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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:45 pm 
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I get the joking about Hillary for President... but seriously for a moment, does anyone else think that there is a candidate out there who stands a chance in beating her? Democrat / Republican / Other? If someone thinks it should happen, great, if not, then what is to complain about? Women are dying for the chance for there to be a Woman President. They'll vote against party lines like they did for Obama, so there doesn't even need to be some secret cabal controlling it. I'm guessing there is a line of women who want to line up to tell you just how wrong it is to joke making fun of women for wanting one of their own to hold the office.

Perhaps us men need to explain to the women that it doesn't matter who is President. Everything that occurs under a presidents term would have occurred no matter who won the election. Turn off the deception machine for a couple of weeks (TV). Get a grip. What victory is it for women that a puppet has female anatomy? It's a slap in the face is all it is. Hillary is bought and paid for. It means nothing if a woman is the new speech reader of the USA. It might as well be a man because the president has no real power. If the US women don't understand that then that is far more tragic than the usual and irrepressible US sexism that we have all learned to accept.

Thats a fairly heady stew of paranoia. If it doesn't matter, then why is Hillary bought and paid for? If bought and paid for, why is your only solution to... turn off the TV? I can't tell if you are filled with righteous ennui, generalized antipathy, purposeful immobility or probably some 4th thing, but neither of us are qualified to decide what that is! :)

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Paranoia? Is it even possible to be alive and aware and not notice the menacing presence of a species gone mad? I'm completely sincere, Arkay. My solution is not turn off all news media, though. That's just a step toward freeing your mind from the endless barrage of misinformation. Misinformation designed to keep you in your place. My solution is get the hell off this planet and don't come back. I am living a pretty damn good existence and I feel very, very fortunate. I often enjoy life but I can see that us humans are a scary mess. "Virus with shoes" is what Bill Hicks said. That man would sound even more paranoid than me today if he were still alive. Of course, he'd be much funnier, but I'm trying.

Do you really think the powers that be are gonna let Hillary or Obama or anyone fuck with their program? (Their program being a world of happy slaves where they, the super wealthy, live in extreme luxury while billions of pawns grind away in constant fear of losing what little hope they have).


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There is one historical note that should be mentioned here. In recent history, or the last 120 years, America has almost always seen times of economic collapse and distress under republican administrations while economic recovery and prosper has almost always happened under Democrat administrations. Why is that the case?

While there are certainly big players who pull strings, primarily in the corporate and banking direction, the bottom line is still the bottom line.




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More Lies From Ron Paul

I was active in the libertarian movement and Party for over twelve years. During my time spent among them I noticed that, in a general sense, libertarians have no problem questioning or taking to task society's inconsistencies. But when one of their own or an outsider questions or disagrees with them many times libertarians tend to refuse to believe they are wrong or even go so far as to angrily demonize the dissenter for pointing out their hypocrisy.

Overall, libertarians claim they want to find out the truth but when faced with the facts they cling to their philosophy or preconceived beliefs like a religion rather than accept reality. A mentality similar to what is seen among left wing academics. In many libertarian's minds they are never and can never be wrong no matter if the truth stares them in the face. They are in complete and utter denial not only about Ron Paul's character but also the lies and misrepresentations he spews despite evidence showing that he does.

Lies, damned lies, misrepresentations, conspiracies and 9/11

For example, during a 20/20 interview with John Stossel Paul was asked about his support of a border wall. He stated he didn't like amnesty but also didn't like the border wall. In order to stop amnesty, Paul claims, he voted for the bill. A claim vaguely similar to John Kerry being against the Iraq war before he voted for it. If Dr. No was against amnesty for illegal immigrants and the border wall, the logical step would be to vote against such legislation.



Ron Paul also lied about the Iraq war and the reasons the U.S. invaded the country. He recently made a disgusting claim that the Bush Administration was gleeful so they could use the event to justify an Iraq invasion and later use it as a precursor for an invasion of Iran. It was a mistake for the U.S. to side with Saddam Hussein in Iraq's conflict with Iran and I think Hussein kept some of the weaponry supplied. But the fact is Hussein did possess chemical and biological weapons along with yellow cake uranium and had the infrastructure that would have been used in the manufacturing of chemical or nuclear weapons of mass destruction (WMD's). Hussein also supported terrorist groups and harbored individuals that would have or already attacked the United States and our allies.

