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10 Reason Not To Vote For Ron Paul part 1

1. Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities.

Ron Paul has sponsored legislation that would repeal affirmative action



Affirmative action is an oxymoron ... When you empower a certain part of the population , BECAUSE of race , you discriminate against any / or all other races. The VERY thing it's supposed to protect.

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keep the IRS from investigating private schools who may have used race as a factor in denying entrance, thus losing their tax exempt status.


PRIVATE schools are just that . PRIVATELY funded AND founded. Unless you want the IRS checking on your PRIVATE beer , card or bachelor party , you better let the private schools figure out who they want at their own party.


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and would deny citizenship for those born in the US if their parents are not citizens.


One of the biggest reasons Health care was rammed down our throats. Makes me wonder , if we have 14 million LEGAL Americans out of work , where the 30 Million illegals do ? :?

Look , it doesn't matter if Obama , Paul , Nader or Bozo the clown ( was he already there ? ) is running around the oval office , EVERY administration needs to listen to the people. We haven't been really listened to in 70 yrs.

The big problem is just like the comments above . Seems everybody has a better way and nobody can agree on any of it. People in this forum and out on the streets need to sit down , analyze the problems and come up with a LOGICAL solution to these problems. The blame game should be long over , and so should the problem solving that comes from how you FEEL. :roll:

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Some things I know:

Baddy accuses people who voted for Obama of being pro-war, which is not true, at least for the few of us arguing with him here. Baddy would like it to be that simple, but anyone can see it's not.

He interprets our votes as he pleases, to support his agenda, in disregard of what WE say OUR vote means TO US.

What OUR vote actually meant to US, he simply dismisses.

As for his strictly symbolic independent vote for a candidate who could not make policy or any decision on the war, baddy arrogantly denies that the power of his vote was nill.

If Obama withdraws from Iraq/Afganistan gradually over the next few years, it is assumed that thousands of lives on both sides would be saved. Even if he remains but draws down by half, that would mean lives were saved. Nader couldn't have done that. McCain would've escalated into something even more scary.

BADDY DIDN'T VOTE TO SAVE LIVES; HE VOTED TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT HIMSELF. If he wanted to save lives, voting for Nader or Paul or whoever could never have accomplished that.

I say baddy should stop stroking his ego. Apparently attacking the motives of other people makes him feel superior. That's pathological.

Ralph Nader didn't, couldn't, do shit, and baddy knew it and still gave him his vote.

It's amazing that baddy feels good about voting to continue the war. Because just as he insists a vote for Obama means support for war, by his same logic his vote for Nader means the same.

It's easy to vote outside the system. It's easy to use a vote as a protest or a symbol. But in these times, it's more important to be REALISTIC. Reality is our broken 2 party system and the candidates it poots forth.

Obama was flawed but was way better than McCain. Those two were the only 2 real candidates. Wasting a vote on someone with no teeth strokes the progressive ego of the baddies of the world, but has no effect in real life.

I voted for Obama, but I'm not an apologist. I think he's done some very good things so far, but he's fucking some other things up pretty bad. I am pissed off that he's backing down on important stuff, breaking promises, and not being the fighter I hoped he would be. But it's no comparison to the crazy shit McCain would be doing if he got elected.

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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
Some things I know:

Baddy accuses people who voted for Obama of being pro-war,

People who knew of Obama's pre-election announced massive Afghan war escalation plans (such as you Ronny), and voted for him anyway, voted pro war, an obvious fact.

But a lot of people voted for Obama thinking they were getting something else, they are anti war, (but Obama is not).

Two and a half Obama supporters here believe my potato's been bakin too long...

The rest of this, judge for yourself if you need to read it. :lol:

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He interprets our votes as he pleases, to support his agenda, in disregard of what WE say OUR vote means TO US.

What OUR vote actually meant to US, he simply dismisses.

As for his strictly symbolic independent vote for a candidate who could not make policy or any decision on the war, baddy arrogantly denies that the power of his vote was nill.

