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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:03 pm 
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Reading this mornings paper (UK) there is an article on the new US entry requirements. and was reminded of Frank's classic  song from Yellow Shark.<br>Apparently what George wants me to do now (when my current passport expires) is <br>Travel down to London from Manchester (250 miles) <br>Queue round the block for a personal interview. (Not with Dubya you understand)<br>Be fingerprinted and have my photograph taken.  (Hey! but I'm innocent!)<br>Sign a form which asks, amongst other things "Are you a member of a terrorist organisation?"<br>Pay $100 dollars for the privelege. <br>Just to say guys, I love your country, but my tourist dollars will be staying this side of the ocean.<br><br>Hey its Friday!!  Lets get Bush out    8)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:06 pm 
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[quote author=Big_Al_UK link=board=general;num=1073639026;start=0#0 date=01/09/04 at 01:03:46]"Are you a member of a terrorist organisation?"<br>[/quote]<br>Yes. Yes I am.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:47 am 
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i understand how its frustrating for folks coming over here, but take a look from our point of view.  the US has always had open doors to the world, people come here because "its the land of opportunity."  we've been too lenient in letting "students" and other foreign folk for many years, and we paid the consequences with 9/11.  i think we should have had stricter entry measures in place long ago, but we didnt.  every country should do this imho.  i would expext the same measures when entering a foreign country abroad, they dont who the hell i am, so it wouldnt bother me giving up fingerprints etc.  perhaps another "cost of freedom" i suppose, and it's only gonna get worse. :o

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:40 am 
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[quote author=johnoppel link=board=general;num=1073639026;start=0#4 date=01/09/04 at 07:47:20]we've been too lenient in letting "students" and other foreign folk for many years, and we paid the consequences with 9/11. [/quote]<br><br>You really think that ? You really think that you had 9/11 because of your immigration ?<br><br>That I'd like you to explain !   ::)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:13 am 
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[quote author=Mij link=board=general;num=1073639026;start=0#5 date=01/09/04 at 08:40:06]<br><br>You really think that ? You really think that you had 9/11 because of your immigration ?<br><br>That I'd like you to explain !   ::)[/quote]<br>well they werent born here, were they?  most of em sneak in thru canada anyway, that border is huge and easy to get thru.<br>p.s- i didnt say immigration was the CAUSE of 9/11.  again twisting my words.  ::)  

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:21 am 
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wrong again mij - <br>9/11 did happen in part due to immigration and the fact that the USA is an open and free society - where else in the world can foreign nationals ( or citizens of their own country ) enter a country and then enrol in a commercial pilot training programme useing multi-million $ flight simulators  with such ease ? cause thats what the 9/11 terrorists did.<br><br>the whole biometric visa thing is again a result of the USA being a place that treats all with equality ( sorta ), the other option when trying to prevent terrorist entry to the USA would be just to detain/scrutinise/question those from or appearing to be from the middle east - ie. pull em over if they have a mostache and dusky complexion. <br><br>having said that i doubt that these measures will really prevent the determined terrorist from gettin into the states if they wanted to - most of these men are very young with no known previous terrorist histories - they are picked & sent there by their controllers for that very reason. <br><br>mungo

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:44 am 
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heres another claim to fame i dont like.  my cousin went to flight school in florida with one of the hijackers.  >:(

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:18 am 
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<<we've been too lenient in letting "students" and other foreign folk for many years, and we paid the consequences with 9/11. >><br><br><<well they werent born here, were they?  most of em sneak in thru canada anyway, that border is huge and easy to get thru...>> <br> <br> This is how "propaganda and misinformation" make americans; M.Johnoppel, you should read more and watch less "propagandist american tv and stupid shows". This stuff will make your brain turn into jello   and thats exactly what the Hawks in washington want (and please, don,t write here that Hussein did the 911, PLEASE!!). <br> Your Gov is lying to you (and is trying to do the same at foreign country but its not working outside hopefully), taking away bit by bit your "freedom" (Homeland Act, Patriot Act1 & 2 later, etc...) The next step that will guarantee the Reps & Corporate Gov to have the full lead of the USA is getting rid of voting; thats the last bit of liberty and democracy that is bugging them.....<br><br> May I suggest to you some readings;<br>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1585422762/103-8866564-8801405?v=glance<br>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0971394253/103-8866564-8801405?v=glance<br>http://www.historyamericas.com/Rogue_Nation_The_America_the_Rest_of_the_World_Knows_0771080050.html<br>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805062386/103-8866564-8801405?v=glance<br>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0930852400/103-8866564-8801405?v=glance<br>http://www.whatreallyhappened.com<br>http://www.opednews.com/patricia0104_Bush_Sucks.htm<br>http://www.blackboxvoting.com/<br>http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html<br>http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=22<br>http://www.serendipity.li/wot/psyopnews2.htm<br><br> There you go. You will be able to search by yourself now... <br> Forget about USA mainstream media; the are trying to hack your brain..... Behave before its too late...<br><br> Bonne chance!<br><br> "OO"<br><br> <br>

