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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:54 am 
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Being very much non-american, reading Brown Moses gave my some hard times... :-) Can anyone help me - with the song as a whole, and/on with the following words:

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What wickedness id dis?
De way you's carryin' on!
Dis pygmy I been clutchin' (who is the 'pygmy'?)
Have been lef' out on de lawn!

De daddy were ne-GLIJ-ible,
De mama were de-FLATE-able,
De trauma to de imfunt
Be mostly not ne-GATE-able

Yo' urgin' to be exitin'
Because of dem fla-min-i-go's (why flamingo?)
Be thoroughly perplexin' him
Because of where yo' petuh goes

If only you been 'siderate
Erbout dis lil' illiterate
I wouldna been trudgin' cross de san'
Fum way down yonder in E-gyp-lan' (Egypt? why?)

Dey callin' me BROWN MOSES,
Fo' dat id sho'ly what I am,
Ancient an' re-lij-er-mus
Solemn an' pres-tig-i-mus

Wisdom reekin' outa me
'Long wif summa dis baby pee
'Minds me of dem River Weeds
'N all dem ignint Bible deeds

Growed up in de Pharaoh place,
Lef' de sucker in disgrace!
Some dem boys refuse to loin
Somthin' smokin': Somthin' boin!

Somethin' borry: Somethin' blue!
Best keeps a lil' paper
In yo shoe!
(why?...)
Hear me when I's tellin' you:
Leavin' de midgit were
WRONG T'DO!

It's a terr'ble thang, done did to him
Left wit de crab-grass
Over his chin!

Sho'ly one day he will grow,
'N put some shit
In yo' sack o' woe

OL' BROWN MOSES now have spoke!
Could ya lend me 'bout a dollar?
I's a tiny bit broke

I likes my wine
I loves my gin
'N fo a lil' collateral,
I'll gives ya HIM! ('I will give YOU to him?'...)
A lil' collateral,
I'll gives ya HIM!
A lil' collateral,
I'll gives ya HIM!
For a lil' collateral,
(A lil' collateral)
A lil' collateral,
(A lil' collateral)
A lil' collateral,
(A lil' collateral)
A lil' collateral,
For a lil' collateral
I'll gives you HIM!
(I'll gives you . . . )
TAKE A POMPADOUR, BABY!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:06 am 
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Might as well translate out of Ebonics first...

What wickedness is this?
The way you are carrying on!
This pygmy I have been clutching (who is the 'pygmy'?)
Has been left out on the lawn!

The daddy was negligible
The mama was deflatable
The trauma to the infant
Is mostly non-negatable

Urging to be exiting
Because the fla-min-i-go's (why flamingo?)
Are thoroughly perplexin' him
Because of where your potato goes

If only you been considerate
About this little illiterate
I wouldn't have been trudging across the sand
From way down yonder in Egypt Land (Egypt? why?)

They're calling me BROWN MOSES,
For that is surely what I am,
Ancient and religeous
Solemn and prestigious

Wisdom reeking out of me
Along with some of this baby pee
Reminds me of the River Weeds
And all the ignorant Bible deeds

Growed up in the Pharaoh place,
Left the sucker in disgrace!
Some of them boys refuse to learn
Something smoking Somthing burn

Something borrowed Somethin' blue!
Best keep a little paper
In your shoe! (why?...)
Hear me when I'm telling you:
Leaving the midgit was
WRONG To DO!

It's a terrible thing, done did to him
Left with the crab-grass
Over his chin!

Surely one day he will grow,
And put some shit
In your sack of woe

OLD BROWN MOSES now has spoken!
Could you lend me about a dollar?
I am tiny bit broke

I like my wine
I love my gin
and for a little collateral,
I'll give you HIM! ('I will give YOU to him?'...)
A little collateral,
I'll give you HIM!
A little collateral,
I'll give you HIM!
A little collateral,
(A little collateral,)
A little collateral,
(A little collateral,)
A little collateral,
(A little collateral,)
A little collateral,
For a lil' collateral
I'll give you HIM!
(I'll give you . . . )
TAKE A POMPADOUR, BABY!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:29 pm 
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The pygmy is the Crabgrass Baby.