Contrary to what Paul and antiwar libertarians allege President Bush did not lie about the reasons for the Iraq invasion. It was not part of some grand conspiracy to lay the groundwork for an Iran invasion, snatch up Iraq's oil, nor the President finishing what his father had started. Bush made a mistake later expanding on the reasons for the war which sounded like he was trying to change the rationale. The President declared during an address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001 that he would take the fight to terrorists and the countries that support them. The invasion of Iraq was consistent with the President's stated policy. Ron Paul has access to Congressional briefings and knew or had information available to him about the evidence of Hussein's support of terrorism and his possession of WMD's before, during, and after the invasion.

The 9/11 attacks occurred because of Islamic terrorism and not due to blowback resulting from U.S. foreign policy as Paul, some libertarians and hardcore leftists claim. It is wrong and immoral for them to resort to blaming America for such a tragedy and then accommodate scum like 9/11 Truth (so-called) organizations along with the conspiracies they further including praising traitors like Bradley Manning or publicity seeking, self-promoting, narcissistic manipulators like Julian Assange. It is a fallacious lie for Paul to deny he subscribes to conspiracy theories when he articulates such points essentially legitimizing them with his rhetoric. In addition to his gleeful statement, consider this quote from a fundraising letter sent to his supporters in 2007:

I don’t need to tell you that our American way of life is under attack. We see it all around us — every day — and it is up to us to save it.

The world’s elites are busy forming a North American Union. If they are successful, as they were in forming the European Union, the good ol' USA will only be a memory. We can’t let that happen.

The UN also wants to confiscate our firearms and impose a global tax. The UN elites want to control the world’s oceans with the Law of the Sea Treaty. And they want to use our military to police the world.


Individual rights, not state's rights

When it comes to gay marriage, Paul states that while marriage is a private matter he would leave such decisions on marriage to the states and supports enforcing the Defense of Marriage Act (a.k.a. DOMA). He knows full well that by denying gay couples the ability to legally marry, they would be unable to to use courts for divorce or inheritance resolution. A marriage license is the only document governments and insurance companies will accept for a marriage to be legitimate. Never mind that it is prohibitively expensive for couples (gay or straight) to establish trusts to legally protect their assets, wills or even signed agreements can be contested in a court of law. Oft times gay couples are subject to humongous tax rates in order for their partners to inherit the deceased loved one's wealth provided that a relative of the deceased does not challenge the inheritance.

The U.S. Constitution is designed so that all three branches of government exist equally to check one another's power. Limiting a federal court's ability to rule on cases related to liberty-infringing laws not only disrupts the checks-and-balances of the U.S. Constitution but is also an abridgement of individual rights. Paul's scheme results in people potentially being subject to a patch-work of state laws related to a variety of issues not only related to abortion, gay marriage, and sodomy but could include guns too. Imagine anti-gun politicians passing legislation limiting federal court jurisdiction on gun cases due to the precedent Ron Paul sets. Rights are for individuals not states and in our constitutional republic states are political subdivisions delegated certain powers greater than the federal entity. This is done in order to protect individual liberty when it is abridged by said jurisdictions invalidating federal, state, and even local laws that do so. While the courts do not uphold liberty consistently, their decisions that do (such as Lawrence vs. Texas, Roe vs. Wade, and D.C. vs. Heller) should be cheered and not jeered.

The facts about Hamas, Gaza and Israel

Despite what Ron Paul and other critics claim, Gaza is not a concentration camp, Israel is not an apartheid state, nor did the country's government intentionally help spawn Hamas. Prior to Hamas taking power, Gazans could leave the territory to work or travel including to take trips or work in Israel. In addition to turning the Gaza Strip into a terrorist base, in 2007 Hamas initially sealed the Israeli-Gaza border. Presently, there are numerous bureaucratic hurdles erected by Gaza immigration authorities that make obtaining a passport almost impossible for most Gazans to leave in order to work or escape living conditions there. Not surprisingly, Gaza residents fake illness or pay bribes so they can obtain papers to get out of the Gaza Strip. Consequently, it is also very dangerous for relief organizations and reporters to enter and remain in the territory since to do so would put their well-being or lives in jeopardy.

Hamas (a group who openly calls for the death of all Jews and the destruction of Israel) is one of many organizations that is an outgrowth from the Muslim Brotherhood. The group's origin was the result of backlash from some Gaza Islamists who perceived Yasser Arafat as capitulating to Israel. When it was discovered by the Israeli military in 1979 Hamas presented itself as a charitable organization and Gaza occupation commanders did not consider the organization a threat at the time since the group was not involved in military-oriented activities. In addition to also being financed by Iran, Hamas was also involved not only in charity but also able to spread it's fundamentalist ideology via religious instruction. As a result of their activities Hamas was able to build support among Gaza Palestinians in order to eventually grab control of Gaza from Arafat's PLO. Israeli forces made a stupid mistake of not scrutinizing Hamas more thoroughly and not trying to take the group down when they tangled with Arafat's Fatah faction in the 1990's. It was then that Hamas had revealed their military wing but Israel's main focus was to halt terrorism and other terrorist activities undertaken by the Arafat's Fatah PLO faction who was their main rival at the time.