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And all that time I thought 9/11 was caused because of these things US Governments did throughout the last 50-60 years... <br><br>
  • US Foreign policies<br>
  • Military presences in other countries<br>
  • Putting dictators in place<br>
  • Crushing regime that don't please them<br>
  • Exploitation in some poor countries (Nike cheap labor)
  • Bombing foreign countries<br>
  • Refusing to play fairly the Capitalism game<br>
  • Refuting pollution treaties<br>
  • Lying when it fits<br>
  • Veto the UN<br>
  • Refuse that other peoples may choose another life style<br>
<br><br>And some others more... <br><br>Well, it could have fooled me !!!    ::)   ::)   ::)   ::)   ::)<br><br>NOW WE KNOW !!!  That anger could never had happened if Canada was not such an  easy passthrough, and if USA (not the folks, the whole administration government) wasn't such a so nice place where freedom (specially since Bush) flows so much (what about these medias ?).    <br><br>Thanks to you guys who know SO much about the world situation, not being blinded by your own prejudices, and who do really think that you're so GREAT. Of course, GOD is on US side, so it can do whatever it wants (don't they say the same thing on the other side ?)<br><br>And I was looking for the real reasons all that time !!! And asking myself the real questions !!! The ones prejudices prevent somes from asking. <br><br>Let us rise for the flag salute, gentlemen.   ::)   ::)

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Phew, well that started something.  A lot of red blood in the last few posts.  From my point of view I hate Bush and even though I voted for him, I now hate Blair, becuase he has turned into a right winger sucking up to Bush.<br>In my opinion, for what its worth, 11th September was a result of America's interventionist poilicies throughout the world an dsince then, of course this has been demonstrated amply in Iraq. NO WMD (of course) but lots of opportunities for Halliburton etc.  and general creaming off the top.<br>I wrote on my web site when Bush first invaded that this would turn into another Vietnam and people here pooh poohed me.  They misunderstood, Iraq will never be on the same scale as Nam, BUT it may well have the same impact!  Thankfully (hopefully!) it may well prove to be Dubyas downfall.<br>Get out there today to<br>a) ensure 2 people vote in November<br>b) they vote Democrat<br>(We owe it to Frank)<br><br> ;D

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:11 am 
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This is an interesting quote from a reader at the Whatreallyhappened.com web site.... It is well resuming my position and also the one from many ppls from countries outside of USA:<br><br>"READER: While "our" government attacks other nations preemptively to supposedly install democratic governments, the rest of the world is looking at the United States and probably wondering why it alone has the right to do so. A closer look at US domestic situation would certainly make one question if they really would want our present system to govern them. <br>1) We have an administration that survives by lying to the public. <br><br>2) We have an economy geared to the rich and powerful corporations that control our government covertly. <br><br>3) We automatically support a nation, Israel, that daily brutalizes a vastly outmatched civilian population in the name of counter-terrorism, whether there is terrorism against Israelis or not. <br><br>4) We have a government that quashes any overtures to peace, resorting to militarism instead of diplomacy. <br><br>5) We have an economy that takes from the poor and gives to the rich as millions of jobs go down the drain each and every day without any remedial actions by the government. <br><br>6) We have a government that provides cover and leverage to corporations as they go about robbing the American public blind. <br><br>7) We have a grossly and sadly misinformed populace, thanks mainly to a mainstream media that acts as a mouthpiece and cheerleader for an illegal government and its immoral actions and policies. <br><br>8) We have a government that abuses its own troops, failing to provide needed wartime equipment and failing to provide postwar benefits to veterans and their families. This government makes soldiers use radioactive ammunition, then turns its head when soldiers become sick from the radiation, claiming they are not covered by this "mystery" illness. <br><br>9) We have a government that foments strife in other nations as a catalyst to overthrow democratically-elected leaders who would provide for their own people and NOT provide special favor to American corporations. <br><br>10) We have a president who came into office by Supreme Court decision instead of a called-for recount of votes in Florida, where his brother presides as Governor. <br><br>I can go on and on, but I think this is enough to dissuade other nations from wanting to embrace our form of government. And Americans wonder why Iraqis and Afghanis fight a battle of resistance against this insanity? People on this planet who aren't under the umbrella of US propaganda certainly can see this administration and government for what it really is- an enslaver of the American people and an abuser of the rights of the common man. "<br><br>If you want to get by the page, => http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/letters/<br><br> "OO"<br> <br><br> <br>

