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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:29 am 
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There's a WAL-MART store in Jonquière, Québec. The employees asked for Union, which is a right everyone here has. No company, no boss, no one can't stop them from doing so. It is part of the Law here and WAL-MART knew that when they bought the old WOOLCO. Smile, they only bought the ones that weren't unionized (the  ones who were were not making money they said), so these unionized WOOLCO stayed vacant for a while, and WAL-MART opened new stores at these places, non-unionized of course. Apparently, now they're making money. Life is strange, so strange... <br><br>Result ? That Jonquière WAL-MART will close its door May 6th. Why ? Out of a sudden, they don't make money enough. Non-profitable. Pretty curious, isn't it ? Are we going in circle or what ?<br><br>Today, WAL-MART bought a full page in the Papers. They were apparently adressing their employees. They said that they were sorry, that they had a rough time these last few days, that they care, and all that jazz... Well, these last few days, they made folks here angry, very angry. And that is not very good for the business. Angry people tends to boycott. Shocking, isn't it ? That ad in fact was adressed to the government and the regular buying folks. A strong mention was made about their 10,000 employees, which gives a signal to the government to change its law. Hopefully, it won't happen.<br><br>When a WAL-MART comes to town, what's happening ? With their huge monstruous buying power, the pressure they put on every link of the production chain, beginning with that twelve years old girl in some poor country who gets a full 4 cents out of a blouse WAL-MART will sell to you at 19.95$, to the grossists that have to lower their price to a minimum to get their stock on the shelves, they create the Poverty Circle. Stores in Center-Ville close cause regular folks owning these stores can't compete. They fire their employees. No more jobs. Center-ville becomes a place of bars and grills (there goes the neighborhood). No more commerce openings. People are living out of welfare and social security. And when you have so little money in your pocket to spend, where do you go for your needs ? Right, WAL-MART.<br><br>Thats the peak of the Capitalism Evil.<br><br>If Union is the way to get rid of this "Poverty Circle",<br>[center] LET'S DO IT !!! [/center]<br>Have we found a cure to Savage Capitalism ? I know Union doesn't always have good press but sometime, it's the only way to get a fair share of the cake. Ironically, employees are called "Associates" in the WAL-MART culture. Looks like "Associates" don't weight very much if you can get rid of them so easily.<br><br>And I've heard that New-York stopped WAL-MART from opening a store there. Funny...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:33 pm 
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Walmart causes the closing of all small store. Now these people with no money, try desperately to save as much money as they can so they shop at Walmart. Walmart creates poverty and besides its a shit store to shop in. And of course these pigs think they are above the law. Using illegal workers or minors to operate heavy equipment these bastards should be forced to close and clean up before they can open again. No fine will stop them they can pay it no problem. I bet they just laugh at the labor laws.


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[quote author=Mij link=board=general;num=1108412950;start=0#0 date=02/14/05 at 12:29:10]they create the Poverty Circle. Stores in Center-Ville close cause regular folks owning these stores can't compete. They fire their employees. No more jobs. Center-ville becomes a place of bars and grills (there goes the neighborhood). No more commerce openings. People are living out of welfare and social security. And when you have so little money in your pocket to spend, where do you go for your needs ? Right, WAL-MART.[/quote]<br>Yeah. And eventually everybody will work at Walmart, too. The former employees of the local bar and grille will work for The Walmart Bar and Grille, located between the refrigerated foods aisle and the barbeque pits, which are currently on sale.<br><br>Where I live was once an industrial area. Now it's retail stores and fast food joints; that's about all there is here anymore. Of course, we have a Walmart. It's going to be torn down soon to build a SuperMegaMosterMotherfucker Walmart. The current Walmart will be leveled to make a bigger parking lot for the Super-Duper Walmart they are going to build on all the surrounding land they bought. Its birth will kill off the remaining grocery stores in the area for sure.<br><br>
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If Union is the way to get rid of this "Poverty Circle",<br>[center] LET'S DO IT !!! [/center]<br>
<br><br>It doesn't work that way, though. The unions have no power over Walmart. Walmart holds all the cards. It's like a crack junkie telling their dealer "We are not going to deal with you any more! You aren't fair!" The dealer says, "Really? I'm the only dealer you have. You need me more than I need you."<br><br>So unions are impotent against Walmart. A boycott could hurt Walmart, but you could NEVER get enough people behind that to make it effective. Shit, you can't even get them out to vote for a President...there's NO WAY anybody can organize them to boycott Walmart.<br><br>No doubt, we're doomed. Just go get fitted for your blue vest now, and be sure to put a bunch of shiny pins on it. All that shit they call "pieces of flair" in Office Space.<br><br>Or start your own service oriented business. But not auto. Walmart already has that covered.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:08 pm 
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[quote author=Mij link=board=general;num=1108412950;start=0#0 date=02/14/05 at 12:29:10]With their huge monstruous buying power, the pressure they put on every link of the production chain, beginning with that twelve years old girl in some poor country who gets a full 4 cents out of a blouse WAL-MART will sell to you at 19.95$, to the grossists that have to lower their price to a minimum to get their stock on the shelves[/quote]<br><br>that 12 year old girl is doing my old job now.<br><br>the job i did for 23 years until wm outsourced me ....<br><br><br><br><br><br>i hate wm