In Israel proper, any Israeli citizen (regardless of race, color, religion, or creed) enjoys rights and liberties protected by Israel's constitution. There is a semblance of corruption but, overall, according to the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom, Israel is a Westernized country with a mostly free, strong economy along with institutions protecting economic and political freedom. If Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad did not sponsor or support terrorism, conduct missile attacks and were not supported by Islamist regimes (like Iran) Israel would not have to resort to stringent, bureaucratic internal security measures or to warfare which results in harm to Palestinian civilians. Hamas is responsible for the poor conditions in Gaza and it is they whom Palestinians need rescuing from. Hamas's support of terrorism and continuous rocket attacks result in the deaths of innocent Gaza and Israeli civilians. We also have yet to hear condemnations from Ron Paul and other Israel critics directed at Muslim states who have knowingly confiscated their Jewish population's money and property.

The Ron Paul Charade

Ron Paul puts on a convincing act of being a straight-shooting, kind, friendly, and honest man who is perceived by his supporters as being a maverick Congressman. However, if examined critically he is no different than the slick, two-bit politicians he claims to revile. Paul twists the truth, evades answering specific questions, or blatantly lies when he gets caught.

In the long run Ron Paul has shown himself to be nothing more than an abominable, silver-tongued siren of faux freedom who stalks around in the libertarian movement like a saint. It is time for libertarians to admit they have been had and that Ron Paul's campaigns for Congress and President are or have been nothing more than overblown self-promotion tours geared to enrich the candidate including those close to him.

It was wrong and immoral for Ron Paul to have pandered to racists and conspiracists using bigoted statements via his sleazy newsletters published with his business partner Lew Rockwell, and members of his family in which, despite his denials, he knew about them. Paul has a moral obligation to tell the truth not only about the economy (which he does very well), but also the newsletters published and signed in his name, and the issues he runs on as a candidate.

When it comes to their favorite Texas Congresscritter the question now comes down to which path will libertarians choose: the truth or mythology? If action is not taken their movement will continue to degenerate into a haven for bigots, racists, income tax cheats, self-promoting, paranoid conspiracy gurus, and anti-Semites resulting from Rockwellian influence. Ultimately, Paul's good points (if any) are overshadowed by the awful elements he attracts to his campaign that he either welcomes or is reluctant to kick out along with his lies and twisting the truth about issues.

Ron Paul should not be given the GOP nomination for President nor should any lover of liberty support him. Not only because of his ignorant and naive foreign policy but also due to his continuous lies and misrepresentations despite his image as an honest, maverick outsider.

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Democrats suck just as hard as republicans, libertarians etc. Wolves in sheeps clothing.



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There is one historical note that should be mentioned here. In recent history, or the last 120 years, America has almost always seen times of economic collapse and distress under republican administrations while economic recovery and prosper has almost always happened under Democrat administrations.

Why is that the case?

It's the obvious good cop/bad cop routine. You're either totally clueless or dishonest.


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...or like Arkay stated above, you're just paranoid, self-righteous and/or antipathetic.

Good cop bad cop? You're not serious are you? :lol: :roll:

Of course, none of that has anything to do with the bad character traits of Ron Paul, his son or the subject of this thread. Back on topic...

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Investigation Finds That Ron Paul Lied About Racist Newsletters

Newsletters that were signed and distributed under the name of Libertarian candidate, Representative Ron Paul (R-Texas), have been wreaking havoc for his presidential bid — a bid that has suddenly gained momentum in the face of the crumbling GOP field.

In the newsletters, he claims that Black people in Watts are “animals,” and specifically, Black men in Washington D.C. are “criminals” or “semi- criminals,” among other objectionable rhetoric.

He has continued to adamantly deny all knowledge of the content of the newsletters to the press, blaming the bigoted material on his “lack of editorial oversight.” He walked off the set of a CNN interview after being questioned about them, saying angrily: “I didn’t write them. I disavow them. That’s it.”

Well, surprise, surprise…

When Paul was vying to reclaim his seat in Congress in 1996 against Lefty Morris, he had an entirely different explanation. In an exclusive expose, Huffington Post Black Voices has uncovered old newspaper clips where Paul makes it very clear that the statements are, in fact, his own — they were merely “taken out of context.”

