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It's like a rather long mantra, isn't it?

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No one, I think, is in my tree. I mean, it must be high or low. That is you can't, you know, tune in but it's alright. That is I think it's not too bad.


Totally, dude.

That cracked me up! It made me think, "what if DB was actually writing that song"...

Absolutely NO ONE is anywhere near my tree. I have PROOF that it must be high or low. That is YOU can't, you know, tune in and it is FUCKING HILARIOUS because I bet you are a socialist. That is, me and Ron Paul are more like Frank Zappa than you.

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I recall FZ saying he turned down the Libertarian Party on their offer to run as their presidential nominee. If anyone knows where I can read that again, I'd appreciate it.

note to disco boy: this has nothing to do with you so don't read into it.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:02 am 
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http://www.afka.net/articles/1988-02_Buzz.htm
"DT: Have you ever thought of running for public office?

FZ: Yeah. I was contacted by the Libertarian Party. They came here, and they wanted me to run for president on their ticket. And, I said, "Well, show me what your platform is ... And if I like it, I'll consider it." This guy flew here from Norman, Oklahoma, and we had, like, a 5 hour meeting right here in this room. That was about 3 months ago, just before their convention. And, I went thru their platform, and I studied it, and I looked at it, and some of the stuff I liked, and some of it I didn't. And I said, "I can't really stand up and support your platform whole heartedly because some the stuff you have in here is either wrong or stupid. And, in order for me to be a candidate for your party, would they, in fact, nominate me if I couldn't be an ideologue and go the whole 9 yards." And, he said it was doubtful they would support you at the convention if you didn't just spew the whole thing. And I said; "Well, I'm not your bot. Thanks a lot. Goodbye."

He also goes on to say that he would support the Democrat Mario Cuomo as next presidential candidate in 1988...
"DT: ... Is there anything you feel you want to say at this point we've missed?
FZ: Yeah! The most important thing! Why doesn't Mario get off his ass and run?! I mean, that's the most important thing right now. I mean, here's a guy who, I feel is letting the country down if he doesn't run. I don't care what is lurking in his background. I don't care what's in his fucking closet. I don't care who his friends are. This is a [guy] who can win! He's smart. He's tough. He's gotta get his ass out of that fucking ... state house, and into the White house ... and you can tell him I said so. I'll be saying the same thing on stage in Albany...."


He describes Gary Hart as "....an empty, plastic, yuppie from Colorado, who should stay in Colorado! Get out there! Go eat the fucking groat cakes! Go to a barbecue with John Denver, but stay out of the fucking White house!"

Jesse Jackson gets short shrift:
"Well, when I saw Mario give that speech at the democratic convention after the one when Jesse Jackson made his big speech ... Jackson was nothing, Cuomo made sense, he had balls, he made sense, he was delivering the goods, I thought, "Why, in the fuck, isn't this guy running?" And, gradually, people said, "Yeah ... well ... maybe you ought to ... " Who knows what pressures are on, keeping him from doing it""

Pete Dupont "...Pete Dupont is not bad. I don't really have that in depth knowledge about his background, but he seems to be a reasonable kind of a guy, not too right wing."

As to the rest...
"Bob Dole has leadership qualities, but he's directly tied to the Reagan administration, and he's a close, personal friend of Jesse Helms. That turned me off to him. Al Haig knows quite a bit about military industrial complexes, if you want an iron fisted cretin in there, but I don't trust him any further than I can throw him. George Bush is a weasel, no question. Pat Robertson is a fucking menace, and Kemp should have stayed in sports ... So, what do you got, on the Democratic side? Gephardt is uh ... his idea for fixing the trade imbalance is a formula for disaster. Albert Gore is not a stupid man. I kind of like Al. He's got some strengths, but his biggest liability is that weasel in the blue dress. Now, Simon ... If you really want a rerun of Harry Truman, he ain't the guy to pull it off. I liked Harry Truman. I'm old enough to remember Harry Truman. He was cool. Simon wants to be a cross between Harry Truman and Roosevelt, and it ain't gonna happen. He just doesn't have the stature. Dukakis did great in fixing his state up, but that is not a man who's going to sit across the table from Gorbachev, no fucking way! He's too short.

