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Another Jupiterian "storm"? :shock:

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Dammit Bat ... THAT'S MY WIFE'S TIT !!

How'd you get that picture ???

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Dammit Bat ... THAT'S MY WIFE'S TIT !!

How'd you get that picture ???

Why , I outta :wink:
Well, y'ain't always right where she is! (And I'm kinda partial to that one..... there's a few more hairs on the other two that the camera catches -- but I like the triple set! :mrgreen:

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Dammit Bat ... THAT'S MY WIFE'S TIT !!

How'd you get that picture ???

Why , I outta :wink:
Well, y'ain't always right where she is! (And I'm kinda partial to that one..... there's a few more hairs on the other two that the camera catches -- but I like the triple set! :mrgreen:

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http://www.world-science.net/othernews/ ... nsions.htm

the Large Hadron Collider goes online every minute now. Also on www.space.com

Already heard of the Bell-theorem? If someone knows about theee book describing quantenfizzix, we'd be much obliged, tellingya.

..on my book either the STS-122 fails the comp. tasks or the visit from the_m many jowls wearing cosmo-polites will not happen ... in the year of the jumping frog ;.)

..they are alre!!y l8.

pssssshd- the formula for measuring time when closing on C.... w8...

oh, we-kidd http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

and spey' will shrink on approximating C, so the universe is our oyster.

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Already heard of the Bell-theorem?

Yeah; actually I studied it in college. It's fascinating and very weird.

In the 1930s, Albert Einstein and Neils Bohr argued back and forth about the validity of quantum mechanics. Einstein didn't like the Uncertainty Principle, a basic conclusion of quantum mechanics that says you can't know everything. Specifically, you can't know the position and momentum of a particle simultaneously.

Einstein thought that was bullshit, and designed an experiment to violate the Uncertainty Principle. But the experiment couldn't be done at the time, and Einstein died thinking he had knocked over quantum mechanics.

In 1965, an Irish physicist named John Bell showed why Einstein thought he was right. If you did the experiment properly and still got the uncertainty predicted by quantum mechanics, there has to be some way for information to travel faster than the speed of light. This is Bell's Theorem.

In the late 1970s, a French physicist named Alain Aspect figured out how to do the experiment. His results confirmed the uncertainty predicted by quantum mechanics. But Aspect's results could have been caused by some other error than quantum uncertainty, so the experiment has been repeated numerous times. Every time, quantum mechanics has been shown to be correct. So according to Bell's Theorem, something has to be traveling faster than light (or maybe even backward in time).

It's crazy. And science isn't supposed to be crazy...

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A further aspect is that when two elementary particles gets, forgot the expression, synchronized, all their features known and entangled, one can take one to wherever and ask it, the left behind twin has still got the same attitude; ..even when you change e.g. the spin ??!?, the pair reacting simultaneously ??!? (once we've placed them lot all over the show the instUnt messaging is established, innit?)

Oh, they did lighter than light communiCATions, me having only problems with paradoxea. (all else is so easy)

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Speaking of Quantum Physics (a topic which fascinates me to no end), here is an intersting quantum physics take on the meaning of "Lost" (the TV series). If you're not a fan of this show, go ahead and skip this, because it won't make much sense.

The Great "Gedanken Experiment"


Let's go back to shortly after the turn of the Twentieth century, the days
of Einstein and other early theoretical physicists. This was the dawn of the
age of quantum mechanics, which provided new understanding and insight into
physics at the sub-atomic level. New mathematics described the behavior of
the tiny particles that make up all of matter in the universe. The math was
clearly described in terms of numbers, symbols, formulas... however the
application to nature as we know it was strange, weird, bizarre.

It was very difficult to wrap the human brain around many of the concepts of
quantum mechanics, and the math alone was inadequate to explain the
problems. Thus, physicists and mathematicians turned to "Gedanken
Experiments," German for Thought Experiments. Applying the known concepts of
quantum mechanics to situations in the "real world" allowed a conversation
to take place in a way most anybody could (sort of) understand.