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:11 pm 
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I know Union won't stop WAL-MART. But it seems to have its effect on the one in Jonquière. <br><br>But what if ?... It's maybe the last defence against that heartless corporation. That, and blowing them up. Imagine an inland generation of Terrorists rising up to stop the madness ? Like former "associates", folks who lost jobs, local stores... Stop me, I'm daydreaming. <br><br>I don't know for you out there, folks, but I'll try my best to never shop there anymore.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:17 pm 
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[quote author=sir galoot link=board=general;num=1108412950;start=0#4 date=02/14/05 at 15:08:05]<br>that 12 year old girl is doing my old job now.<br>the job i did for 23 years until wm outsourced me ....<br>i hate wm[/quote]<br><br>Sorry to hear that. And I'm sure you were paid more than that. <br><br>In my case, programming jobs are going India and China. Sure, I can't blame WAL-MART for that. But I blame the GREED of these huge Corporations, and those Governments who are supposed to act as a watch dog to protect us, even against our natural tendency to save 10 cents on a pair of Boxer.<br><br>And if you can't stop the GREED and force your government to act as it's supposed to do, well... it's things like that that makes me say that we're doomed.

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[url=http://www.futurefeedforward.com/front.php?fid=63]wal-mart tags shoppers with subcutaneous cookies (dec-28-03)

walville, ark.--[/url]responding to public requests from privacy advocates, retailing giant wal-mart agreed wednesday to release details concerning a newly-implemented system for tracking shoppers in its stores. "we understand that there is some sensitivity surrounding this initiative," notes wal-mart spokesman joel scent, "and we want to be entirely upfront and open about the program and the ways it will benefit our shopping family. we've been testing the system in a few pilot stores--we've made no secret about that--and now, with that experience behind us, we're ready to talk about the program."

tested over the past three months in 23 stores across the u.s., the tagging system, known as the in-store cookie system, or ics, uses a proprietary combination of electro-magnetic and channeled-particle beams to produce a persistent, informationally-significant, quantum-molecular structured excitation just beneath the surface of the skin. "it's really quite simple," explains scent. "the ics muzzle is positioned with our security cameras at a store's entrance. as a shopper comes in, the system sends out a series of invisible beams that harmlessly arranges some of the molecules in her forehead. initially, the molecules are arranged to encode some information, just a unique identifying number, but during the course of the engagement the cookie might be extended with some additional codes to help us customize and improve the shopping experience."

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:37 pm 
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[quote author=Mij link=board=general;num=1108412950;start=0#5 date=02/14/05 at 15:11:10]Imagine an inland generation of Terrorists rising up to stop the madness ? Like former "associates", folks who lost jobs, local stores... [/quote]<br><br>Now THAT I can easily imagine. And it would be easier to organize than a boycott, too! :D<br>

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[quote author=Mij link=board=general;num=1108412950;start=0#5 date=02/14/05 at 15:11:10]I know Union won't stop WAL-MART. But it seems to have its effect on the one in Jonquière. <br><br>But what if ?... It's maybe the last defence against that heartless corporation. That, and blowing them up. Imagine an inland generation of Terrorists rising up to stop the madness ? Like former "associates", folks who lost jobs, local stores... Stop me, I'm daydreaming. <br><br>I don't know for you out there, folks, but I'll try my best to never shop there anymore. [/quote]<br><br>I am from there , originally, and the "Woolco story" makes no sense here. Woolco died many many years ago  and was replaced by a Zeller at "Les Galleries de Jonquière" and this Zeller will probably takes the place of the W-Marde (aka Wal-Shit for our english friends here) at the new location (which is full of big stores), near the new highway.<br><br>My second thought is, no tears for W-Marde because what it will do is it will make local stores to reopen, and business to become again local. So I am not sad for the employees. Its good for the area.<br><br> And Saguenay plls are well-known to be proud so work is of no fear to them.<br><br> Bocoytt W-Marde wherever they are.<br><br> "OO"<br><br>

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[quote author=oOOo link=board=general;num=1108412950;start=0#9 date=02/14/05 at 19:01:36]<br>My second thought is, no tears for W-Marde because what it will do is it will make local stores to reopen, and business to become again local. So I am not sad for the employees. Its good for the area.<br>[/quote]<br><br>That's why when a WAL-MART is closing, we should rejoice ! They all should close.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:06 pm 
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mij wrote:
...but i'll try my best to never shop there anymore.

nobody's forced to spend $$ at w-mart, but they do; if people were seriously anti-walmart, they'd keep shopping at the mom & pop shops & put w-mart out of biz

if people were serious, they pass anti-big-box retailer laws to keep those fuckers out of their city...

