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 Post subject: Re: Xenophobic Arizona?
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:18 am 
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Lets also not forget that most of the hype being generated is simply to cash in on votes, in this respect Obama is as phony as the rest of them.

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Lets also not forget that most of the hype being generated is simply to cash in on votes, in this respect Obama is as phony as the rest of them.
Exactly, nail on the fuckin head BRAVO...and it's not even a root cause problem...our illegal immigrant problem a symptom of NAFTA, which in turn is a symptom of lesser evils voting to give power to corporate politicians in who pushed NAFTA through...

8.5 million people have been driven across the border since 1995, since Clinton pushed NAFTA through...a "surge" of a different sort.

Funny how so many problems come down to voting for corporate cheerleaders instead of voting for the good (far less monied), politicians...

There's a ton of info on the web of how NAFTA drove millions off their Mexican farms and out of their other jobs, but I'm in a hurry now, I'm sure you guys can all find the info on the web if yer interested...

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 Post subject: Re: Xenophobic Arizona?
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Remove that decimal point. it's more like 85 million!

here is a quote I thought was right on the money on a yahoo story about this same subject.
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This Story is raw propaganda. Look at the Title, "Could Immigration Furor Create Positive Evolution". That phrase puts a positive spin on the demonstrations coming in the wake of the new AZ law. Then the call for boycotts surrounding the law is compared to King's boycott efforts surrounding civil rights. But that's a false comparison, King was working for expanding the rights of people who were already citizens, legal citizens. Then the story frames the whole matter in terms of race, which isn't what it's about, instead the fact is that the law addresses the lack of Federal enforcement of its own laws. Finally a bold faced lie is presented as news which totally misrepresents that effect of the law with these words about it, "The law requires police to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally.". That's not true, police will only question someone about their immigration status when they come in contact with them in a normal proceedure of police activity. In other words the police will not be expanding their activity beyond the current level. This is how propaganda works, distortion and misrepresentation to influence opinion on a mass level. It's not news. For a real dose of propaganda, listen to Oberman or Maddow any old night, they're absolute examples.

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Joe Arpaio es muy estupido!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgOlBi5nLAs&feature=fvhl

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muy Estúpido :lol:

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I have a permanent resident card. a so called 'green card.'

I had to wait about five years for it. and I had to renew my work permit a couple of times during that wait.
and, all the applications, and renewals, over the five years, cost me a lot of money... blah blah blah..., and so on...

anyway; in the paperwork I received with the card, it says 'always carry your card in the united states and show it when you reenter the united states.'

so, considering all the protests about this arizona law, I thought that I would suggest to the immigration services to change the importance of even having to possess a green card, to something like this:

'of course, if you are an illegal latino/hispanic immigrant who should happen to read this worthless piece of information, you do not need to worry, because you do not even need this card in the first place. you are free to live and work in the usa just like any other american. anything else would be a threat to the constitution and your civil rights. if you should be caught without a permanent resident card/work permit, please contact us, and we will get a lawyer for you. we all feel so sorry for you, and we all love you.'

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 Post subject: Re: Xenophobic Arizona?
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yea right who pays for the lawyer?

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
yea right who pays for the lawyer?

that would be you and me... americans and legal immigrants all pull together for our poor cousins from the south...

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Bad idea, carry ID just like every one else in the usa, If you don't have it with you it will only take a short time to prove your legality.

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Funny how in other countries they line people up outside the bus and have machine guns and ask for papers yet here you only have to show a card if they catch you doing something wrong. Oh that is so racist!

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
Bad idea, carry ID just like every one else in the usa, If you don't have it with you it will only take a short time to prove your legality.

are you getting that I'm being sarcastic? 8)

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
Dohh

ok. got it. 8)

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Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

The Los Angeles city council has voted to boycott Arizona businesses in one of the strongest moves yet against the state's new immigration law.


Council members agreed to bar official travel to Arizona and avoid new city contracts with state firms.

Last month, Arizona passed a law requiring police to check the immigration status of people suspected of being in the US illegally.

Opponents have rallied against the law, saying it encourages racial profiling.

Several cities have enacted resolutions condemning the law and tens of thousands of people across the US have joined protests against it.

Travel ban

The Los Angeles legislation now goes to the city's mayor, who has pledged to sign it. It could affect up to $8m in city contracts and travel.

LA is the second-largest city in the US, and 39% of its population is foreign born.

"As an American, I cannot go to Arizona today without a passport," Los Angeles Councilman Ed Reyes, one of the resolution's sponsors, was quoted as saying by the LA Times newspaper.

Among other measures, the LA bill would bar most official city travel to Arizona and direct city departments to avoid signing new contracts with Arizona businesses.

Its cost to Arizona is unclear, although a co-sponsor of the measure estimated it would affect $7m to $8m in city contracts.

A spokesman for Republican Arizona Governor Jan Brewer called the boycott "thoughtless and harmful".

"It also appears that the Los Angeles city council appears hopelessly out of touch with most of America on this issue," spokesman Paul Senseman said in a statement.

'Reasonable suspicion'

The Republican-controlled Arizona legislature approved the controversial law last month after declaring Washington had failed to curb illegal immigration.