And, Jesse Jackson is a demagogue, who's interested in only one thing, Jesse Jackson. Robert Tennyson ... is a megalomaniac, and he's also a minister. I don't want any hint of religion of any description infecting the laws of this country . You get a state of religion, and there is going to be big problems. Government is a business. It is not the way Robertson or Jackson try to describe it like the opportunity to wage some moral campaign to suddenly fix everybody up. What they 're talking about is one specific brand of morals that I don't ascribe to, and they 're not happy with the idea that that particular set of rules will be turned into a law, and then enforced with a gun, later."

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The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
downer mydnyte wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:
No one, I think, is in my tree. I mean, it must be high or low. That is you can't, you know, tune in but it's alright. That is I think it's not too bad.


Totally, dude.

That cracked me up! It made me think, "what if DB was actually writing that song"...

Absolutely NO ONE is anywhere near my tree. I have PROOF that it must be high or low. That is YOU can't, you know, tune in and it is FUCKING HILARIOUS because I bet you are a socialist. That is, me and Ron Paul are more like Frank Zappa than you.


Hey Hey Hee Hee get off of my tree


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RETURN. OF. THE. RETURN. OF. THE. SON. OF. ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

MORE ad hominems thrown at me, yet NO ONE (especially Caputh and his perpetualized verbosity-riden-sinewy-smothered-pseudo-intellectual-diarrhoea-induced rants) here or in ANY thread regarding these or possibly any other topics, can provide compelling evidence to the contrary to disprove my points (apart from a few select grammatical errors). Big. Fucking. Surprise.

Yep, just another day here on the (socialist denial) Z forum.

Oh...and remember, most of Frank Zappa's beliefs were Libertarian-based... :wink:

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Caputh wrote:
http://www.afka.net/articles/1988-02_Buzz.htm
"DT: Have you ever thought of running for public office?

FZ: Yeah. I was contacted by the Libertarian Party. They came here, and they wanted me to run for president on their ticket. And, I said, "Well, show me what your platform is ... And if I like it, I'll consider it." This guy flew here from Norman, Oklahoma, and we had, like, a 5 hour meeting right here in this room. That was about 3 months ago, just before their convention. And, I went thru their platform, and I studied it, and I looked at it, and some of the stuff I liked, and some of it I didn't. And I said, "I can't really stand up and support your platform whole heartedly because some the stuff you have in here is either wrong or stupid. And, in order for me to be a candidate for your party, would they, in fact, nominate me if I couldn't be an ideologue and go the whole 9 yards." And, he said it was doubtful they would support you at the convention if you didn't just spew the whole thing. And I said; "Well, I'm not your bot. Thanks a lot. Goodbye."

He also goes on to say that he would support the Democrat Mario Cuomo as next presidential candidate in 1988...
"DT: ... Is there anything you feel you want to say at this point we've missed?
FZ: Yeah! The most important thing! Why doesn't Mario get off his ass and run?! I mean, that's the most important thing right now. I mean, here's a guy who, I feel is letting the country down if he doesn't run. I don't care what is lurking in his background. I don't care what's in his fucking closet. I don't care who his friends are. This is a [guy] who can win! He's smart. He's tough. He's gotta get his ass out of that fucking ... state house, and into the White house ... and you can tell him I said so. I'll be saying the same thing on stage in Albany...."


He describes Gary Hart as "....an empty, plastic, yuppie from Colorado, who should stay in Colorado! Get out there! Go eat the fucking groat cakes! Go to a barbecue with John Denver, but stay out of the fucking White house!"

Jesse Jackson gets short shrift:
"Well, when I saw Mario give that speech at the democratic convention after the one when Jesse Jackson made his big speech ... Jackson was nothing, Cuomo made sense, he had balls, he made sense, he was delivering the goods, I thought, "Why, in the fuck, isn't this guy running?" And, gradually, people said, "Yeah ... well ... maybe you ought to ... " Who knows what pressures are on, keeping him from doing it""

Pete Dupont "...Pete Dupont is not bad. I don't really have that in depth knowledge about his background, but he seems to be a reasonable kind of a guy, not too right wing."

