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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:15 am 
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21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion
or by moral principle, and moral principle does play a role for the
leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle
cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too
prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power.
Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of
benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help.
For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black
people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or
dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a
diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal
and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative
action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take
such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs.
Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems
serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and
frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black
people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white
majority tends to intensify race hatred.

22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would
have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse
for making a fuss.

Ted "not a Libertarian" Kaczynski


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Meanwhile, downer mydnyte pretends to know what he's talking about, while pedro2 actually knows what he's talking about. And tweedle-dumb? Well, he's still extra special...


Actually, downer makes more sense to me than either you or Spacebrother. You want to put a label on me now? How about "extra, extra special". Please! Can I be "extra, extra special"? :roll:


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Disco Boy wrote:
Meanwhile, downer mydnyte pretends to know what he's talking about, while pedro2 actually knows what he's talking about. And tweedle-dumb? Well, he's still extra special...


Actually, downer makes more sense to me than either you or Spacebrother. You want to put a label on me now? How about "extra, extra special". Please! Can I be "extra, extra special"? :roll:


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Extra Extra Specialostopher.


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21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion
or by moral principle, and moral principle does play a role for the
leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle
cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too
prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power.
Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of
benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help.
For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black
people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or
dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a
diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal
and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative
action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take
such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs.
Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems
serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and
frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black
people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white
majority tends to intensify race hatred.

22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would
have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse
for making a fuss.

Ted "not a Libertarian" Kaczynski


Speaking of the domestic terrorist and serial killer known as Ted "the Unabomber" Kaczynski...

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Ron Paul Goes After the Coveted Unabomber Vote

Now, Ron Paul often sounds like the most sane GOP candidate during debates. And who knows? Maybe he is. But that's not so much praise of Ron Paul as damning of the other nuts on the stage with him.

Ron Paul is a wacko. And I don't say that inadvisedly. Yes, there's the nuttiness of the generalized libertarian "eliminate the government/return to the gold standard" rhetoric, but the real kookiness lies in Paul's cozy relationship with the Patriot movement.

Now, you don't hear much about the Patriots anymore; they pretty much reached their peak when Tim McVeigh bombed the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City. After that they went from being a bunch of nutjobs with guns and anti-government leanings (and, not for nothing, a number of fans in the Republican party) to, well, terrorists. But Paul remained a big supporter of the Patriots over the years, sharing their fears of a global elite seizing America away from the people and placing our nation under UN control.

You may object that the idea of the UN seizing control of America when they can't effectively control their own headquarters is a bit of a silly idea. And it is. But it's the common thread that unites the Patriots, the idea that America is going away, and will soon be in control of the brown hordes, and only good, upstanding, quasi-fascist white Americans can save us.

This is something that Ron Paul believes fervently. In a scrawled, rambling, psychotic-guy-on-the-corner fundraising letter, Paul states his case:

I don’t need to tell you that our American way of life is under attack. We see it all around us — every day — and it is up to us to save it.

The world’s elites are busy forming a North American Union. If they are successful, as they were in forming the European Union, the good ‘ol USA will only be a memory. We can’t let that happen.

The UN also wants to confiscate our firearms and impose a global tax. The UN elites want to control the world’s oceans with the Law of the Sea Treaty. And they want to use our military to police the world.


Brendan Nyhan has dutifully posted a .pdf of the letter, which you should go look at, as the handwritten screed brings that extra level of "crazy guy on the corner" to the already insane ramblings. Paul signs off:

My campaign is in your hands. Please send your most generous gift today to help me spread the message and to retake our nation from the elites who are working to destroy our sovereignty. We cannot...we must not allow this to happen!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:04 am 
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22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would
have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse
for making a fuss.

Thats like saying nurses should go around injuring people to keep them in a job.

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downer mydnyte wrote:
There's only 2 sides. Rich and poor.

This statement is not correct and needs a little embellishment:
There are rich folks who are helping the poor and there are poor folks who dream of being slavedrivers. It's not rich or poor but ultimately it's the eternal battle of GOOD and EVIL.


Now, you might ask, what's good and what's evil? That's up to you but I'll tell you this- only the dumbest Americans believe that their own political party is all good and the other is all evil. That whole repub/dem argument is only good for adding more fuel to the American fire.


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brainpang wrote:
21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion
or by moral principle, and moral principle does play a role for the
leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle
cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too
prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power.
Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of
benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help.
For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black
people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or
dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a
diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal
and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative
action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take
such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs.
Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems
serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and
frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black
people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white
majority tends to intensify race hatred.

22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would
have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse
for making a fuss.

Ted "not a Libertarian" Kaczynski


Despite being a serial killer, I gotta admit, he does make some good points.


Meanwhile, Philostopher probably still thinks the company he works for is ripping him off and tweedle-dumb STILL doesn't understand Ron Paul's platform from a hole in the wall...

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I dare you to find one fucking post where I said my company was ripping me off. Stop throwing ad hominems at me.


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Philostopher wrote:
I dare you to find one fucking post where I said my company was ripping me off. Stop throwing ad hominems at me.