Before I lose you, here is an example. In the mathematics of quantum
physics, time travel is THEORETICALLY possible. One of the most famous
Gedanken Experiments is the Grandfather Paradox. If you could travel back in
time, could you kill your grandfather? Logic tells you that no, you could
not, for if you did, you would not exist. (Pause here and consider why Locke
insists that "he can't" kill his father, he needs somebody else to do it.)
The beautiful thing about Gedanken Experiments is that they are both
scientific and philosophical, perfect fodder for a creative writer. In the
case of the Grandfather Paradox, while they logic is clear, the actual
experience of it is a mystery. Imagine actually standing there in the past,
holding a loaded gun to the head of your grandfather... what would actually
prevent you? "Something" would, some unknown mechanism of physics... and
that is where the writers of "Lost" imagine for us.

"Lost" is a grand Gedanken Experiment, a test of science and philosophy. It
asks the question, What if time travel were not only possible, but real,
with technology developed in a manner as realistic and consistent with known
theoretical physics as possible? And to make it even more dramatic, What if
you could travel back in time, AND NOT KNOW IT? The passengers of Flight 815
have done exactly that, and the writers have made the audience go along with
them, sharing the same sense of confusion and mystery.

Let's talk about what we know about time travel today. We are not talking
about cheesy movies of the past, where one can travel back to the age of
dinosaurs or the middle ages. In fact, in the "real" science of time travel,
a few things are known by the constraints of physics and quantum mechanics.
There is a conceptual model of a real time machine, and it works something
like this:

A time machine must have two parts, essentially two portals, connected by a
wormhole (or black hole or whatever you want to call it). Door #1 is built
alongside Door #2. Door #1 is allowed to continue along the "present"
timeline, while Door #2 is encapsulated in a bubble within space-time, thus
separated from the present timeline. This would require a great amount of
energy and technology obviously unknown today... but thanks to the writers
of "Lost," it has been solved by Dharma Industries. The amount of separation
would be only slight to begin with... say, 108 minutes. Since Door #1 exists
in the present timeline, it can safely be located anywhere (Dharma
headquarters?). Door #2, now operating in a different place in space-time,
in the past, must be safely located in a remote location, for any type of
interaction with it from the outside could be catastrophic.

There is a very important concept in time travel here, which is that you can
NEVER travel back further in time than the creation of your time machine;
Hence the impossibility of visiting the dinosaurs, etc. Now, if the two
doors of your time machine were separated by only 108 minutes at the initial
"event", but then allowed to just sit there, then both timelines would
progress at the same pace, forever separated by only 108 minutes. Traveling
to the past, but only by 108 minutes, would not be very interesting. Much
more exciting would be to keep Door #2 back at the original time of its
inception, while Door #1 continues to move forward in time. You could do
this by continually "resetting" the clock on Door #2. Over time, the
separation between the two doors would grow and grow, from minutes, to
hours, to days, to years.

If you actually had the technology to achieve time travel in this manner,
there are MANY profound questions you would have to test and answer in order
to be confident that you could safely operate the time machine without
catastrophically altering the future. The Grandfather Paradox is the most
obvious, but actually only one of many questions.

ANSWER #1: What is the Dharma Initiative? It is the building and testing of
a time machine, as described above. Door #1 is at the Dharma Headquarters,
Door #2 is on the Island in the remote South Pacific.

The question isn't, Where is the Island? The question is, When is the
Island? The answer to that depends on how long ago, in the present timeline,
the time machine was created... approximately 14 years ago, I believe.

ANSWER #2: Why must the button be pushed every 108 minutes? This "resets"
the clock of Door #2 of the time machine, essentially holding it at the time
of its inception in the relative past. If allowed to pass 108 minutes on the
clock, then the time machine will lose the ability to reset itself. Why,
then, must it be pressed by a person, and not just programmed to reset
itself? This is because the controllers at Door #1 do not have control over
Door #2 in the past, and should disaster strike, and nobody is left alive in
the past at Door #2, it should be allowed to pass 108 minutes and no longer
reset. ANSWER #3: What happened when the clock was allowed to pass 108
minutes? Door #2 of the time machine lost the ability to reset, and will now
continue to progress along a timeline into the future, locked at
approximately 14 years separation from Door #1.