As to the rest...
"Bob Dole has leadership qualities, but he's directly tied to the Reagan administration, and he's a close, personal friend of Jesse Helms. That turned me off to him. Al Haig knows quite a bit about military industrial complexes, if you want an iron fisted cretin in there, but I don't trust him any further than I can throw him. George Bush is a weasel, no question. Pat Robertson is a fucking menace, and Kemp should have stayed in sports ... So, what do you got, on the Democratic side? Gephardt is uh ... his idea for fixing the trade imbalance is a formula for disaster. Albert Gore is not a stupid man. I kind of like Al. He's got some strengths, but his biggest liability is that weasel in the blue dress. Now, Simon ... If you really want a rerun of Harry Truman, he ain't the guy to pull it off. I liked Harry Truman. I'm old enough to remember Harry Truman. He was cool. Simon wants to be a cross between Harry Truman and Roosevelt, and it ain't gonna happen. He just doesn't have the stature. Dukakis did great in fixing his state up, but that is not a man who's going to sit across the table from Gorbachev, no fucking way! He's too short.

And, Jesse Jackson is a demagogue, who's interested in only one thing, Jesse Jackson. Robert Tennyson ... is a megalomaniac, and he's also a minister. I don't want any hint of religion of any description infecting the laws of this country . You get a state of religion, and there is going to be big problems. Government is a business. It is not the way Robertson or Jackson try to describe it like the opportunity to wage some moral campaign to suddenly fix everybody up. What they 're talking about is one specific brand of morals that I don't ascribe to, and they 're not happy with the idea that that particular set of rules will be turned into a law, and then enforced with a gun, later."



It's interesting that Frank Zappa expressed admiration for both Al Gore and Mario Cuomo. So much for another claim made by the person who posted immediately before this. :lol:


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The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
bsolutely NO ONE is anywhere near my tree. I have PROOF that it must be high or low. That is YOU can't, you know, tune in and it is FUCKING HILARIOUS because I bet you are a socialist. That is, me and Ron Paul are more like Frank Zappa than you.


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RETURN. OF. THE. RETURN. OF. THE. SON. OF. ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

MORE ad hominems thrown at me, yet NO ONE (especially Caputh and his perpetualized verbosity-riden-sinewy-smothered-pseudo-intellectual-diarrhoea-induced rants) here or in ANY thread regarding these or possibly any other topics, can provide compelling evidence to the contrary to disprove my points (apart from a few select grammatical errors). Big. Fucking. Surprise.

Yep, just another day here on the (socialist denial) Z forum.

Oh...and remember, most of Frank Zappa's beliefs were Libertarian-based... :wink:


"As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly."
(Proverbs, 26)
As it's now been 5 times, perhaps DB is repeating this post under the impression that if he licks up all the vomit, there won't be any folly left...

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Thank you, Caputh. Glad it wasn't a false memory.


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You're welcome!

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Unfortunately, it's apparent the below NEEDS to be posted once again...

RETURN. OF. THE. RETURN. OF. THE. RETURN. OF. THE. SON. OF. ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

MORE ad hominems thrown at me, yet NO ONE (especially Caputh and his perpetualized verbosity-riden-sinewy-smothered-pseudo-intellectual-diarrhoea-induced rants) here or in ANY thread regarding these or possibly any other topics, can provide compelling evidence to the contrary to disprove my points (apart from a few select grammatical errors). Big. Fucking. Surprise.

Yep, just another day here on the (socialist denial) Z forum.

Oh...and remember, most of Frank Zappa's beliefs were Libertarian-based... :wink:

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ad hominem-free zone


Disco Boy wrote:
most of Frank Zappa's beliefs


Did you know that if you play Revolution 9 by The Beatles, during the "number 9 number 9" part, it say's "turn me on dead man"?


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downer mydnyte wrote:
ad hominem-free zone


Disco Boy wrote:
most of Frank Zappa's beliefs


Did you know that if you play Revolution 9 by The Beatles, during the "number 9 number 9" part, it say's "turn me on dead man"?