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barring big-box stores; sf taking steps to lock out wal-mart
retail giants such as wal-mart would be banned from san francisco under legislation to protect smaller stores considered by a board of supervisors committee monday.

'wal-mart and those other large retailers have been making a very aggressive push into the bay area. it threatens existing jobs and small, neighborhood-serving businesses'...
blah blah blah



never been in a walmart, or plan to

isn't it, like, sub-sears-quality offshore products ¿

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:49 pm 
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In fact, W-Marde are selling things fews cents lower so where is the big deal, really??<br><br> "Oo"?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:27 pm 
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In fact, W-Marde are selling things fews cents lower so where is the big deal, really??

"Oo"?


what do the following 17 zappa cd's have in common:


70 hits when googled zappa on the wal-mart website

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list price: $13.98
our price: $11.88
you save: $2.10 (15%)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:31 pm 
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I prefer to go to stores where plls knows what they are selling........<br><br>I just went by "Free-Son" on Mt-Royal street friday which is a little shop selling used CDs/DVDs and I found a VDGG box set I never know about "The BoX". I talked with the guy there etc.It was fun.......<br><br>The BOX was 84.99$cdn........<br><br>On Amazon, its 122$usd......<br><br>I am sure W-Shit do not have it.......<br><br>We can continue on and on.....<br><br>I would buy FZ cds at amazon.ca before W-Shit even if its 2$ more...<br>Thats what we call a political choice.....<br><br> "OO"

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Wal-Mart is coming to a little town not far from my school.<br><br>The commercials for local businesses around here become more and more pathetic for those who know.<br><br>Sadly, the redneck population here (98% of the total population) in this hellhole of a tri-county area just doesn't care, because they're so desperate for jobs.<br><br>Today: "Wal-Mart'll really help the community!"<br>Tommorow: "Hey, where's our Farmer's Co-op?"<br><br>There's one really interesting case around here, though...<br><br>A fairly larger town about a half-hour from mine has had Wal-Mart, K-Mart and a Sam's Club for the past 9-10 years. Yet, they've got many local businesses there that seem to be thriving. There's even a local cell phone retailer who had the nerve to place their establishment mere yards from the Wal-Mart and Sam's Club parking lot- they've been there for a number of years now!<br><br>Wal-Mart probably isn't going to close there anytime soon, but it's mighty interesting that they did not chase away all the local business.<br><br>Who knows, though. That case may be why they're bringing in a Target and a Kohl's now.

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[quote author=oOOo link=board=general;num=1108412950;start=0#14 date=02/14/05 at 23:31:02]I prefer to go to stores where plls knows what they are selling........<br>I just went by "Free-Son" on Mt-Royal street friday which is a little shop selling used CDs/DVDs and I found a VDGG box set I never know about "The BoX". I talked with the guy there etc.It was fun.......<br> "OO"[/quote]<br>I know that place. For the last 2 or 3 years. The best place for getting that rare Prog-70 CD. The guys there are top notch and old enough to know better.<br><br>This kind of market, WAL-MART can't touch. But they're making plenty of money with "Celine Dion" and all that crap. So, local disks stores had to close anyway. Only specialised stores may stay open and not fear. Does it amount at least 10% of all the stores ?

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[quote author=Homsar link=board=general;num=1108412950;start=15#15 date=02/15/05 at 04:18:47]Wal-Mart probably isn't going to close there anytime soon, but it's mighty interesting that they did not chase away all the local business.[/quote]<br><br>I think the trick for survival for independent businesses is to offer something Walmart doesn't offer. You can't beat them on day-to-day essential items, but you can survive if you offer a service or product(s) that Walmart doesn't offer. <br>

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We have a Walmart close by. Since it's opened, many of the local businesses have either closed down or moved, including (this past year) the only good record store in this area and a grocery store. (There may be more, but I can't remember.) There are other grocery stores around, but what are you going to do if you want to buy clothes/electronics/etc. and you don't have either the means to shop online or a way to drive an hour away to find a store that isn't Walmart? That's one MAJOR thing that sucks about living in a small town.

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Just a word to say that the full page WAL-MART put in the papers two days ago, well, it didn't work too well for them.<br><br>A recent poll shows that the percentage of those who'll never buy there went from 9% (before the Jonquière incident) to 22%. And the Unions here didn't ask for a boycott yet.<br><br>Will it be the same in a couple of months ?  

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i work with the local teamsters union in colorado and as much as i think unions protect the lazy asshole they do some good for the workers as far as protecing their rights. i fully support a unionized walmart and hope it happens here in the states soon. wal-mart yer goin down biatch. although with high up friends in the white house i don't think it'll happen anytime soon

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