What are some of the other critical questions, like the Grandfather Paradox,
that must be answered when considering time travel? Here is a great one:

What if a childless woman travels back in time and conceives a child? ANSWER
#4: A childless woman cannot travel to the past and conceive a child,
because if she did, she would not have been a childless woman. In "Lost",
both mother and child die before the birth, thus preserving the timeline and
laws of nature. Perhaps the Others do not fully understand this, and brought
in fertility doctor Juliet to see if they can overcome this obstacle.

Consider another:

What if a child travels back to a time before he or she was born? Perhaps
nothing... but what if the child dies in the past, before being born? Again,
impossible. ANSWER #5: The Others abduct children on the Island to protect
them at all costs, for they cannot allow the catastrophic violation of the
laws of nature of a child dying before being conceived.

And yet another:

If you travel to the past, will you be the "you" of the present timeline
when you arrive, or the younger "you" of the past, or some combination of
the two? I do not know, but I believe this offers insight into why John
Locke can walk on the Island despite being paralyzed. ANSWER #6: Locke can
walk not because the Island has powers to cure, but because he has traveled
back to a time BEFORE he was ever paralyzed. He is somehow a blend of the
Locke of the present and the Locke of the past.

Who is Ben? I believe he is the creator of the time machine. The Others are
his associates living in the time-space bubble around the Island and Door #2
of the time machine in the "past." They are managing it and testing the
effects of time travel, and strictly controlling who exits this bubble into
the outside world.

How does one arrive at the Island? There are two methods of traveling to the
site (and time) of the Island. First is the controlled method via Door #1 at
Dharma Headquarters. It is not via plane, submarine, or any other
traditional method of transportation.

The other method is in the accidental collision with the time-space bubble
that surrounds the Island, as happened with Oceanic Flight 815, the
Portuguese woman's helicopter, etc. Despite the many theories that abound in
online forums, the Others did not know that Flight 815 was coming or going
to crash at the Island. It was a chance encounter. It was a disaster that
created a paradox... what happens to a plane that crashes in the present,
while entering the past? This leads to the question of whether the
passengers are alive or dead, answered by talking about a cat.

Schrodinger's cat, to be specific. Again, quantum mechanics can be very
strange. One of the strangest behaviors in particle physics is known as
Superposition, which is the ability of a particle to occupy two different
states simultaneously (like up and down, left and right, here and there,
etc.). In the world we know, you cannot be both here and there, but in
particle physics, a world of probability, chance, and duality, you can. How
can one imagine this? Another great Gedanken Experiment was conceived, as
follows:

Place a cat in a sealed, steel box, along with a bottle of poison. In
addition, a radioactive element is placed within the steel box. The decay of
this radioactive element triggers a hammer, which breaks the bottle,
releasing the poison and killing the cat. For the observer, outside of the
box, you do not know when this radioactive decay happens. Because of the
laws of Superposition, the radioactive element can occupy both states
simultaneously, for the briefest moment. For that blink in time, the bottle
is both broken and intact... the cat is both dead and alive, at the same
time. This is a puzzle of science, but more important perhaps is the
philosophical question of what does it mean to be both dead and alive?

ANSWER #7: The passengers of Oceanic Flight 815 are dead at the bottom of
the ocean. AND they are ALIVE on the Island. They are both dead and alive. I
told you that you would love this one. Since they are alive in the "past" of
the Island's timeline, can they return to the present in which they are
dead? I guess that is the ultimate question that we will have to watch the
show to find out.

