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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:59 pm 
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I just listened to the penalty tracks on UM disc 2 and now I want to die. Anyone else sat down and listened to them in full in one sitting?

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Only once each, the first time I listened to the UM album. I kept waiting for something impressive, something melodic to emerge from the nonsense and the chaos; I wasted forty-two minutes of my teen-age life waiting :P

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I guess I'm crazy - I taped some excerpts from the excerpts onto the silent end of my Uncle Meat cassette. It's actually quite amusing to sit through the absurd dialog while driving, when it doesn't last longer than 12 minutes. I avoided the dreadful Tengo Na Minchia Tanta and as much as possible of Massimo Bassoli. It's funny how Phyllis continues along exactly the same lines after my 30 minute cut... A glimpse of insane perseverence... Another highlight is the moment when she doesn't find one page as funny as the rest - "oh, I'll just have to go on with my work." But the absolute killer moment of my special tape recording is when the sound man asks "can we stop now, Frank?" and Zappa says "sure!" right after giving detailed instructions about yet more angles. I guess that moment is more pregnant when it's immediately followed by blank tape, rather than ruining the opening of King Kong (which starts beautifully clean on the cassette, btw). Uncle Meat film excerpts - abserbity* in the extreme.

*abserbity - Southern Californian mispronunciation of "absurdity", heard by Frank Zappa on the UM film excerpts and Charles Bukowski elsewhere. I use it here to signify something that is so meaningless and idiomatic that it can't be explained by a rational, recognizable and universal concept, even when that concept denotes lack of meaning

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:28 am 
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I just wish when they re-released UM last year they could have either fucked off those 3 tracks or moved them after King Kong. It ruins it for me.

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Yes, it would have been good to have them after KK with several seconds between - as an option for crazy masochists and historians.

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I just wish when they re-released UM last year they could have either fucked off those 3 tracks or moved them after King Kong. It ruins it for me.


Rip tracks to WAV. Burn to 1 CD. Problem solved.

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I first heard Uncle Meat in the 1987 CD so the bit of noise left over at the start of track 4 disc two of Uncle Meat is part of "King Kong" for me.


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UM is the best production on an LP for my money by FZ. Just buy a record player and play the record.

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I would. BUT I only get a chance to listen to music at work and I can't take a record player into a busy kitchen. I need to work less :(

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i used to watch him eat and while he was eating id ask him what hes doing, and he'd say "i'm using the chicken to measure it."
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Their inclusion made me cross when it was first released

Plus that other Sicilian nonsense - take that stuff off and the proper album would have fitted on one CD

As it is King Kong is now on the second CD

Whatever was Frank thinking?

Well, whatever was Frank thinking....?





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Florentine Pogen wrote:
Plus that other Sicilian nonsense - take that stuff off and the proper album would have fitted on one CD



As I've posted other times...when Uncle Meat came out on CD in 1987 the consensus maximum length of a CD was 74:33 so UM would have been considered too long for one CD. Ironically, Ryko broke this length barrier a short time later by releasing an 80 minute single CD compilation of the punk band Mission Of Burma.


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Florentine Pogen wrote:
Their inclusion made me cross when it was first released

Plus that other Sicilian nonsense - take that stuff off and the proper album would have fitted on one CD

As it is King Kong is now on the second CD

Whatever was Frank thinking?

Well, whatever was Frank thinking....?





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If they buy for this they'll buy anything... And of course he was right.

Or it could have been an exercise in weeding out the so-called fans from the true fans :wink:


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King kong isn't to my liking enough for me to make the effort to put disc 2 on.
If it was on disc 1, I'd listen to it though.
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pbuzby wrote:
As I've posted other times...when Uncle Meat came out on CD in 1987 the consensus maximum length of a CD was 74:33 so UM would have been considered too long for one CD. Ironically, Ryko broke this length barrier a short time later


Indeed my dear learned friend

Indeed

Also, I am aware of this.

Of course, you are also correct regarding your final sentence above.

They should have waited

Yes, they should have waited.

Irrespective of any of the aforementioned there is no room for twaddle on a FZ record.

Nay, there is no room for twaddle on a FZ record




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Nay, there is no room for twaddle on a FZ record.

You got to define twaddle now.
IMO, every bit of twaddle on WOIIFTM is good.
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deuce wrote:
You got to define twaddle now.
IMO, every bit of twaddle on WOIIFTM is good.
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Not 'arf lad!

A no twaddle zone!








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King kong isn't to my liking enough for me to make the effort to put disc 2 on.
If it was on disc 1, I'd listen to it though.
TT


You're fucking crazy, kid. King Kong MAKES that record. Sometimes I'll just listen to that over and over. The other winners are Dog Breath, The Air and Electric Aunt Jemima.

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deuce wrote:
King kong isn't to my liking enough for me to make the effort to put disc 2 on.
If it was on disc 1, I'd listen to it though.
TT


You're fucking crazy, kid. King Kong MAKES that record. Sometimes I'll just listen to that over and over. The other winners are Dog Breath, The Air and Electric Aunt Jemima.


Uncle Meat version of KK bores me a little bit. I love Ahead Of Their Time version, though.


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The studio portion is worthy because of the Oozer's insanely mad swinging. I love that hi-hat work, especially.


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I love Motorhead's solo on the studio version.


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I blame John Cage. Not everything is music.


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And speaking of tengo na minchia tanta, does anyone think this song is a little ahead stylistically? I can't seem to place it in the context of 1969, it just seems like something that could have been written much later. Unless Zappa did something to it later on (i have the remastered version of Uncle Meat), i find its style remarkable. Hell, the song wouldn't have been out of place in the 80s, let alone the late 60s.


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Tengo was recorded in the 80's.

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