If Obama withdraws from Iraq/Afganistan gradually over the next few years, it is assumed that thousands of lives on both sides would be saved. Even if he remains but draws down by half, that would mean lives were saved. Nader couldn't have done that. McCain would've escalated into something even more scary.

BADDY DIDN'T VOTE TO SAVE LIVES; HE VOTED TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT HIMSELF. If he wanted to save lives, voting for Nader or Paul or whoever could never have accomplished that.

I say baddy should stop stroking his ego. Apparently attacking the motives of other people makes him feel superior. That's pathological.

Ralph Nader didn't, couldn't, do shit, and baddy knew it and still gave him his vote.

It's amazing that baddy feels good about voting to continue the war. Because just as he insists a vote for Obama means support for war, by his same logic his vote for Nader means the same.

It's easy to vote outside the system. It's easy to use a vote as a protest or a symbol. But in these times, it's more important to be REALISTIC. Reality is our broken 2 party system and the candidates it poots forth.

Obama was flawed but was way better than McCain. Those two were the only 2 real candidates. Wasting a vote on someone with no teeth strokes the progressive ego of the baddies of the world, but has no effect in real life.

I voted for Obama, but I'm not an apologist. I think he's done some very good things so far, but he's fucking some other things up pretty bad. I am pissed off that he's backing down on important stuff, breaking promises, and not being the fighter I hoped he would be. But it's no comparison to the crazy shit McCain would be doing if he got elected.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:43 pm 
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baddy wrote:
Ronny's Noomies wrote:
Some things I know:

Baddy accuses people who voted for Obama of being pro-war,

People who knew of Obama's pre-election announced massive Afghan war escalation plans (such as you Ronny), and voted for him anyway, voted pro war,an obvious fact.


That's not a fact. And you know it. You have just proved my point. You twist the truth to fit your manipulative agenda.

I did NOT vote for war. I voted for an overall set of policies, which is what most people do. I've made this case already and you've routinely dismissed it as unimportant. Do you see that your rigid self-righteousness derails actual debate?

I have nothing against Nader or any of the other guys you support. The problem I have is voting for them while knowing they can't stop the wars, or stem the rightward tide of the supreme court, or get a healthcare bill passed, or try to reverse our status in the world, or sue the governor of Arizona, or fund stem cell research, or ANYTHING ELSE THAT MATTERS. You? As a single issue voter, you don't care about those things, do you?

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It's the no holds barred tag team grudge fuck of the century. In this corner weighing in at 98 pounds soaking wet: "I'm not you are"

And in the other corner 300 pounds and smelling very bad: " Am too.... so there"

shake hands and starrrrrrt pissing!

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perfect lead in to #2

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.....or stem the rightward tide of the supreme court.....


10 Reasons Not To Vote For Ron Paul Part 2

2. Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights.

Ron Paul makes it very clear that one of his aims is to repeal Roe v. Wade. He has also co sponsored 4 separate bills to “To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.” This, of course, goes against current medical and scientific information as well as our existing laws and precedents. Please see these links: H.R.2597 and H.R.392

...Blatant facism? The red flags should go up full tilt at this point, but it gets much worse from here...stay tuned...


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Yes yes yes. But what about the war? :wink:

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get me a tattoo with lots of battle shouts on the wig wam bam, ..I mean, all others have a rocket been rushed phrough their brainless empty space of no wonders.


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3. Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class.

He supports abolishing the Federal minimum wage, has twice introduced legislation to repeal OSHA, or the Occupational Safety and Health Act and would deal devastating blows to Social Security including repealing the act that makes it mandatory for employees of nonprofits, to make “coverage completely optional for both present and future workers”, and would “freeze benefit levels”. He has also twice sponsored legislation seeking to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act which among other things provide that contractors for the federal government must provide the prevailing wage and prohibits corporate “kick backs.” Here are the related legislative links: H.R.2030, H.R.4604, H.R.736, and H.R.2720.