The Dallas Morning News — May 22, 1996:

Dr. Paul denied suggestions that he was a racist and said he was not evoking stereotypes when he wrote the columns. He said they should be read and quoted in their entirety to avoid misrepresentation. Dr. Paul also took exception to the comments of Mr. Bledsoe, saying that the voters in the 14th District and the people who know him best would be the final judges of his character.

“If someone challenges your character and takes the interpretation of the NAACP as proof of a man’s character, what kind of a world do you live in?” Dr. Paul asked.

In the interview, he did not deny he made the statement about the swiftness of black men.

“If you try to catch someone that has stolen a purse from you, there is no chance to catch them,” Dr. Paul said.


Austin American-Statesman — May 23, 1996

“Dr. Paul is being quoted out of context,” [Paul's spokesman, Michael] Sullivan said. “It’s like picking up ‘War and Peace’ and reading the fourth paragraph on page 481 and thinking you can understand what’s going on.” ”You have to understand what he is writing. Democrats in Texas are trying to stir things up by using half quotes to impugn his character,” Sullivan said. “His writings are intellectual. He assumes people will do their own research, get their own statistics, think for themselves and make informed judgments.”

Austin American-Statesman — July 25, 1996

Morris distributed Paul’s article to reporters at a Capitol news conference. It was not the first time. Morris has been scrutinizing Paul’s writings and sharing his findings with reporters. In May, he released an article in which Paul described a majority of black men in Washington, D.C., as ”semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”Morris, a Bee Cave lawyer, once again called on Paul to release back copies of the newsletter he has published for more than a decade. Paul, a Surfside obstetrician, has refused.

He said he has written ”thousands of items” during the past 20 years and that releasing these materials would be impractical. Paul said releasing all those writings would be like asking Morris to ”provide documents for every lawsuit he has been involved in during his lengthy legal career.”


Paul was in the news yesterday responding to his unsettling support among neo-Nazis and other racists. While he rejected their views, he did not reject their support, saying: “They’re endorsing what I do or say, not vice versa. I’ll go to anybody I can convert … to look at liberty the way I do.”

Though African-Americans have continued to support Ron Paul, even defending his newsletters as “not as important” as his views on the “War on Drugs” and decreased military spending, it will be interesting to see how his fledgling support is affected by these revelations.

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tweedle-dumb doesn't realize that in the "freedomsphoenix.com" link he provided, Mike Renzulli gets just about everything wrong in his article about Ron Paul's personal beliefs and his platform. Fortunately, in the comments section, reader Jeremy Keat (and some of the other posters) set him straight.

And unfortunately, tweedle-dumb keeps hearing voices in his head saying:

"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
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...or like Arkay stated above, you're just paranoid, self-righteous and/or antipathetic.


Now you're misquoting Arkay. I hope he holds it against you.

If the ship is sinking and I tell you the ship is sinking am I being paranoid?

Bill Hicks was paranoid. Frank Zappa was paranoid. MLK was paranoid. You're soft. I don't think Arkay is coming from the same desperate place as you when he said "heady stew of paranoia".


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Funny how the Douche Man is so brainwashed about Ron Paul and worships him, that he can't admit or accept any proven fact about the guys sketchy character flaws. The most severe case of denial ever...

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Proof: Ron Paul Lied About Not Being The Author Of The Newsletters

After quotes and copies from Ron Paul's newsletters appeared in The New Republic, Ron Paul once again trotted out the old tale that he had no idea the newsletters had any racist and crackpot conspiracy theory material in them and that a mysterious person had been responsible for writing racist things in them without him knowing about them.

Now let's look at the extracts from the newsletters that have been released, specifically let's look at December 1990, image files follow below.

The newsletter calls Martin Luther King a Communist pedophile, Ron Paul has countered that he has a great deal of respect for MLK. And then we scroll down the newsletter to discover the mysterious author of this newsletter at the very bottom as he writes;

My wife Carol and our children and grandchildren join me in wishing you and your family a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year. May we start to confound the plans of the Trilateralists and other big government types making America freer, and thus truer to her own heritage in 1991.

Now either the "mysterious stranger" writing this had a wife named Carol and lots of grandchildren, or Ron Paul is a liar and is the actual author of the newsletters. The medical reference under the teenage girls sex piece also suggests Ron Paul is the author. There is no break between this section and any of the others. It contains the same sort of loony ranting about conspiracy theories that the rest, disproving Andrew Sullivan's claims that "it just doesn't feel like Ron Paul".

