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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:24 am 
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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:39 am 
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Vai's most definitely better than most of the "guitar greats" in the sense of melody. I very much liked the orchestral work he did 'n all. Combined with his superior chops, I can imagine he could make anyone feel insecure about his own playing, unlike, say, Yngwie Malmsteen who just makes me happy I'm not a guy. Me I stopped playing guitar 'cos I can't hold them without being in pain in ten minutes.


Guitar Greats? Like, Jann Wenner approved? Sure, most musicians are "better" than the rock establishments so called "greats".
But is this really forgivable??!..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz5w06Naq0c.


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:58 am 
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The 1980 Paris show was awesome for Frank's guitaring.
He was on fire!! And a Les Paul to boot!!
Two of his best solos one on Chunga's the other on Outside Now.
The Enema solo is pretty sweet too...


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:49 pm 
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Chungas revenge is always a highlight in any form. But yeah especially great show. I saw an interview with him where he stated his old style of playing was more to do with Johnny Guitar Watson but as he got into the 80's he played more like Clarence Gatemouth Brown. Anyone else agree?

I posted the interview on the Zappatube thread.

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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You're a saint.


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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downer mydnyte wrote:
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You're a saint.


I was swayed by the "custom made tights" :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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YAWYI: a couple of questions.
1/. harder than your husband - an expose of C&W hipocrisy? any homage at all?
2/. doreen - Im OK with it, but it sounds like a tune frank wouldn't like. A satire of hair metal? A vehicle for Ike?
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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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I don't know of FZ talking about the inspiration for either song. "Doreen" seems to me like a doo wop tune disguised as 80's arena rock.


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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Doreen sounds a lot like doo-wop disguised as metal and it's a vehicle for Ray, not Ike.


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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it's a vehicle for Ray, not Ike.

OK, thanks. Dang, I though it was Ike doing it on youtube :oops:
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Doreen fucking rules hard. A great vocal vehicle. Used to dislike the last minute or so of the song. But now I really enjoy the guitar wanking and the harmonies. YAWYI is an amazing album. I even like Coneheads nowadays.

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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OK, next question on my way to becoming a real fan:
Baby snakes is ace, but are there any longer versions of it?
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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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OK, next question on my way to becoming a real fan:
Baby snakes is ace, but are there any longer versions of it?
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There is a longer version available in a rehearsal from December 29, 1977, and from the show December 31, 1977, both of which you can find from Zappateers, with a sort of surf rock instrumental interlude. All others are just like the Sheik version (except for the SMPTE bit).


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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I need to get downloading from Zappateers. But I have no idea how. Can't see any torrents. I must be missing something that is right in front of me.

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Sign in and click on Seeds :wink: i think

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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YAWYI is one of the albums that I know I'll never like. Although I like Them Or Us. Not in Zappa's usual level though. :|

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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And my favourite 80's Zappa albums are Ship Witch, FZMTMOP, Jazz From Hell and The Perfect Stranger. Oh, and SUNPYG.

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YAWYI is one of the albums that I know I'll never like.


The first side is a bit scattered so try fast forwarding to Society Pages. If that doesn't help I guess you're correct that you'll never like it.


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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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I'm gonna like you Waka, I just know it... :)

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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I'm gonna like you Waka, I just know it... :)

I find those songs just plain uninteresting. BUT, I'll do what pzuby reccomends.

P. D: I hate Doreen. :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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I like "Doreen" but can't always sit through the coda of the YAWYI version.


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P. D: I hate Doreen. :evil:


I felt the same way with WRMF, TMFU, FZMTMOP but I eventually got into them and hell, even love them. Maybe one day buddy. Don't have to like everything though dude. That's not what the forum is about ;)

Doreen however is fucking killer. Ray is a vocal master. If he was in the '88 band it would have been the greatest band to ever hit the road.

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I'm gonna like you Waka, I just know it... :)

I find those songs just plain uninteresting. BUT, I'll do what pzuby reccomends.

P. D: I hate Doreen. :evil:


YAWYI is my least favourite Zappa album. The sound on it is terrible - I ended up buying three different copies of it because everybody kept telling me to look for a certain one that had better sound, and then I got the LP, ad that sounded terrible and then people told me "no,you have the German pressing, you need the Spanish one"... There are tracks on it that I like, particularly towards the end and Sinister Footwear, but I really hate the cross-referencing between the songs and the sound of the vocals.

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I like a lot of it.
charlies mouth / suicide chump / drafted are great tunes.
teenage / yawyi are good tunes too.
I can listen to most of the rest, except for goblin and jumbo.
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 Post subject: Re: 80's Zappa
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I agree with the sound quality of YAWYI. I don't have any international pressings, but every CD version I've ever owned seems to sound inferior to Tinsel Town or Ship Arriving?

But, I love the album lyrically. Growing up here in the "Bible Belt", those lyrics really hit home with me. Having to be subjected to country music stations everywhere I go, I find "Harder Than Your Husband" to be funny too.

And, come on. Ray knocks "Doreen" out of the park. Just my opinions.


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