posts: 241
Location: Austin, TX (wherever I am)
pbuzby wrote:
The Subcutaneous Peril - alternate edit of material from Carnegie Hall


For those who are interested in where this material was culled from on Carnegie Hall:

The first 3:41 is from "A Pound For A Brown" and the rest is from "King Kong". A good amount of razor blade edits in this one.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:04 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:57 am
Posts: 2993
Location: Topsham, Maine
Rne wrote:
A release with the complete Ark concert would be really nice, wouldn't it? The solo from "A Holiday in Berlin, Full Blown" (one of Zappa's best to my ears) comes from there and I would love to listen to it in its original context.


If it exists,fully, in the vault, put me down as a fuck yes vote to this.

_________________
Wanna Buy A Grunt With A Third Party Check
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:06 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:57 am
Posts: 2993
Location: Topsham, Maine
jk666 wrote:
I know this may sound crazy, but I almost LIKE the fact that there's missing information about releases like this. It reminds me of the old days when you knew a band was putting out a new record and might know what it was called or maybe what it looked like, but not much else. You had to go to the store, buy it, bring it home and go over it word for word while listening...then do it all again.

Then again, maybe they're just lazy...


I dunno, bands used to offer what songs would be on albums all the time in interviews, it is called "promoting the product". The only difference between then and now is that before there was no outlet to listen to the album before buying like there is now. I have a lot of turds bought over the years based on one decent song on MTV or the radio.

_________________
Wanna Buy A Grunt With A Third Party Check
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:06 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:55 am
Posts: 1192
dlokazip wrote:
pbuzby wrote:
The Subcutaneous Peril - alternate edit of material from Carnegie Hall


For those who are interested in where this material was culled from on Carnegie Hall:

The first 3:41 is from "A Pound For A Brown" and the rest is from "King Kong". A good amount of razor blade edits in this one.


The currently-down IINK site had a breakdown of the edits in this material as it appeared on the "JABFLA second LP." This unreleased second LP had Ian's sax solo in King Kong, which has been omitted from Finer Moments.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:14 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:55 am
Posts: 1192
jk666 wrote:
I know this may sound crazy, but I almost LIKE the fact that there's missing information about releases like this. It reminds me of the old days when you knew a band was putting out a new record and might know what it was called or maybe what it looked like, but not much else. You had to go to the store, buy it, bring it home and go over it word for word while listening...then do it all again.

Then again, maybe they're just lazy...


For me at least, being a Zappa fan in the late 80's and early 90's meant going to the record store once every week or two and making haste to the "Z" bins of the rock section and, on a few lucky days, finding a new YCDTOSA volume or reissue, or something like Best Band, sitting there. Occasionally a bit of preliminary info might surface in Down Beat, Musician or David Fricke's column in Rolling Stone (I subscribed to Society Pages a bit later), but otherwise, nothing.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:11 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:11 am
Posts: 1023
Location: North German Wasteland
pbuzby wrote:
jk666 wrote:
I know this may sound crazy, but I almost LIKE the fact that there's missing information about releases like this. It reminds me of the old days when you knew a band was putting out a new record and might know what it was called or maybe what it looked like, but not much else. You had to go to the store, buy it, bring it home and go over it word for word while listening...then do it all again.

Then again, maybe they're just lazy...


For me at least, being a Zappa fan in the late 80's and early 90's meant going to the record store once every week or two and making haste to the "Z" bins of the rock section and, on a few lucky days, finding a new YCDTOSA volume or reissue, or something like Best Band, sitting there. Occasionally a bit of preliminary info might surface in Down Beat, Musician or David Fricke's column in Rolling Stone (I subscribed to Society Pages a bit later), but otherwise, nothing.

It was even better in the days roughly before CDs. Many times albums appeared in the bins without any prior notice. I remember Studio Tan, Sleep Dirt and Orchestral Favourites being such surprises. I'll never forget the fresh special smell of those albums when they were brand new. And Zappa In New York was postponed and suddenly appeared then in 1978. Nobody knew that soon after JG Act 1 there would be a double album with Acts 2 & 3. YAWYI appearing very soon after TTR was another surprise without announcement. There was no internet and not many music papers. It is a lot more boring these days.