The January 1991 newsletter features the author mentioning another congressman as "my successor" and talking about his experience as "a flight surgeon in the air force" and then afterward launching into another tirade about Martin Luther King. Again this is Ron Paul's record, not someone else. The author is clearly Ron Paul

In that same newsletter the author writes about his time running for President in 1988 on the Libertarian Party ticket. Ron Paul ran for President in 1988 on the Libertarian Party ticket. Here it is completely unambiguous that the author is Ron Paul and that he is expressing his own views about Martin Luther King.

In Feb of 1991 the author writes that he voted against "an expensive federal holiday for this man" referring to King. Of course Ron Paul famously voted against recognizing MLK day as a holiday.

It appears that not only is Ron Paul a racist but he just issued false statements during a Presidential campaign. That alone should disqualify him from public office.

The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”


Update: If there is any further doubt in this regard, Ron Paul himself has contradicted his own story. via Captains Quarters and Reason Magazine

Dr. Paul, who served in Congress in the late 1970s and early 1980s, said Tuesday that he has produced the newsletter since 1985 and distributes it to an estimated 7,000 to 8,000 subscribers. A phone call to the newsletter's toll-free number was answered by his campaign staff. [...]

Dr. Paul denied suggestions that he was a racist and said he was not evoking stereotypes when he wrote the columns. He said they should be read and quoted in their entirety to avoid misrepresentation. [...]

"If someone challenges your character and takes the interpretation of the NAACP as proof of a man's character, what kind of a world do you live in?" Dr. Paul asked.

In the interview, he did not deny he made the statement about the swiftness of black men.

"If you try to catch someone that has stolen a purse from you, there is no chance to catch them," Dr. Paul said.


May 22, 1996 Dallas Morning News:

Some blogs, some in the LGF comments section and AllahPundit at HotAir are saying that it doesn't matter who the author is. I counter that it does. If Ron Paul lied about authorship, then he's made a false statement during a presidential campaign right now, rather than having published a newsletter with racist statements two decades ago. Considering the evidence, he has to disprove his authorship before getting a pass on it. If he proves he is not the author, then we can begin examining what degree of knowledge and control he had.

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2008/01 ... being.html


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downer mydnyte wrote:
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...or like Arkay stated above, you're just paranoid, self-righteous and/or antipathetic.


Now you're misquoting Arkay. I hope he holds it against you.

If the ship is sinking and I tell you the ship is sinking am I being paranoid?

Bill Hicks was paranoid. Frank Zappa was paranoid. MLK was paranoid. You're soft. I don't think Arkay is coming from the same desperate place as you when he said "heady stew of paranoia".

Yikes, wtf.
Yes, downer, you are correct that SB is misquoting me. You guys can have your own argument.
But, the sinking ship part factors into what we were talking about before. If the water is around our knees, how does it help to say that the ship is sinking? I'd rather hear something like "There is a leak over there, patch it up!" or even "We need a new boat!" But, just to say that the ship is sinking seems... sarcastic? Which makes your trip to outer-space sound sarcastic, which makes it sound like you are just ragging about the system.
Anyway, in the US, we have voice and a vote. Yes, the Super Rich have that powers you and I will never possess. Do they have the mystical Nothing-is-Impossible power that you imply? I don't think so. I could be wrong, who knows, I'm not Super Rich. Would they have let Eric Cantor get voted out?
You say the President doesn't matter. Its a very disaffected, hipsterish thing to say that is much like saying the ship is sinking. I say the President doesn't have complete power, but if that was the case, then the title would be Dictator or something like that. Sure, the President is often beholden to the people who got him there, but now we are getting down to cases, which is not at all the same as saying that it doesn't matter.

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Yes, they would have let Cantor get voted out if it fit their desire. Not every election has to be rigged, just the ones that are crucial. There has to be at least the appearance of legitimacy, so the Tea Party is going to win one here and there.





Okay...if everyone would just stop posting here we could let the SPACEBROTHER forum entity die in its own rotting soup. This is more of a battle of information sources than anything else, and everyone's had their asses kicked sufficiently that they can walk away thinking it's a draw. So why keep this up? Don't any of you have jobs and family to attend to?

It's sad that human beings cannot get together and agree on anything. Sad, but not unnatural. That's the only thing proven here. Without the ability to look someone in the eye during a debate it hard to judge who is more "correct".

So, keep slinging the shit if you wish, but as far as I'm concerned the SPACEBROTHER forum entity has been outed and it's ass has been beaten to a blubbery pulp. My work is done on this thread.