A suggestion of an answer is found in Locke's/Sawyer's father. We were led
to believe that he died in a car accident, and finds himself here on the
Island. Of course he would think he's in hell! We believe that somehow Locke
"willed" him here, but that was actually never said on the show. In fact,
Ben said to Locke, "you brought him here." Perhaps what he means is this:

ANSWER #8: Locke's father did not die in the accident. I believe that we
will find soon that Locke is going to leave the Island. The question that
nobody asked Locke's father was when did the accident happen? See, Locke is
going to return to the "present" timeline, and is going to pursue his
father. He is going to find him, perhaps he is even going to cause his
accident. He is going to drug and kidnap him, unable or unwilling to kill
him by himself. He is somehow going to get him to Door #1 of the time
machine and send him to the Island, where he already knows that Sawyer will
kill him. Locke is going to "bring him here" to the Island... he just hasn't
done it yet. When he is on the "outside" in the present, why is he going to
do this? Because he has to, because it is destiny... for on the Island, it
has already happened. You know Locke loves destiny.

I could go on and on. Why is there a zoo with polar bears? ANSWER #9: The
animals are on the Island for testing the effects of the various paradoxes
associated with time travel. Perhaps another reason is that by keeping and
preserving endangered animals, like polar bears, within this bubble in the
past, there is a resource for their recovery should they become extinct in
the future. Consider it a Noah's Ark.

How do the Others know so much about the passengers of Flight 815? ANSWER
#10: The Others have had perhaps years, with Dharma Industries in the
present timeline at Door #1, to research each of the individuals, and
transmit this information to the Island. To the audience and the survivors
of 815, it seemed like the Others instantly knew about them. However, it
likely required years of research to compile the files.

There are still mysteries that remain, and stories that we do not know how
they will play out. With this explanation, though, the behavior of the
Others is understood. They must protect the timeline AT ALL COSTS. That
makes them seem evil to the survivors of 815, but in reality their
intentions are to prevent catastrophe.

There are many other stories I haven't touched, but they are all consistent
with this basic theory. This includes Desmond's apparent "time loop" he is
experiencing, and many others.

So there it is. Or, I'm out of my mind. Time will tell.

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oh wow. ..will be edited tamara

(wondering that things are still in my brain after all this ..u name it, years and suddenly can even draw the most exciting conclusions)

-.Sjooper sunny say-n-'tis'. ..till then, rockers, apocalypse in 13/7 .... 66clouds (not the appropriate slang) on the 6° 0' 0" East. Longitude. C Ya.

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MentalTossFlycoon wrote:
Mondstar wrote:
Already heard of the Bell-theorem?

Yeah; actually I studied it in college. It's fascinating and very weird.

In the 1930s, Albert Einstein and Neils Bohr argued back and forth about the validity of quantum mechanics. Einstein didn't like the Uncertainty Principle, a basic conclusion of quantum mechanics that says you can't know everything. Specifically, you can't know the position and momentum of a particle simultaneously.

Einstein thought that was bullshit, and designed an experiment to violate the Uncertainty Principle. But the experiment couldn't be done at the time, and Einstein died thinking he had knocked over quantum mechanics.

In 1965, an Irish physicist named John Bell showed why Einstein thought he was right. If you did the experiment properly and still got the uncertainty predicted by quantum mechanics, there has to be some way for information to travel faster than the speed of light. This is Bell's Theorem.

In the late 1970s, a French physicist named Alain Aspect figured out how to do the experiment. His results confirmed the uncertainty predicted by quantum mechanics. But Aspect's results could have been caused by some other error than quantum uncertainty, so the experiment has been repeated numerous times. Every time, quantum mechanics has been shown to be correct. So according to Bell's Theorem, something has to be traveling faster than light (or maybe even backward in time).

It's crazy. And science isn't supposed to be crazy...

Is it?
I've wondered for a long time, after being reminded of it here, to whom the Niels Bohr quote, "Your theory is crazy, but not crazy enough to be true", was originally directed. I can't find its reference.
But closely akin to the "Uncertainty Principle" is the "Disturbance Principle": The very nature of any phenomenon or phenomena you attempt to study or investigate is immediately altered by your investigation of it. A Jr. High School/Middle School illustration of that would be if you intended to determine the temperature of a tub of water you can never know its actual temperature because the instrument of measurement -- in this instance a thermometer -- will disturb the actual temperature of the water simply by being introduced to it no matter what knowable adjustments are made to minimize its disturbance. There is always an unavoidable degree of disturbance, however small -- and what we may regard as small may be much greater than what we have satisfied ourselves to regard as small.