Then wtf is this?...

Disco Boy wrote:
If you seriously expect to receive money without working for it, you're lazy as hell. And in that case, you'd better purchase a lottery ticket and hope for the best...


Philostopher wrote:
I am not lazy. But, I just want my fair share of the pie. The company I work for made $30 million dollars last year. My boss, who took all the credit made $120,000. While I {and a few others} did all the work for a third of that money.


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What industry are you in? And how many employees does your company employ? And what are their energy, manufacturing, production, overhead, renovation & tax rate costs annually?

After you answer that (if you're able to), then maybe you can tell me what exactly you mean by your fair share?


Philostopher wrote:
I told you that the company profited 30 million dollars. That is after all the overhead statistics you are asking for. You can't make you're assessment based on that without a parade of statistics?

Just realized that the number of employees does make a difference. I'll try to find out today. I don't see it on the web site. I would estimate around 500 over 5 plants.

That also doesn't count for those who wore the most brown lipstick to get to where they are. Some of us are only wearing a beige color, so we get held back more than the brown ones.


Disco Boy wrote:
No, you told me that your company "made" $30 million dollars last year. And even if that figure is pure net profit, since your company employs over 500 people and you said you make about $40,000 per year, that means they pay their employees over $20 million dollars in salaries.

Considering this, do you still think you're getting a raw deal?


And then this particular dialogue essentially ended because you couldn't honestly answer my final question and started saying I called you lazy, when in fact I didn't...

Philostopher wrote:
It does not matter man. You will never see what I'm trying to say, because you're nature is to be combative. I just take offence {see how I put a Canadian spin on it for you?} at being called lazy. I may be a lot of things, but fucking lazy is not one of them.



Our conversation about the above is found here...

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=24884&start=400

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Meanwhile, you assume way too much tweedle-douche. You have no clue if ALL 500 people at Philo's company make the same salary or have similar seniority. Once again, pulling numbers out of your ass because you obviously are clueless. Another "Ron Paul is guaranteed to get 10 million votes in the primaries" and "Ayn Rand books are the #1 best selling books of all time" moment. :roll:


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There are a lot of things he doesn't understand about my company, or even what the fuck I'm actually talking about. He wants me to provide a bunch of fucking statistics, which would not even show a true description of what is actually happening. And with all the shit you've reposted, I'm still looking for the comment where I said my company was "ripping me off". Your words, not mine. Are there some kind of subliminal messages attached to my posts, that only Disco Boy can see? :?


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Meanwhile, you assume way too much tweedle-douche. You have no clue if ALL 500 people at Philo's company make the same salary or have similar seniority. Once again, pulling numbers out of your ass because you obviously are clueless.


HE himself said "My boss, who took all the credit made $120,000. While I {and a few others} did all the work for a third of that money." That's $40,000 per year, moron. Are you arithmetically challenged as well? :roll:

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There are a lot of things he doesn't understand about my company, or even what the fuck I'm actually talking about. He wants me to provide a bunch of fucking statistics, which would not even show a true description of what is actually happening. And with all the shit you've reposted, I'm still looking for the comment where I said my company was "ripping me off". Your words, not mine. Are there some kind of subliminal messages attached to my posts, that only Disco Boy can see? :?


There are a lot of things you didn't tell me.

Then wtf did you mean when you stated...

"I am not lazy. But, I just want my fair share of the pie. The company I work for made $30 million dollars last year. My boss, who took all the credit made $120,000. While I {and a few others} did all the work for a third of that money."

...if you really didn't heavily imply you weren't being ripped off?! :roll:

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It is called dissatisfaction with how things are being run. There is a difference between that, and feeling as if I were being "ripped off". You seriously can't differentiate between the two?


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Poor old Disco Boy; for somebody who claims of himself that he is constantly misquoted, misinterpreted, misrepresented and has his statements taken out of context, it must be a bitter pill to be accused (accurately, IMO) of misquotation, misinterpretation, misrepresentation and taking somebody's statements of out of context.

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Philostopher wrote:
It is called dissatisfaction with how things are being run. There is a difference between that, and feeling as if I were being "ripped off". You seriously can't differentiate between the two?


Dude, wtf are you talking about? You CLEARLY implied you were being ripped off. I reposted your EXACT quotes.

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Poor old Disco Boy; for somebody who claims of himself that he is constantly misquoted, misinterpreted, misrepresented and has his statements taken out of context, it must be a bitter pill to be accused (accurately, IMO) of misquotation, misinterpretation, misrepresentation and taking somebody's statements of out of context.


Poor old tweedle-dee: not only is the above not true, but coming from someone who holds the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP record for misquoting, misinterpreting and misrepresenting my statements, that's pretty fucking hilarious.

You can now go back to not being able to prove a god damn THING (outside of my grammatical errors) but pretending that you have, while reciting, "Socialism is the way of the future!" 10,000 times to yourself, hoping it's going to come true. This is a statement that is so far beyond stupid, I'm amazed you're even qualified to think, let alone post something like that...