Adios, or join me, friend...there's a much better world awaiting you on some other thread.

















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They, them, the people with the "real" power, the vast conspiracy of whoever is doing whatever. I don't much like debating the details of vague groups. Stop treating the people you are referring to as Magicians. Imo, the Tea Party is as deep in with "them" as anyone else.

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"I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal" ~ Ron Paul

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1. ?”We don’t think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That’s true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.”

2. “What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn’t that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?”

3. “Six-hundred-thousand Americans died in the senseless Civil War. No, he should not have gone to war. He did this just to enhance and get rid of the original tenet of the Republic.” -Regarding the Civil War

4. “Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal. These aren’t my figures, that is the assumption you can gather from” the report.”

5. “Contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.” -On the 40th Anniversary of the Civil Rights Act

6. “The Criminals who terrorize our cities – in riots and on every non-riot day – are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are.”

7. “I wouldn’t vote against getting rid of the Jim Crow laws.” -When asked if he would have voted for the Civil Rights Act.

8. “Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action.”

9. “Immigrants can spread diseases for which we may have no immunity. There is also the question of crime and culture. Many immigrants come from countries with different legal structures and are not willing to behave in the way we expect American citizens to behave.”

10. “There is no such thing as a hate crime.”

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/15 ... nd-racist/


Sorry leash, but the truth about Ron Paul's racism won't go away, no matter how deep your denial.


Sorry Arkay for streamlining your comments, which is why I didn't directly quote them.


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I'll be damned if I don't have to step in here and kick your goddamned asses AGAIN!

"They" refers to a particular group of individuals that have direct influence over a particular reality. It isn't really vague...in the case of elections and much other government bullshit we are talking about agencies like the CIA, the NSA, the CFR, the Bilderburgers...who knows who...they are vague because they are designed to be...the power behind the power. We know they exist, and we know what they influence, so why think "they" are not influencing it, manipulating it, or completely controlling it? You can't prove "they" are not, and I can't prove they are, nor can anyone, but it's pretty clear to me that the reality presented by them for our consumption is not the actuality.

So, the SPACEBROTHER forum entity is "sorry" I just cannot accept the "fact" that Ron Paul is racist. Well, how about this dipshits?: I DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK IF RON PAUL IS A RACIST. His official policies are not racist, and he often quotes the Founding Fathers, "All men are created equal...". If we have to elect a closet racist in order to get the Federal government under control, then SO BE IT.

If the SPACEBROTHER forum entity wants to apologize for something, how about apologizing for the unfair and uncalled-for labels he has placed on A rope leash and others, not just here but on other threads. I have worked with and had relationships, even sexual relationships, with people from all over the world. I do not discriminate against anyone on the basis of their race or sex or sexual orientation...I NEVER HAVE.

I'd tell you to ask my brother if I am a homophobe, but he died about a decade ago from HIV/AIDS. I stuck by him while much of the rest of my family shunned him. So it really pisses me off when I am declared homophobic for the simple opportunistic desires of an idiot debate opponent.

Yeah, my brother was gay...but you know what else? He did not care much for black folks. In fact, I called him out on his racist ways many times before he died.

So fuck you shitheads. Show me a video where Ron Paul is spewing racial hatred in front of a clearly racist audience and I might start taking it seriously, but I still might not care. It's freedom that I care about...yes, even freedom to be a racist...and war that I hate.

This is why I support Ron Paul, nothing else, really. Think you guys can get that through your thick government-dick-loving skulls?















Probably not. Continue with your bullshit, I got to find some new shoes.


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A rope leash wrote:
...It isn't really vague...who knows who...they are vague because they are designed to be...the power behind the power. We know they exist, and we know what they influence, so why think "they" are not influencing it, manipulating it, or completely controlling it? You can't prove "they" are not, and I can't prove they are, nor can anyone, but it's pretty clear to me that the reality presented by them for our consumption is not the actuality.
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Huh? Its totally vague. You said it wasn't, then you said it was.

The following statement helps no one: "They" are doing scary "things".