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Batchain1001 wrote:
I've wondered for a long time, after being reminded of it here, to whom the Niels Bohr quote, "Your theory is crazy, but not crazy enough to be true", was originally directed. I can't find its reference.

Apparently he said it to Wolfgang Pauli:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Niels_Bohr

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.. the underlying quantumfroth (zero point energy) the impossible quantumleap, though it's whappening, etc.... understood this withy space flight? and time? ... reali'y is more int'resting than that life at the moment, .... i'm ready for FuntuhSea inner minute mumpff (30days), http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/ in 123seconds.... ... .. .


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(have read a few books in the mid80ies, and now the puzzle puts itself together - sussed this out in one of these warm Winter-mornings; Northern Hemisphere) fancy you are accelerating with 1g, this is ~10m/s, earthly conditions then. C is 300 000 000 m/s, devided by 86400 sec equals 347 days; almost C, 'cos it's not completely achievable due to energy necessities would tend to reach the infinite, ..in less than half a year. But that's not so important, since relativity effects will get noticeable from 2/3 C onwards say. Are these reckonings correct or am i right?

While we are approaching Approxima Centaury the time for others go relatively faster, but who gives a hoot? The second effect holds that space contracts as well, so our voyage can be done in ..u name it. Here we see: universe's continuum is as strange as one could imagine, innit? (act. under a year in above example - speed it upper bit we are everywhere in less than a twinkling of the third ay-ay. ..we'd need a proper astro/navigator.

..now the interesting facts about Quantenfizzix have to be ...stunning stats.


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Well now, since were on the topic of physics....I think you should all check this out. It could be a moment in history...or not!

Surfing Physicist proposes theory of Everything! And the answer is not 42.


http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/dn12891-is-mathematical-pattern-the-theory-of-everything.html

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MentalTossFlycoon wrote:
Batchain1001 wrote:
I've wondered for a long time, after being reminded of it here, to whom the Niels Bohr quote, "Your theory is crazy, but not crazy enough to be true", was originally directed. I can't find its reference.

Apparently he said it to Wolfgang Pauli:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Niels_Bohr
Ah! Thank you, MTF!

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I can't believe I found this negative!
It's one of my favorites and I lost it about 8 years ago, I found it last week, and it prints a lot better than your screen is showing, I made some 12x18's yesterday on metallic to punch the stars through). :)

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Above is comet Hyakutake in Spring '96, (Pentax 50mm, Kodak Gold 400, F2, 8 minutes, camera mounted on polar aligned telescope to track the sky during exposure).

Below is a (through the telescope), photo only a backyard astrophotographer could love....It's unusual because it was taken the same night as the above Hyakutake photo...below is Hale-Bopp still more than a year away. Two ultra rare comets photographed on the same film , (that opportunity will likely not have a chance to repeat for another 3900 years...minimum, and even the odds of that are very unlikely...400:1). :)

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Below is Hyakutake with Delphinus (the dolphin), in the pre dawn sky, (the photo is light on the bottom because that's the dawn coming).

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I had a great time with Hale-Bopp, I got a lot of fun pictures(:

Below is Hale Bopp, still about 6 months away, with globular cluster M14. This one's neat because generally speaking we can't see very far towards the center of our galaxy because there's too much matter blocking the view...but cluster M14 is on the other side of our galaxy but up out of the disk of the galaxy and therefore we have a clear view by looking up over the center of our galaxy. M14 is about 74, 000 light years away, (our galaxy's disk is roughly 100, 000 ight years across).


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To get a shot like the above, I got the plots for Hale Bopp, then plotted them on a star map. The field of view for the scope in this configuration is less than a square in the map below...so on the nights when the comet is near enough to M14 (near the 11-1-96 point on the line), the photo is available...this combination was close enough together for 3 nights :)

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Above is Hale Bopp with the North American nebula, (slightly reddish, look for the gulf of mexico). The blue tail is the ion tail, the white is the dust tail.