Plastic flamingos are often seen on the front lawns of suburban houses in the US. Maybe the Crabgrass Baby was upset by the sight of the flamingos when he was left out on the lawn.

Egypt relates to the biblical story of Moses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

"Something borrowed, something blue" refers to wedding traditions, so the paper in the shoe might be paper money in a reference to this: http://www.weddingwindow.com/blog/and-a ... -her-shoe/

"I will give him (the Crabgrass Baby) to you (in exchange for alcohol)."

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:47 pm 
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thanks guys! That really helped in some things in there. I'm not a real expert in Thingfish, so I only have a slight idea how it fits the whole thing.
- Who is Brown Moses?
- Who is he talking to? The "daddy" and "mama" should be Harry and Rhonda, I guess, leaving (?) Harry-as-a-Boy... alone, somewhere?...
- "paper" in "her shoe"?...
- this weed-thing?...
- finally: what is "pompadour" here?

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thanks! :-) (Beautiful tune, by the way...)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:58 pm 
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1.retracted

2.fla-min-i-go's (why flamingo?) = possibly this refers to pink plastic lawn flamingos

3.E-gyp-lan' (Egypt? why?)- possible connected to Biblical Moses story.

4. summa = some of

5.River Weeds = perhaps derived from the Bible story of infant Moses being found near river reeds.

6.ignint Bible deeds = ignorant Bible deeds

7.boys refuse to loin = boys refuse to learn

8.Somethin' borry: Somethin' blue! = something borrowed! Something blue! Many brides to be choose to wear something borrowed and something blue on their wedding day. The borrowed item signifies the transfer of happiness and the blue symbolizes fidelity and purity. In the context of the song however, it may only serve as something to rhyme.

9.Best keeps a lIn yo shoe! (why?...)il' paper = Another one up for debate. People who couldn't afford to buy new shoes when the old ones wore out and got a hole in the sole sometimes would fill the hole with newspaper or cardboard. You can also put newspaper in your shoes to help keep your feet warmer in cold conditions.

10.crabgrass = An invasive type of grass seen as a nuisance upon otherwise nice looking residential front lawns. In this context, I think Brown Moses has gone from tall river reeds to tall crabgrass when he was moved to the suburbs. Maybe he saw his first pink flamingos on this same lawn. Just a theory.

11. I'll gives ya HIM! = The infant Brown Moses is being traded by some alcoholic for a bottle wine or gin.

12. POMPADOUR = one of those goofy 50s style hairdos men used to wear. Maybe used here just for the sound of the word itself.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:24 am 
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Milton Bradley wrote:
12. POMPADOUR = one of those goofy 50s style hairdos men used to wear. Maybe used here just for the sound of the word itself.


From the Thing-Fish libretto:

We recognize that it [the Crabgrass Baby] has ARTIFICIAL RHONDA'S face and QUENTIN ROBERT DE NAMELAND'S enormous white video-religious pompadour.

Many Southern televangelists in the 70s and 80s seemed to have goofy pompadouresque hairstyles, so FZ is parodying that.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:57 am 
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Hey guys, thanks, it really will be a huge help! Now I jump into the lyrics, and try to get the whole thing together! :-)


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:17 am 
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Milton Bradley wrote:
9.Best keeps a lIn yo shoe! (why?...)il' paper = Another one up for debate. People who couldn't afford to buy new shoes when the old ones wore out and got a hole in the sole sometimes would fill the hole with newspaper or cardboard. You can also put newspaper in your shoes to help keep your feet warmer in cold conditions.


I think that refers to hiding money in your shoe, as in the blues song "Deep Elem" ("If you go down to Deep Elem, keep your money in your shoes/Women in Deep Elem got them Deep Elem blues").

