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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:03 am 
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Back in the day I had only 2 FZ albums and both were compilations: Son Of Cheep Thrills and Have I Offended Someone?. HIOS I bought from the CD coupon I got as graduation present. First time I played it was a bit of a shock, didn't like Bobby Brown one little bit and was peeved off at the slower and much less poppy version of Disco Boy, the song that sold FZ to me; but gradually I started discovering songs on it and listening very attentively to those. One of the last ones I discovered was We're Turning Again. Listening to it brings up the pleasant atmosphere of that long long summer holiday between high school exams and university, a summer holiday I spent doing magazine delivery rounds and solving jigsaws while listening to awesome records.

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:14 pm 
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NuclearProstate wrote:
So, FZMTMOI. What do you guys think?

I love it in its original configuration. "Porn Wars" is brilliant, I could listen to that over and over. "Aerobics" and "Sambo" strike me as the beginning of FZ's "mature" period with the Synclavier--his earlier Synclavier works seem kind of tentative to me. The CD bonus tracks and reworked track order didn't do the album many favors, though. Much as I dig Johnny Guitar Watson, "I Don't Even Care" isn't exactly one of FZ's shining moments, and it's especially weak as an album opener. And "HR 2911" is just redundant after "Porn Wars." Nevertheless, it remains one of my favorite FZ '80s releases.


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:01 am 
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I love Porn Wars. And Baltimore. And We're Turning Again.


Alien Orifice. Not a big "We're Turning Again" fan although I had fun listening to it the last time knowing how miserable it made Barry Miles feel.



Damn I must know more about this. It sounds hilarious.

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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NuclearProstate wrote:
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I love Porn Wars. And Baltimore. And We're Turning Again.


Alien Orifice. Not a big "We're Turning Again" fan although I had fun listening to it the last time knowing how miserable it made Barry Miles feel.



Damn I must know more about this. It sounds hilarious.


I prefer thinking how much it made Steve Vai miserable.


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:19 am 
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I didn't think it made him miserable but certainly uncomfortable and he felt disappointing that Frank did it. I'm going to do some research into the song. I think it is great, especially the '81 version.

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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I'd be curious to find out if anyone ever covered the song. And dared to add Frank to the list.


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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It needs to happen.

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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my top 5

1-Jazz From Hell (Grammy 1988 WINNER !)

2-Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch (concise,even a bit shorter,I love the voice overdubs)

3-Frank Zappa Meets The Mothers Of Prevention

(I rearranged the album when putting it in my Ipod :

We're Turning Again – 4:55
Alien Orifice – 4:10
Yo Cats (Zappa, Mariano) – 3:33
What's New in Baltimore? – 5:20
I Don't Even Care (Zappa, Watson) – 4:39
One Man, One Vote – 2:35
H.R. 2911 – 3:35
Little Beige Sambo – 3:02
Porn Wars – 12:05
Aerobics in Bondage – 3:16

I can't listen to the 1995 revised version,it's weird how they [Frank?] put side 2 at the beginning)


4-You Are What You Is

(I prefer the LP over the CD because you can have a pause between sides,
my brain generally stop listening during Mudd Club,don't know why,
perhaps a bit too low in volume compared to the rest of the album)

5-Does Humor Belong In Music? ex aeco with Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar vol.1

(the 1984 tour is one of my favourite with 1971 and 1978 ; and Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar is a classic)


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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The best 80s era musician (aside the '88 horn players, two of them '70s holdovers and a third actually auditioned in '73 to replace Ian Underwood) to my mind seems to be Scott Thunes. "Hot Plate Heaven" from DHBIM is currently on Zappa Radio and Thunes' backdrop is a very compelling indeed. Great sound with Fender Precision, played with punk rock edge, but world class agility. Too bad he was matched with such a square drummer and he also had to put up with Allan Zavod!

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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Chad's great. If you don't like the 84 drum sound go back to Ship Arriving Too Late... (especially the title track) or forward to the 88 albums.