The below is a natural color sky, there were no color corrections. It was a ten minute exposure about 45 minutes after sunset, (when the sky moves through the spectrum after sunset). The camera was mounted on top of the telescope (as in the hyakutake shot above - not shooting "through" the scope as in the others above), and the shutter was open ten minutes at F2, in order to track the comet. Power was removed 8 minutes into the exposure to stop the scope drive and allow the tree branches to burn in, (so they wouldn't be blurry from the 8 minutes of camera motion in the beginning of the exposure, stopping the motion allowes the branches to "sharpen").

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that's a big blast from my past baddy!
thanx!
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Cool telescope there, baddy. I bet that put you back a pretty penny.

I have an Orion XT-12. My wife calls it "The Water Heater." Unfortunately it's no good for taking pictures: just an equatorial mount for the thing would cost a fortune. But it's great for lookin' at stuff...

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MentalTossFlycoon wrote:
Cool telescope there, baddy. I bet that put you back a pretty penny.

I have an Orion XT-12. My wife calls it "The Water Heater." Unfortunately it's no good for taking pictures: just an equatorial mount for the thing would cost a fortune. But it's great for lookin' at stuff...


Hey, a light bucket...those things are awesome, a ton of bang for the buck...all the money into the optics, and none into a drive. If you don't mind "no photos," they are superb at everything else. Our scopes have another similarity that I think is better...mine came out (8" meade LX7), before all the new computerized target locators came out, both your's and mine force you to learn the sky because you can't just punch in "GOTO M74," ...you have to find it on your own...and as a side benefit of this you are also forced to improve your "hunting eye" (and averted vision), for finding the faint stuff, so imho, non computerized scopes make one become a much better observer, much faster.

I got mine for 1/3rd of a pretty penny, lol, I practically stole it. I had been naked eye and binocular observing for a while and wanted to get a second hand scope. I set a $500 limit, (figuring on a light bucket actually). I saw an ad in the paper and went to see it...the guy had the LX8 with a lot of extra godies, about $3500 worth of stuff. He had bought it, tried it 3-4 times and couldn't find anything..and gave up. I told him it was real nice but out of my price range, that I could offer him $900 max, but it was worth way more. I thanked him, shook his hand and headed for the car...I got two steps from the door and he said "Hey," and caled me back. He said "you got cash?" I said five on me, I gotta go to the bank for the other four...he said, "this thing aint doin me any good sittin im my attic for the last foiur years, it's yours.

I couldn't believe it :) :)

The first five time I went out with it I didn't have much success, but finally figured out how to get it polar aligned, and spotted a couple of things. I remember I wanted to see the ring nebula, and after 7 -8 times out couldn't find it, and was getting really bummed that I had bought something I wasn't going to be able to figure out, (I was going on my own from books, I had never been to a club or star party). Then I found the ring and started, with great difficulty, to find other things...

...then I bought a 2" 40mmm Super Wide Angle eyepiece from meade, (I think it was 3-4 hundred), and my whole world changed, I started finding targets one right after the other, anything I wanted, I found. Boy those two inch eyepieces are worth every penny...one two inch eyepiece calculated for about a degree and a half of field is the way to go. Later, I scrapped the stupid field reversing finder scope and made a mount for my binocs to use as a finder scope...it's a little heavy on there, but with 2 eyes looking and 2x 56mm of light gathering power(Celestron 8x56's), the binocs kick ass over anything else for a finder scope :)

I had found my hot setup, and the rest is history :)

I'm through the Messier list, but have not sorted out all the galaxies on Heartbreak hill, (virgo cluster). I've seem 'em all (including the NGC objects), but sorting out WHICH galaxy is which M object (or NGC object), still has to be done to complete the list...that's where I'm at on the list...


...but there's also a lot of fun stuff that's not on the list...like this :)

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The tripod mounted time exposure not only brought out the planets, but it smoothed out the water nicely too. I think the above will repeat in another 29 years, (period of Saturn)....Mercury's tuff, lol, elusive :)

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Great Photo, I am partial to the southern cross

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This is known as Stephan's Quintet. Noone knows why Stephan is so happy...

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