Brown Moses himself is a spoof of Isaac Hayes' Black Moses persona.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:29 pm 
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hm, interesting, the whole thing (thanks again) - but it's mostly about the parts. Does that work as a whole? Can this song be told in a few sentences - does it have a real sense?...


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always thought frank had this song in mind when he wrote brown moses, borrowing from the lyrics, theme ¿ key ¿ mode ¿


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l. armstrong - go down moses [traditional afro-american spiritual folksong]





cc: moses brown goes down

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:18 pm 
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slime.oofytv.set wrote:
[color=#000000]always thought frank had this song in mind when he wrote brown moses, borrowing from the lyrics, theme ¿ key ¿ mode ¿

Good point. I'm sure FZ would have been familiar with this song, and it is almost certainly the direct inspiration.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:30 am 
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some more ideas: from the previous songs:

Crab-grass baby: "Stroke me pompadour"
(Should go to) Brown Moses
Down in Egypt land
Harry as a boy: growing like a weed

„de Italian dat be ownin' yo' nativity bungalow been wondrin' 'bouts de hanky AN' de panky 'tween you 'n dem two concrete flamingos ovuh by de steps! You been messin' wit de State Bird o' New Jersey, muthafucker!
Leave de ugly baby in de crab-grass, snatch up yo' wretched excuse fo a woman, 'n climb on up de heap! Get yo'seff a job drivin' a truck fulla string-beans to Utah! Make sumfin' out y'seff, so's y'can afode a ticket to de MAMMY NUN SHOW! Den we can piss all ovuh de adulterated wimp you gwine become, an' get de shit rollin' agin'!”
„Harry:
Those are the Warner Brothers files, aren't they dear? Don't you think there'll be some questions about the condition of the blue paper? „

one more question:
"Because of where yo' petuh goes" - isn't it 'peter' (instead of 'potato') like in In France:

"I said they got a mystery blow-job
Turn your peter green"


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balint wrote:
... "Because of where yo' petuh goes" - isn't it 'peter' (instead of 'potato') like in In France:

"I said they got a mystery blow-job
Turn your peter green"


no, petuh = peter = penis ... blow job = oral sex

green peter syndrome is the primary symptom of the mystery blow job; however, when the mysterious brown moses brown goes all the way down, way on down, a camo-colored variation has been reported

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:57 am 
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Sorry guys, my stupid "solution" comes ;-). My guess (with questions):

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What is this wickedness?
You’ve lost (left alone?) the baby
Awful parents – desperate child
The flamingos exite you (who is "you" here?)
your „peter’s” actions disturb him (?)

If you knew
Who this child is
I wouldn’t have to come here from Egypt

I’m Brown Moses
Ancient and religious
Wisdom spreading out of me
(with some baby piss)
reminds me a story in the Bible

Grown up in Egypt
But left the place
Some guys dont learn:
Where there is smoke, there is fire

(something borrowed, something new,
keep you money in your shoe)

hear me: leaving the child alone
was a mistake

It was a terrible thing
He was hid in the tall crab-grass
One day he will grow
And you will be sorry

BROWN MOSES now have spoke!
Could you lend me a dollar?
I'm a bit broke
I like my wine
I love my gin
for a little money I”ll give (the child) to you

TAKE A POMPADOUR, BABY!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:23 am 
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okay, if not as a whole, I still have partial questions :-) :

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This pygmy I have been clutching - what can "clutching" be here?
Has been left out on the lawn! - left alone? For himself like Moses?...

The daddy was negligible
The mama was deflatable - it's the Miss Pinky thing, right? "with a littre rubber head"...


Urging to be exiting
Because the fla-min-i-go's - so he's (who?..) exited by the flamingos?
Are thoroughly perplexin' him
Because of where your peter goes - who's talking about whom, here?

If only you been considerate
About this little illiterate
I wouldn't have been trudging across the sand -so is there a reason he came here?...
From way down yonder in Egypt Land (Egypt? why?)