Th.

_________________
Active forum member since 2005 - R E T I R E D from public forum activity in 2013


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:13 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:55 am
Posts: 1192
My biggest surprise was finding YCDTOSA 4 one day in summer 1991. With more than a year going by since the previous volume I wondered if it would ever appear.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:09 am
Posts: 140
Location: back east...
Interesting observations guys. I hadn't really considered how my music purchasing had changed before reading that.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:19 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 03, 2003 3:45 am
Posts: 9248
Location: EINDHOVEN
Ah, those were the days indeed. When I started being a Zappa fan, a major CD chain was getting rid of its Zappa and so I found much in their Z section, but for the last 10 records I really had to scrounge. I remember getting a 1 euro price cut on Thing-Fish, because I finally stumbled on it at a CD fair and only had 16 euros on me, one measly euro too little. But the guy let me have it.
Good going, considering I haven't found any copy of TF since.

_________________
Image
Join the PackardGoose forum! Send me a PM!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:14 am
Posts: 18510
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
buffalo_voice wrote:
I wonder what's on the discs themseves, I mean in terms of visuals/graphics & fonts stuff -- Hope it's not the front cover sh#t replicated? :| :)
And, above all, is the spine artwork any sexy? :wink:

Image

Image

_________________
You're probably wondering why I'm here
(not that it makes a heck of a lot of a difference to ya)
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:51 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:51 pm
Posts: 2341
Location: Europe
The cover is awesome. Look at is closely. Made out of linoleum. Quite cool! I think it is a very tasteful release.

_________________
"Everybody in this room is wearing a uniform, and don't kid yourself" - FZ
http://www.myspace.com/kirnehness


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:40 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:44 pm
Posts: 1466
Location: An air base in Central Europe
Thank you many times for letting me know, doug, they're taking a while to arrive, and I have been too curious:

AND HOW UGLY THEY TURN OUT TO BE! :P

HJ wrote:
The cover is awesome. Look at is closely. Made out of linoleum. Quite cool!

Chances are good that finally you'll be overcoming this phase, HJ --
And Yes, I Have Noticed It's Not Pencil-On-Paper -- Awwhgh! Ommagoodness! :wink:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:40 pm
Posts: 6911
Location: South wales
Just don't take and play that CD in a car on a hot day it be flaking everywhere my bet.

_________________
Arf you out of your fucking mind.Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:53 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:44 pm
Posts: 1466
Location: An air base in Central Europe
I grew accustomed to the fact that there'll never be a ZFT release that looks like an ECM album, but this is sub-anything.
There's no way that this guy has seen the interior of an art school in his life, imo.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:21 am
Posts: 5174
Location: Rhineland
Wow ! Best MOI live album since BWS ... and it's even better ! Great release.

_________________
What's the ugliest part of your body ?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:41 am
Posts: 418
Location: Centerville, Norway
just plain doug wrote:
buffalo_voice wrote:
I wonder what's on the discs themseves, I mean in terms of visuals/graphics & fonts stuff -- Hope it's not the front cover sh#t replicated? :| :)
And, above all, is the spine artwork any sexy? :wink:

Image

Image


Too much moustache and I wish they hadn't stuck those nasty little numbers on the spine. SUNPYG has three of 'em! Other than that, I'm really looking forward to Finer Moments.

_________________
If I'm not alone... How long have I been asleep?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Finer Moments
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:07 am
Posts: 1520
pbuzby wrote:
My biggest surprise was finding YCDTOSA 4 one day in summer 1991. With more than a year going by since the previous volume I wondered if it would ever appear.


Well, in fact 1990 was a rare year (after 1977 and 1980) without any new FZ release. Thus Stage 4 was as likely to appear as anything.

_________________
Lies are like quicksand, soft and comfortable, but they will swallow us. Truth is like bedrock, hard and uncomfortable, but we can always stand on it


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 343 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group