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and related.....

4. Ron Paul’s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes.

He has repeatedly submitted amendments to the tax code that would get rid of the estate and gift taxes, tax all earners at 10%, disallow income tax credits to individuals who are not corporations, repeal the elderly tax credit, child care credit, earned income credit, and other common credits for working class citizens. Please see this link for more information: H.R.05484 Summary


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Interesting how the usual anti-Obama crowd from this forum won't discuss numbers 2, 3 and 4. Looks like they find facism towards women and killing jobs & the middle class acceptable while blowing smokescreens about war escalations that are actually reductions and redeployments. Figures. :roll:


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Remember the gulf and Michigan oil spills....

5. Ron Paul’s policies would cause irreparable damage to our already strained environment.

Among other travesties he supports off shore drilling, building more oil refineries, mining on federal lands, no taxes on the production of fuel, and would stop conservation efforts that could be a “Federal obstacle” to building and maintaining refineries. He has also sought to amend the Clean Air Act, repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977, and to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to “restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters”. To see for yourself the possible extent of the damage to the environment that would happen under a Paul administration please follow these links: H.R.2504, H.R.7079, H.R.7245, H.R.2415, H.R.393, H.R.4639, H.R.5293, and H.R.6936


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Oh yea? Well,...You're Fat!

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Like one can easily perceive, it's become useless. Will the next generations be able to notice what went wrong in the last hundred years? pollution hasn't to be cleaned but poisoning of matters nature in all wisdom hasn't come up with appears to be the end of evolution from once wonderful people. G. Orwell lets us be greeted. It has all been here, medicine for those rare occasions of illness, building material of all sorts, bamboo for instance, magic and who knows what future might have brought? Recycling is now a word what makes monsters go even more berserk.

Conservatism? defending their monothought of "Everything to me" and the rest may rot to gold.

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6. A Ron Paul administration would continue to proliferate the negative image of the US among other nations.

Ron Paul supports withdrawing the US from the UN, when that has not happened he has fought to at least have the US withdrawn from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He has introduced legislation to keep the US from giving any funds to the UN. He also submitted that the US funds should not be used in any UN peacekeeping mission or any UN program at all. He has sponsored a bill calling for us to “terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.Ron Paul twice supported stopping the destruction of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States. He also would continue with Bush’s plan of ignoring international laws by maintaining an insistence that the International Criminal Court does not apply to the US, despite President Clinton’s signature on the original treaty. The International Criminal Court is used for, among other things, prosecution of war crimes. Please see the following links: H.R.3891, H.AMDT.191, H.AMDT.190, H.R.3769, H.R.1665, H.CON.RES.23, and H.R.1154


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a bit of hope, the rest of mankind trying something else? (my thought derived from that headline)

but what follows, Bruwwer, is beyond! unbeliebabili'y! Again...

and from the sole reason that the first world fears to loose out on allegedly modern world's contrivances, the fake shine of things. All other previous points are so-or-so just a demon's worst ..a nice man, the neighbor, all of'em.

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7. Ron Paul discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and would not provide equal rights and protections to glbt citizens.

This is an issue that Paul sort of dances around. He has been praised for stating that the federal government should not regulate who a person marries. This has been construed by some to mean that he is somewhat open to the idea of same sex marriage, he is not. Paul was an original co sponsor of the Marriage Protection Act in the House in 2004. Among other things this discriminatory piece of legislation placed a prohibition on the recognition of a same sex marriage across state borders. He said in 2004 that if he was in the Texas legislature he would not allow judges to come up with “new definitions” of marriage. Paul is a very religious conservative and though he is careful with his words his record shows that he is not a supporter of same sex marriage. In 1980 he introduced a particularly bigoted bill entitled “A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 A direct quote from the legislation “Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.” shows that he is unequivocally opposed to lifestyles other than heterosexual.