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Okay, that's it for today :-)


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I'm probably talkin shite.... but this is how I would answer your questions were we sat round a table enjoying a beer...

balint wrote:
This pygmy I have been clutching - what can "clutching" be here?


clutching = holding on to something - Brown Moses has been holding the pygmy/crab grass baby

balint wrote:
Has been left out on the lawn! - left alone? For himself like Moses?...


maybe, but probably just dumped on the lawn and forgotten...left behind on the lawn like a kids toy or ball or something

balint wrote:
The mama was deflatable - it's the Miss Pinky thing, right? "with a littre rubber head"...


yep, inflatable recreation!

balint wrote:
Urging to be exiting
Because the fla-min-i-go's - so he's (who?..) exited by the flamingos?


Its not exciting... its exit-ing...leaving. He wants to leave because of the flamingos on the lawn, maybe beacuse of where they want to put their 'peter' (Lets face it who would want to be fucked by a flamingo?)

balint wrote:
If only you been considerate
About this little illiterate
I wouldn't have been trudging across the sand -so is there a reason he came here?...
From way down yonder in Egypt Land (Egypt? why?)



Yes there is a reason! Brown Moses came trudging across the sand (as oppose to the tundra!) to rescue the baby who had been dumped on the lawn by his inconsiderate parents.
Well he trudged from Eygpt because thats where Moses came from, I suppose.


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I'm probably talkin shite.... but this is how I would answer your questions were we sat round a table enjoying a beer...

Nice deduction, Watson. That's as good a questament as any I think Balint would agree. I'd have a beer with ya anytime jamesE! :lol: 8)

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wah! Thanks! :-)


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What wickedness is this?
The way you're behaving!
This baby I'm holding in my arms
has been left out on the lawn!

The father [Harry] has been negligent,
the mother [Artificial Rhonda] was a plastic inflatable doll;
the trauma to the baby
can mostly not be undone.

Your desire to leave
because of those [lawn] flamingos
is thoroughly puzzling him
because of what you do sexually.

If only you had been more careful
with this little baby,
I wouldn't have been "trudging across the sand
from way down yonder in Egypt Land" [to return your baby to you].

They call me Brown Moses,
for that is surely who I am,
ancient and religious,
solemn and prestigious

The knowledge I have,
along with the fact that this baby is pissing on me,
makes me think of those reeds by the river [where the abandoned baby Moses was found]
and all those ignorant things people did in the Bible.

[Moses] grew up as the Pharaoh's adopted son,
but eventually turned against the Pharaoh.
Some people [like Harry] refuse to learn.
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
"Something borrowed, something blue"
You ought to keep a little spare cash in your shoe.
Hear me when I say to you:
Abandoning your baby was wrong to do!

It's a terrible thing that you did to him,
leaving him lying in the crab-grass.
Surely one day he'll grow up
and get revenge on you.

Old Brown Moses has now spoken.
Could you lend me some money? I have none.
I love to drink wine and gin,
so for a little booze money, I'll give you back your baby.


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james e wrote:
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Yes there is a reason! Brown Moses came trudging across the sand (as oppose to the tundra!) to rescue the baby who had been dumped on the lawn by his inconsiderate parents.
Well he trudged from Egypt because that's where Moses came from, I suppose.


nice analysis james; the original crab grass baby, the flamingo is checkin out the deflatables, and the poodle is about to react

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Sho'ly one day he will grow,
'N put some shit
In yo' sack o' woe

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thingfish question again (Wistful Wit a Fistful):

1.)
I gets wistful,
Wit a fistful
Of ve-NE-she-um bline!


er... what does it mean? :-) Is "wit" really "wit" here, or maybe "with"?... Why venetian blind?...

2.)
It is said to be sang by the Evil Prince, who is impersonated by 1.) NM Brock, 2.) Bob Harris, and here: 3.) Terry Bozzio. Why was it, why not ONE evil prince?..


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...anybody else... with WORDS this time?... :-)


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Yes, "wit'" means "with." I don't know this album all that well but as I recall only Napoleon plays the Evil Prince. In this song Terry/Harry either becomes a Mammy Nun, or is pretending he is a Mammy Nun, or something.


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