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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The overall drum sound in 1981 was certainly quite a change over how Vinnie's drum-set sounds on "Buffalo". Who knows whether it was more down to Chad (someone commented that Chad had more of a papery snare sound) or FZ' state-of-the-art ideas on what modern rock drums are supposed to sound like. And it's anybody's guess whether Vinnie would've sounded like this after '80.

Chalk Pie material is certainly the most reasonable showcase of Thunes-Wackerman rhythm section, esp. the loud bass of Thunes.

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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Them Or Us. I would pick the Guitar albums, but that would be cheating. They are all in a class of their own.


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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There used to be a website called www.thescottthuneseffect.com in which some guy transcribed a ton of his basslines. I'm sure glad I copied those before the site was taken down.


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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Thanks; I tried archive.org, it stored the site but not the images.

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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Google "Scott Thunes transcriptions"


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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pbuzby wrote:
Google "Scott Thunes transcriptions"

Wow, that's a shitload of transcriptions there. Good link!

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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DHBIM is good but slightly underwhelming musically. Hot Plate Heaven to me is so much better with the 88 band, those horns are amazing. Who was the keyboard player in 84? The hairy fucker, never liked him. Tommy Mars is my hero.

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NuclearProstate wrote:
Who was the keyboard player in 84? The hairy fucker, never liked him.

Ha! Allan "Hairy Fucker" Zavod. :)


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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Does Humor Belong in Music was, sadly, way too short.

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NuclearProstate wrote:
Hot Plate Heaven to me is so much better with the 88 band, those horns are amazing.


Yes, "HPHATGH" is quite lovely on BTHW album. Not just the horns, but the guitar solo is pretty good for '88 as well. FZ almost seems to delve into rhythm-solo esque playing, almost harking back to "The Ocean is the Ultimate Solution" or even the Joe's Menage version of "Chunga's Revenge". One of his rare late period solos that isn't entirely based on playing monophonic lines or feedback. And the dog yapping sample at the beginning is quite hilarious. The band gets a big band groove going and you've got these "Yap! Yap! Yap!" punctuations.

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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Its probably my favorite 80's Zappa song. Though I love the best band version of Cosmic Debris. 'But I have got a ring of fire' is hilarious.
Close second would be Drowning Witch.

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Drowning Witch is very cool indeed. I also like Envelopes quite a bit, even though FZ already wrote it and even attempted to record it in 1968 (I guess it was too hard for Underwood and Tripp). Interestingly it's Bobby Martin's least favourite FZ composition he played, not quite tonal enough apparently. I'd like to hope Tommy Mars disagreed.

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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Drowning Witch is very cool indeed. I also like Envelopes quite a bit, even though FZ already wrote it and even attempted to record it in 1968 (I guess it was too hard for Underwood and Tripp). Interestingly it's Bobby Martin's least favourite FZ composition he played, not quite tonal enough apparently. I'd like to hope Tommy Mars disagreed.

That says more about Bobby Martin, doesn't it - he would prefer singing Stevie's Spanking - with or without a spindle up his butt. And I'm not homophobic - my brother's gay, I have nothing against homosexuals. But I don't particularly dig Bobby Martin, gay or not. His particular musicality doesn't move me, I'm afraid. Too much muscle, not enough soul. So his view on Envelopes doesn't affect my appreciation of the piece. Could do without the lyrics on HO, though 8)

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It might be time for a Bobby Martin Appreciation Day or something. I've minimized his contributions in the past and do still consider him a FZ Utility Tool who wears alot of hats, albeit none really to the level of a Superstar. But, I don't want to see him as a Whipping Boy (posts aside) either. I'm not sure how much the listener is supposed to be "moved" by Be In My Video or He's So Gay anyway. Soul can be a fucked up concept in the best of times, but with FZ it's not necessarily the point. If people are listening to Bobby Martin's performances to get their Soul fix, then I consider that 1 step away from my understanding of FZ right off the bat.

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O, I do get my soul fix from stuff like Envelopes, make no mistake :wink: Not to mention the gorgeous Incas etc. There's more to Zappa than the cerebral concepts, you know - there's also the glassy- eyed part.

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