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dude you guys should relax a little bit.  the thread is about getting in to the US, thats it.  now you all go off on a tangent saying you believe this you believe that. give a fucking break!  btw every gov lies, you think your shit dont stink?  i originally said the entry measures should have been stiff the whole time, thats all.  9/11 just threw it in our face. ::) ::) ::) ::)  again, that must be the brainwashing/propaganda talking.  just luv to start spats about america....dont we? ::) ::) ::)

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What we really need to do here is:<br><br>1 - Round up all the mother fuckers who are here illegally and SHIP THEM THE FUCK BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM!!! Problem sovled.<br><br>2 - NO MORE VISAS from any country... NO MORE!!! FUCK 'EM. All the fucks do is come here to use us anyway. They get school, healthcare for free etc... FUCK THAT!!! STOP IT NOW!! FUCK 'EM<br><br>We need to take care of here 1st!!!!<br><br>Have a nice day!  ;D

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May I suggest that USA history told us that "foreigners" made (build) the country....<br><br> How absurd is Life sometimes.....<br><br>  "@@"

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[quote author=oOOo link=board=general;num=1073639026;start=15#15 date=01/09/04 at 12:03:23]May I suggest that USA history told us that "foreigners" made (build) the country....<br><br> How absurd is Life sometimes.....<br><br>  "@@"[/quote]<br><br>Agree. To carry on that idiomatic logic, we would have to give the country back to the Indians ! Let's do it ! <br><br>Go on, everyone back to Ol' Europe ! Myself included. Not that I wouldn't feel at home elsewhere.  <br><br>BTW, good post you did, oOOo.

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[quote author=LumpyGravy link=board=general;num=1073639026;start=15#17 date=01/09/04 at 13:13:05]<br><br>Well, I'm not here (in the US) illegally, I paid a shitload of dollars to be able to come here; VISA fees, medical exams, application fees etc. Not to mention that I had to wait 6 months for my work permit. That's a pretty big income loss! What have I gotten for free? Nothing!<br><br>Thanks for the welcome greeting, JayP! A nice day to you too!<br><br>PS. In a perfect world there wouldn't be any foreigners...<br>[/quote]<br><br>maybe if you would have stuck a dirty bedsheet on your head u woulda made out better!! hahahahahaha

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[quote author=LumpyGravy link=board=general;num=1073639026;start=15#17 date=01/09/04 at 13:13:05]<br><br>Well, I'm not here (in the US) illegally, I paid a shitload of dollars to be able to come here; VISA fees, medical exams, application fees etc. Not to mention that I had to wait 6 months for my work permit. That's a pretty big income loss! What have I gotten for free? Nothing!<br><br>Thanks for the welcome greeting, JayP! A nice day to you too!<br><br>PS. In a perfect world there wouldn't be any foreigners...<br>[/quote]<br>the assholes have fucked it up for legitamite peops like u lumpy, and its real unfortunate.  if people come here to work and PAY TAXES like the rest of us then "foreigners" are cool with me.  ....and about the mexicans bush is gonna set up, at least they work and dont blow shit up!! haha

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give the land back to the injuns mij ? - thats if you can find an any injuns in quebec to give it to - you fascist french fanatics massacred all of em as a matter of routine ( and those who escaped the slaughter soon sucumbed to the dreaded french syphylis ! ) - hitler and stalin combined learned all there was to learn bout mass - liquidation from you vichy loving isolationists . <br><br>besided, knowing you i doubt yer sincerity bout " giving " back the land to the natives as you put it - if you had an ounce of good intentions you would know that - IT AINT YER LAND TO GIVE  - its theirs - YOU STOLE IT OFF EM .<br><br>dont worry though - one day justice will be done - if any injun terror group wants to start burning down frenchie homes, plantin bombs in frenchie reasturants or machiegunning busloads of frenchie school kids they will have my full support  - and you will have nobody but yourselves to blame. <br><br>also teach YOU a lesson for your support for SADDAM and HAMMAS and PRETTY MUCH ANYONE WHO KILLS A YANK. <br><br>lord gimme a friggin break<br><br>mungo

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[quote author=LumpyGravy link=board=general;num=1073639026;start=15#21 date=01/09/04 at 13:49:23]<br>About the mexicans... do all of them work as "landscapers" and drive around on lawnmowers?  ;D <br>[/quote]<br>yes they do!  in herds!  haha.<br><br>as fer the injuns...at least we let them have their casinos...and guess whos laughing now??

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