The Arizona law requires police officers to question people they stop for a "legitimate reason" about their immigration status if the officers have "reasonable suspicion" the person is in the US illegally. It takes effect on 29 July.

Opponents of the Arizona law say it will encourage racial profiling of Hispanics, who make up three-quarters of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the US.

Several cities across the country have denounced the measure. A non-binding resolution approved on Tuesday by San Francisco city supervisors asks sports leagues not to hold championship games or tournaments in Arizona.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8679091.stm

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.... now the dog in the pan is getting a little insane ....


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Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

The Los Angeles city council has voted to boycott Arizona businesses in one of the strongest moves yet against the state's new immigration law.
...Its cost to Arizona is unclear, although a co-sponsor of the measure estimated it would affect $7m to $8m in city contracts...

Unless, of course, the business deals are picked up by other cities/contractors, in which case the boycott would make no difference, to Arizona, at all.

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Just hijack the trucks delivering string beans to Utah tonight...

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Some team wouldn't go to a national championship because it was in Arizona. Can't remember the sport.

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Some team wouldn't go to a national championship because it was in Arizona. Can't remember the sport.

Submarine racing.

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Chess?

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Hilarious.

No, it was a junior baseball league of some kind I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Xenophobic Arizona?
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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
Lets also not forget that most of the hype being generated is simply to cash in on votes, in this respect Obama is as phony as the rest of them.
Exactly, nail on the fuckin head BRAVO...and it's not even a root cause problem...our illegal immigrant problem a symptom of NAFTA, which in turn is a symptom of lesser evils voting to give power to corporate politicians in who pushed NAFTA through...

8.5 million people have been driven across the border since 1995, since Clinton pushed NAFTA through...a "surge" of a different sort.

Funny how so many problems come down to voting for corporate cheerleaders instead of voting for the good (far less monied), politicians...

There's a ton of info on the web of how NAFTA drove millions off their Mexican farms and out of their other jobs, but I'm in a hurry now, I'm sure you guys can all find the info on the web if yer interested...



Loooong before NAFTA, our (America's) manufacturing jobs were already on Exodus to places like Mexico thanks to the weakening of labor unions by lovely leaders like Reagan, Ford, Nixon and HW Bush. The Tea Party types will never acknoledge or admit that the flood of American jobs to foriegner's/illegals was initiated by their patron saints. In Michigan, the auto and furnature industry took the hit shortly before GHW Bush oiriginally drafted NAFTA. Blaming Clinton and Obama is merely a distraction from the original culprits. Not saying Dems don't share some of the blame, but it has always primarily been a Right-Wing Neo-Conservative issue to kill manufacturing and unions in favor of greed.

Another way to look at the issue of gaining votes versus cheap labor and how they relate to Reps and Dems is even more obvious which side is on the moral high ground is this simple statement.......

"Liberal Democrats do little to nothing to stop illegal immigration for humanitarian reasons. Conservative republicans do little or nothing to stop illegal immigration purely for the cheapest possible labor because slavery is no longer legal in the USA."


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Hilarious.

No, it was a junior baseball league of some kind I think.


It was a girl's high school basketball team from the north suburbs of Chicago, but it wasn't a championship. It was a 2011 tournament. Apparently some of the players are latinas. They say they will find a different tournament to go to next year instead. They said the decision is not political, whatever that means. They also say they are concerned about their latina players' safety in AZ.

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Why should people want to live in arizona anyway?

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
Lets also not forget that most of the hype being generated is simply to cash in on votes, in this respect Obama is as phony as the rest of them.
Exactly, nail on the fuckin head BRAVO...and it's not even a root cause problem...our illegal immigrant problem a symptom of NAFTA, which in turn is a symptom of lesser evils voting to give power to corporate politicians in who pushed NAFTA through...

8.5 million people have been driven across the border since 1995, since Clinton pushed NAFTA through...a "surge" of a different sort.

Funny how so many problems come down to voting for corporate cheerleaders instead of voting for the good (far less monied), politicians...

There's a ton of info on the web of how NAFTA drove millions off their Mexican farms and out of their other jobs, but I'm in a hurry now, I'm sure you guys can all find the info on the web if yer interested...



Loooong before NAFTA, our (America's) manufacturing jobs were already on Exodus to places like Mexico thanks to the weakening of labor unions by lovely leaders like Reagan, Ford, Nixon and HW Bush. The Tea Party types will never acknoledge or admit that the flood of American jobs to foriegner's/illegals was initiated by their patron saints. In Michigan, the auto and furnature industry took the hit shortly before GHW Bush oiriginally drafted NAFTA. Blaming Clinton and Obama is merely a distraction from the original culprits. Not saying Dems don't share some of the blame, but it has always primarily been a Right-Wing Neo-Conservative issue to kill manufacturing and unions in favor of greed.

Another way to look at the issue of gaining votes versus cheap labor and how they relate to Reps and Dems is even more obvious which side is on the moral high ground is this simple statement.......

"Liberal Democrats do little to nothing to stop illegal immigration for humanitarian reasons. Conservative republicans do little or nothing to stop illegal immigration purely for the cheapest possible labor because slavery is no longer legal in the USA."



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