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The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
Yes, downer, you are correct that SB is misquoting me. You guys can have your own argument.
But, the sinking ship part factors into what we were talking about before. If the water is around our knees, how does it help to say that the ship is sinking? I'd rather hear something like "There is a leak over there, patch it up!" or even "We need a new boat!" But, just to say that the ship is sinking seems... sarcastic? Which makes your trip to outer-space sound sarcastic, which makes it sound like you are just ragging about the system.
Anyway, in the US, we have voice and a vote. Yes, the Super Rich have that powers you and I will never possess. Do they have the mystical Nothing-is-Impossible power that you imply? I don't think so. I could be wrong, who knows, I'm not Super Rich. Would they have let Eric Cantor get voted out?
You say the President doesn't matter. Its a very disaffected, hipsterish thing to say that is much like saying the ship is sinking. I say the President doesn't have complete power, but if that was the case, then the title would be Dictator or something like that. Sure, the President is often beholden to the people who got him there, but now we are getting down to cases, which is not at all the same as saying that it doesn't matter.


Arkay. When I tell you the ship is sinking, that means I saw the leak first! You don't need me to tell you it's sinking if you have water up to your knees! I'd be bailing water or helping women and children at that point. Shit, man.

If I'm coming across as a disaffected hipster then I guess I should shut the fuck up until I learn to articulate my thoughts better. Unlike Spacebrother, I am gracious enough to shut up. I'll just let SB piss all over the Zappa forum unchallenged with his political advertisements disguised as posts.

My Last Words on this thread:
The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
They, them, the people with the "real" power, the vast conspiracy of whoever is doing whatever. I don't much like debating the details of vague groups. Stop treating the people you are referring to as Magicians.

Vague? Walmart and McDonalds on every goddamn corner, the slime oozing out of the tv set (behavior modification central),etc...It's not sinister?


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tweedle-dumb STILL doesn't realize that the links he provided are FILLED with inaccuracies, lies, misintepretations and misquotes. So much so, that tweedle-dee must've co-written them. The articles get just about everything wrong regarding Ron Paul's personal beliefs and his platform. Fortunately, in the comments section, several other posters set the authors straight.

And unfortunately, tweedle-dumb keeps hearing voices in his head saying:

"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."

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downer / rope -
Both of you repeatedly bring up Boogeymen. Its the CIA, Bilderburgs, the Super Rich, The Two Major Parties, the Elite, Wal-Mart, McDonald's, Aliens, Knights Templar, every Religeon, every Government, Corn Syrup, Big Oil, Big Tobacco, Big Medical, Land Owners, Water Owners, Energy Creators, why not throw in the Masons and the Stonecutters too! I get that there is alot of nasty shit out there, but if everything gets the same "they" treatment, then "they" get to stay transparent. My cousin is a Mason. He likes the Pancake Breakfasts. Just think of all the things done by people who like Pancake Breakfasts! :)

Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do! We do!
Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do! We do!
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do! We do!
Who robs the cave fish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do! We do!


Image

You got the CBS...!
And the ABC...!
You got Time and Newsweek!
Well, they're the same to me!

Now don't you wanna get right with me? (puzzling evidence)
I hope you get ev'rything you need (puzzling evidence)

Puzzling evidence
Done hardened in your heart ...alright!
Now I am the gun
And you are the bullet
I got the power and glory! (puzzling)
And the money to buy it! (puzzling)

Got your Gulf and Western and your Mastercard (puzzling evidence)
Got what you wanted, lost what you had (puzzling evidence)
I'm seeing Puzzling evidence
Done hardened in your heart ...alright!

Huh...huh...huh...huh...huh...huh...huh...u
Well, I'm puzzling (huh!)
I'm puzzling (huh!)
I'm puzzling (huh!)
Puzzling (huh!)
I'm puzzling (huh!)
Woo...i'm puzzling (huh!)
Sometimes I'm puzzling! (huh!)

Well I hope you're happy with what you've made (puzzling evidence)
In the land of the free and the home of the brave (puzzling evidence)

I'm seeing Puzzling evidence Puzzling evidence
Puzzling (sometimes) evidence
Done hardened in your heart

Huh...huh...huh...huh...huh...huh...huh...
I'm puzzling (huh!)
Puzzling (huh!)
Puzzling (huh!)
P-p-p-puzzlin'! (huh!)
Still puzzlin'! (huh!)

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downer mydnyte wrote:
I'll just let SB piss all over the Zappa forum unchallenged with his political advertisements disguised as posts.


A fox smells his own lair first.


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downer mydnyte wrote:
I'll just let SB piss all over the Zappa forum unchallenged with his political advertisements disguised as posts.


A fox smells his own lair first.


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(The History of Reynard the Fox)

BTW. Disco Boy is sounding increasingly mad (and I don't mean angry)...

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downer mydnyte wrote:
I'll just let SB piss all over the Zappa forum unchallenged with his political advertisements disguised as posts.


A fox smells his own lair first.

You would know.


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Smell this...