......anyone who supports legislation of any type that discriminates against anybody, regardless of which social circles they are a part of is a bigot. #8 in this list expands on his religious fanaticism views that should send everybody running as far away and as quickly from Ron Paul like he is the plague. Stay tuned as baddy will throw more money at this weirdo and his twisted views, but then blame Obama.


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Wow the nut job is still babbling in the corner! :shock:

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I thought it was "Run Paul run". Like a Forest Gump kinda thing.
Jerry Brown for Prez,2016!
Face it folks it's all BS,both spread it.The GOP keeps it,the Dems at least spread it around. Remember that`ol Dem that turned GOP? The first Ron? He was the darling of the conservatives back in`80! Well The GOP got him to deragulate,the banks,insurance co.etc.Where did`ol Ron and the GOP get the money to loan us? Hmm.Fed,print more dough!
(All during this time,FZ was fighting the PMRC.believing correctly VOTE!)
So everyone could borrow against "no means to pay-it back".Anyone remember the phone calls when they wanted your first born,if you or they made a mistake?
Even now both parties are saying "we all need to get in dept by getting and giving credit" that you can't pay back....But credit will make the economy all better....BS.
I thought it was bad back then.Thats how we got here.BTW; Did the Ronald Reagan's trickle down theory ever reach all you that were bitchin'about the economy back then or are you just now getting it?
Hell,under Ronny,nay any GOP prez,I could of racked up enough dept.to claim bankruptcy,kept my home,and borrowed more.Thats what all the GOP politicos do....Promise a safe future,and it sounds good untill put into practice.
I've never had a credit card.I live within my means.Can Ron Paul (Mr.Bliss)say the same? I think not.
He strikes me as someone who would have a hissy fit when the bank comes for their money.Just another insider,trying to be the new popular outsider.It's BS.The GOP loves a spoiler,it takes the "liberal votes" away from the Dems.
Speaking for all the Dems,wives & foe's of the GOP...We all have a headache over you Ron Paul.
Your the GOP's favorite baby now.Good luck with that.IMHO
The nut in the corner is ME! Oh my god Huck,er Madge you...you recognised me. :oops: :lol:

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They will then change their ways when no path is left anymore. That's 21. senseless man like...you do it so much better, Kapm. Already now anticipating with fixed feelings your upcoming briefings.

.. only next time let Cisco order the drinks.

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Wow the nut job is still babbling in the corner! :shock:


Normally I wouldn't edit something this far after the fact, but in this case, I'm going to hold off (*for now) on my take on account of one (currently inactive) party's PM issue's with the other except for future reference perhap's or at least unless said other party decides to share their story. If you haven't read this post pre-edit, don't worry about it. If you have already read it, you are either already in the know (as in, you know who you are, and you know who you aren't) or , well, I'll just leave it at that. Personally, I'd rather have been spared the imagery. Thanks, but no thanks.

*caveat - of course this is subject to change. :lol:

...meanwhile......


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8. Ron Paul is opposed to the separation of church and state.

This reason is probably behind every other thing that I disagree with in regards to Paul’s positions. Ron Paul is among those who believes that there is a war on religion, he stated “Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view.” (( Koyaanisqatsi Blog: Wrong Paul Why I Do Not Want Ron Paul to be My President )) Though he talks a good talk, at times, Ron Paul can’t get away from his far right, conservative views. He would support “alternative views” to evolution taught in public schools (i.e. Intelligent Design.) We’ve already taken a look at his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 Besides hating the gays he takes a very religious stance on many other things. He is attempting to force his beliefs on the rest of America, exactly what he would do as president.


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Nice to see you still fighting the fight. :|

Could you please post a copy of " Separation between church and state " in ANY official document that is recognized by the USA ? ie. Bill of Rights , Constitution , Official letters to Congress , etc.

You won't find it anywhere other than in papers by Thomas Jefferson and / or James Madison and a handful of other polititions. There are references from around the world on the TERM / PHRASE dating back 1000's of years.

It's just a interpetational phrase used by some to create fear in others. :lol:

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