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Hahahaha


Excellent rebuttal!

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Ron sure likes Vlad...

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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ron-Pa ... id/583590/



Apparently, Libertarians are now Communist sympathizers.


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Disco Boy wrote:
Philostopher wrote:
It is called dissatisfaction with how things are being run. There is a difference between that, and feeling as if I were being "ripped off". You seriously can't differentiate between the two?


Dude, wtf are you talking about? You CLEARLY implied you were being ripped off. I reposted your EXACT quotes.

tweedle-dee wrote:
Poor old Disco Boy; for somebody who claims of himself that he is constantly misquoted, misinterpreted, misrepresented and has his statements taken out of context, it must be a bitter pill to be accused (accurately, IMO) of misquotation, misinterpretation, misrepresentation and taking somebody's statements of out of context.


Poor old tweedle-dee: not only is the above not true, but coming from someone who holds the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP record for misquoting, misinterpreting and misrepresenting my statements, that's pretty fucking hilarious.

You can now go back to not being able to prove a god damn THING (outside of my grammatical errors) but pretending that you have, while reciting, "Socialism is the way of the future!" 10,000 times to yourself, hoping it's going to come true. This is a statement that is so far beyond stupid, I'm amazed you're even qualified to think, let alone post something like that...

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Hahahaha


Excellent rebuttal!


We all saw you repost my exact quotes. Most of us are probably smart enough to remember them from when I first posted them. There is apparently a difference between what I implied, and what you inferred. So far by my count, what you inferred is in the minority here.


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Philostopher wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:
Philostopher wrote:
It is called dissatisfaction with how things are being run. There is a difference between that, and feeling as if I were being "ripped off". You seriously can't differentiate between the two?


Dude, wtf are you talking about? You CLEARLY implied you were being ripped off. I reposted your EXACT quotes.

tweedle-dee wrote:
Poor old Disco Boy; for somebody who claims of himself that he is constantly misquoted, misinterpreted, misrepresented and has his statements taken out of context, it must be a bitter pill to be accused (accurately, IMO) of misquotation, misinterpretation, misrepresentation and taking somebody's statements of out of context.


Poor old tweedle-dee: not only is the above not true, but coming from someone who holds the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP record for misquoting, misinterpreting and misrepresenting my statements, that's pretty fucking hilarious.

You can now go back to not being able to prove a god damn THING (outside of my grammatical errors) but pretending that you have, while reciting, "Socialism is the way of the future!" 10,000 times to yourself, hoping it's going to come true. This is a statement that is so far beyond stupid, I'm amazed you're even qualified to think, let alone post something like that...

The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
Hahahaha


Excellent rebuttal!


We all saw you repost my exact quotes. Most of us are probably smart enough to remember them from when I first posted them. There is apparently a difference between what I implied, and what you inferred. So far by my count, what you inferred is in the minority here.


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Philostopher wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:
Philostopher wrote:
It is called dissatisfaction with how things are being run. There is a difference between that, and feeling as if I were being "ripped off". You seriously can't differentiate between the two?


Dude, wtf are you talking about? You CLEARLY implied you were being ripped off. I reposted your EXACT quotes.

tweedle-dee wrote:
Poor old Disco Boy; for somebody who claims of himself that he is constantly misquoted, misinterpreted, misrepresented and has his statements taken out of context, it must be a bitter pill to be accused (accurately, IMO) of misquotation, misinterpretation, misrepresentation and taking somebody's statements of out of context.


Poor old tweedle-dee: not only is the above not true, but coming from someone who holds the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP record for misquoting, misinterpreting and misrepresenting my statements, that's pretty fucking hilarious.

You can now go back to not being able to prove a god damn THING (outside of my grammatical errors) but pretending that you have, while reciting, "Socialism is the way of the future!" 10,000 times to yourself, hoping it's going to come true. This is a statement that is so far beyond stupid, I'm amazed you're even qualified to think, let alone post something like that...

The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
Hahahaha


Excellent rebuttal!


We all saw you repost my exact quotes. Most of us are probably smart enough to remember them from when I first posted them. There is apparently a difference between what I implied, and what you inferred. So far by my count, what you inferred is in the minority here.


Stop fucking around, asshole.

ANYBODY with half a brain knows what you were getting at. And after you answered my questions relating to the topic at hand, I CLEARLY showed you with something called logic as to why you were wrong about your company reaming you.

I've been posting on this forum for 12 fucking years now and hence have eaten shitheads like you for breakfast. So do honestly think you can pull one over on me by backpedaling and think I don't know what you're trying to do?!

Lastly, what you're doing is a typical left-wing, blame-it-all-on-Capitalism-and-take-no-responsibility-for-ANYTHING response. :roll:

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You didn't show me shit. If I truly felt my company was ripping me off, then why is this a statement that I made on this forum on another thread?

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It sucks, but it pays well in the wage structure for this area of the country.


I won't stoop to the level of name calling that you're going for. I've been out of school since 1984, and don't have time for those kind of games anymore. You and Spacebrother continue on with your bullshit now.


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back on topic...

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