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Newly unearthed newsletters reveal Ron Paul lied

The New Republic has found more evidence that Ron Paul is lying about his involvement in racist, homophobic and anti-Semitic newsletters published under his name in the 1990s.

The newly-discovered newsletters and direct mail pieces also discredit Paul’s claim that the newsletters overall only contained “a total of eight or ten sentences” that could be considered offensive.

Paul claims he never read the newsletters. Yet many of the racist comments were repeated in a by-lined monograph with the headline: “Race Terrorism in America.”

Writes TNR:

"The newsletters warned repeatedly of “race war.” The June 1990 Political Report carried an item entitled, “Race War?” which claimed that said war was on the horizon because of “the victimization mentality created by the civil rights movement, where every black failure is a white crime. If there is indeed this sort of trouble ahead, it is just another reason why every honest American should be armed.” The August 1990 Political Report claimed that “we’ve got a potential race war.” The December 1990 Investment Letter reported that “Abortion is rampant, race war is heating up, AIDS is spreading, and inflation is wiping out the middle class.”

The September 1992 edition of the Political Report wrote of a supposed spate of bank robberies this way: “Today, gangs of young blacks bust into a bank lobby firing rounds at the ceiling.” It also said that “We don’t think a child of 13 should be held as responsible as a man of 23. That’s true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult, and should be treated as such.”

A January 1993 Survival Report item headlined “Poor Marge Schott!” defended the former Cincinnati Reds owner, who was “being crucified” after she referred to her own players as “million dollar niggers,” said that “sneaky goddamn Jews are all alike” and “only fruits wear earrings,” and claimed that Hitler was an initially positive force for Germany."


In 1987, the Ron Paul Political Report warned that the Federal Emergency Management Agency was ready to declare martial law. He warned of perceived conspiracies by the Trilateral Commission, the Rockefellers and Yale’s secret Skull & Bones society. In February 1994 he claimed the Clintons killed White House aide Vince Foster, who committed suicide.

That conspiracy theory surfaced again in Paul’s 2008 Presidential campaign when he sent out a fundraising letter touting himself as the “only Republican who can beat Hilary” and invoking right-wing conspiracy theories about the FBI raid on the Branch Davidians and “the mysterious death of Hillary’s pal Vince Foster.”

Other newsletters showcase bias against gays, praise right-wing militia groups and praise those who don’t pay taxes and called Leona Helmsley a “martyr” after she was jailed for failing to pay $1.2 million in federal taxes
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/42742


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Yep. Ron paul is still a racist...

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Ron Paul signed off on racist 1990s newsletters

“It was his newsletter, and it was under his name, so he always got to see the final product. . . . He would proof it,’’
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At the time, Paul’s investment letter was languishing. Paul and others hit upon a solution: to “morph” the content to capi­tal­ize on a growing fear among some on the political right about the nation’s changing demographics and threats to economic liberty.
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The investment letter became the Ron Paul Survival Report — a name designed to intrigue readers, the company secretary said. It cost subscribers about $100 a year. The tone of that and other Paul publications changed, becoming increasingly controversial. In 1992, for example, the Ron Paul Political Report defended chess champion Bobby Fischer, who had become known as an anti-Semitic Holocaust denier, for his stance on “Jewish questions.’’
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In 1996, as Paul ran for Congress again, his business success turned into a potential political liability when his newsletters surfaced in the Texas news media. Paul was quoted in the Dallas Morning News that year as defending a newsletter line from 1992 that said 95 percent of black men in the District are “semi-criminal or entirely criminal” and that black teenagers can be “unbelievably fleet of foot.”

“If you try to catch someone that has stolen a purse from you, there is no chance to catch them,” the newspaper quoted Paul as saying.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html


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downer mydnyte wrote:
I'll just let SB piss all over the Zappa forum unchallenged with his political advertisements disguised as posts.

Yeah, he goes wee-wee-wee, all the way home.

It's really too bad, so unfortunate the forum is plagued by the baby bomber..500 pound Hellfires into sleeping baby's cribs, they don't stand a chance at life with Obomba voters like sb around. They never had a chance.

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ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

tweedle-dumb STILL doesn't realize that the links he provided are FILLED with inaccuracies, lies, misintepretations and misquotes. So much so, that tweedle-dee must've co-written them. The articles get just about everything wrong regarding Ron Paul's personal beliefs and his platform. Fortunately, in the comments section, several other posters set the authors straight.

And unfortunately, tweedle-dumb keeps hearing voices in his head saying:

"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."
"Keep posting BS info from BS sources to make everyone believe things that aren't true."

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