Wtf?!

Dude, FZ wanted to:

~ legalize drugs
~ abolish income tax
~ reduce the size of Government and taxes
~ generally keep Government out of people's business
~ stated on CBS' Nightwatch in 1988, that, "...the GOP now has, as they say, enterprises on one side and moralizers on the other. I'm with the enterprises - let's get down to business." 11:02 - 11:12... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzJvaZVONSU
~ stated, "I'm interested in the capitalistic way of life, and the reason I like it better than anything else I've seen so far is because competition produces results." ~ 5-8-80

He even read the US Constitution to his kids and referred to himself in his auto-bio, The Real Frank Zappa Book, as a "Practical Conservative."

AGAIN, most of FZ's beliefs were Libertarian-based. Don't kid yourself...

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disco boy wrote:
AGAIN, most of FZ's beliefs were Libertarian-based. Don't kid yourself....

Don't kid myself? I'm talking about The White Album by The Beatles. I don't care what kind of political label you want to put on Frank Zappa. I'm fine with it. It's your label.


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Disco Boy wrote:
downer mydnyte wrote:
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Disco Boy wrote:
most of Frank Zappa's beliefs


Did you know that if you play Revolution 9 by The Beatles, during the "number 9 number 9" part, it say's "turn me on dead man"?


Wtf?!

Dude, FZ wanted to:

~ legalize drugs
~ abolish income tax
~ reduce the size of Government and taxes
~ generally keep Government out of people's business
~ stated on CBS' Nightwatch in 1988, that, "...the GOP now has, as they say, enterprises on one side and moralizers on the other. I'm with the enterprises - let's get down to business." 11:02 - 11:12... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzJvaZVONSU
~ stated, "I'm interested in the capitalistic way of life, and the reason I like it better than anything else I've seen so far is because competition produces results." ~ 5-8-80

He even read the US Constitution to his kids and referred to himself in his auto-bio, The Real Frank Zappa Book, as a "Practical Conservative."

AGAIN, most of FZ's beliefs were Libertarian-based. Don't kid yourself...

Maybe Barfko-Swill should take bullion as payment for their product? Nah, it wouldn't make any cents.


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Perhaps this interests you, Disco Boy.
Rand Paul's hopes for a flat tax.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/31/pf/taxe ... -flat-tax/

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downer mydnyte wrote:
disco boy wrote:
AGAIN, most of FZ's beliefs were Libertarian-based. Don't kid yourself....

Don't kid myself? I'm talking about The White Album by The Beatles.


:roll:

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I don't care what kind of political label you want to put on Frank Zappa. I'm fine with it. It's your label.


No, it's not my label. It's the reality regarding the majority of FZ's beliefs, which you seemingly can't admit to...

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I have to agree with DB that FZ came off as a Libertarian most of the time even if FZ rejected their pitch to run for prez because he "rejected their platform". Thankfully because I agree with DB on this issue I will not be reduced to offering up ad hominens in defense of his superior debating skills.


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I have to agree with DB that FZ came off as a Libertarian most of the time even if FZ rejected their pitch to run for prez because he "rejected their platform". Thankfully because I agree with DB on this issue I will not be reduced to offering up ad hominens in defense of his superior debating skills.


FZ rejected some of their platform...

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Zappa also chain smoked, so light up, teen age America!!


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downer mydnyte wrote:
Zappa also chain smoked, so light up, teen age America!!

FZ would have said "they're my (your) lungs, I (you) own them, I am ( you are) free to do with them what I (you) want as long as you don't hurt anyone else".


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FZ would have said "they're my (your) lungs, I own them, I am free to do with them what I want".

Damn straight.

And if you're a fan of Zappa you should adopt his libertarian based views. I thought they were reality based views, myself.


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downer mydnyte wrote:
KUIII wrote:
FZ would have said "they're my (your) lungs, I own them, I am free to do with them what I want".

Damn straight.

And if you're a fan of Zappa you should adopt his libertarian based views. I thought they were reality based views, myself.

I agree. I'm not a Librtarian btw. I reject some of their platform.


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FZ rejected some of their platform...


And he accepted some of their platform...

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