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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:20 am 
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fine, but count me out - it will save me typin and hopefully save you that by-pass thats surely headin yer way if yer dont cool it. <br><br>mind you, the vino thins the blood - what more of an excuse do we need during the coming festive season ( who needs an excuse anyway ? )<br><br>bottoms up <br><br>mungo

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:20 pm 
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Don't worry, I'm fine.<br><br>I'm not on the verge of a breakdown or anything like that, really !<br><br>I have way too much fun replying to you that I suspect it does help my blood pressure.   ;D<br><br>And about wine... did you ever wonder why two or three glasses a day seems to improve cardiac conditions ? The French paradox !

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:53 am 
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                                    <br><br>                   Rockers Unite to Oust Bush<br> <br>  <br><br>  Bruce Springsteen told a crowd of 50,000 New Yorkers on October 4th to "shout a little louder if you want the president impeached." Two weeks later, John Mellencamp posted an open letter to America on his Web site, declaring, "We have been lied to and terrorized by our own government, and it is time to take action." Meanwhile, Moby, Eddie Vedder and Michael Stipe are organizing a TV-ad campaign that will run anti-Bush commercials during the week of the State of the Union address in January; Dave Matthews is railing against the war in Iraq in interviews; and at press time, at least three multiband rock tours planned to take aim at Bush-administration policies. Green Day, NOFX, Tom Morello, Dixie Chicks, Don Henley, Willie Nelson and Steve Earle have all played (or plan to play) for political candidates or causes. Hip-hop stars have also gotten involved......<br><br>   Wanna read th whole thing?...>>Here<<

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:56 am 
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That kind of involvment kind of restore my faith in Americans. I know there are lots of good will peoples out there fed up with the way Bush is leading USA now.<br><br>A good news !

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:15 am 
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Has Bush really got a coke habit?<br>If he has, then that explains a lot.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:32 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:16 am 
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just to comment on the "adolf was a socialist" comment and that "lefties are the most oppressive of the lot", "history tells us that". I think this is possibly the most moronic thing I've ever heard. Firstly you seem to suggest that Tony Blair's government is socialist! this is a little silly to say the least. Also I think fascist is a more appropriate parameter to put Hitler into which is an extreme right-wing position, it is a bit over-simplistic to say socialism was his priority. The socialist part wasn't what oppressed the people, it was the fascism.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:25 am 
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Interesting, in the clip above Frank say's TWO things that need to be done together, one is register to vote, and the other is Frank Says:<br>"You NEED to pay attention to what these people in office are doing to your future".<br>My comment's of course is about people who are voting Kerry to oust Bush WITHOUT paying attention to WHO Kerry represents. What Kerry plans to do is pick up where Bush left off in both Israel, and in the push for corporate / military occupation in Iraq, and pushing the US / CIA member government of Iraq. Kerry says at least ten years military occupation in Iraq, AND 14 US permanent military bases in Iraq. Under Kerry, we WILL stay and we will lose many more American lives guarding the oil.<br><br>The reason planes crash into our buildings and kill innocent Americans is because big busness gets cheap labor, and cheap resources by aiding oppressive governments abroad. They are fighting back. If we continue to push money goals abroad, they will keep fighting back, and we'll need to keep on spending hundreds of billions of our tax dollars every year to be sure we out gun the oppressed. It's very very good for business, but it's wrong on BOTH sides to kill. If we drop the pushing of corporate profit goals abroad, the killing that's directed against us will stop. If we continue the corporate push as both Kerry and Bush plan to do, the killing will escalate.<br><br>If one votes for Kerry or Bush, they are voting for killing in the name of corporate profit, (and us sukkers ain't gettin doo-dee).<br><br>Kerry and Bush want to keep the oil, Nader will pull the military and corporate occupation from Iraq. If you like oil and killing, vote for Kerry or Bush because their policy in Iraq is the same. If you'd like to stop the violence, AND spend the hundreds of billions of tax dollars instead on things we're desperate for at home, vote Nader.<br><br>It's necessary to do PART TWO of what Frank says in the movie clip above:<br>"You need to pay attention to what the people in office are doing to your future".<br>Wise words from Frank.<br><br>Indeed we're on track for 1.5 billion dollars of slime to ooze from the TV sets this fall, paid for by corporate who needs us to vote in one of the two candidates who will do their bidding. We don't have to lap it up, rather, we can project what these men will do in the future from their voting records and what they have done in the past. Instead of wanting to believe their smooth practiced rhetoric, we can think for ourselves.<br><br>Don't be afraid to be different, re-evaluate because the whole truth is out now, we know more than we did before.<br>Vote peace!<br><br><br><br>

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:26 am 
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PS. Thanks for the link to Frank's clip slimey :D

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For Further Information: <br>Wednesday, July 14, 2004 Kevin Zeese 202-265-4000 <br><br>Green Leaders Endorse Nader-Camejo Ticket<br>Camejo, Gonzalez condemn attacks by the Democratic Party on Nader, call for fair elections<br>SAN FRANCISCO -- Vice-presidential Candidate Peter Camejo and San Francisco Supervisor Matt Gonzalez defended Ralph Nader’s right to run for president at a news conference in San Francisco Tuesday morning. <br><br>...<br><br>More than 500 Green Party leaders signed a statement of support drafted by Camejo, Gonzalez and Jason West, Mayor of New Paltz, NY. Among the signers are Green presidential candidates Carol Miller and Lorna Salzman, former Lt. Governor Candidate Donna Warren, Kevin McKeown, Mayor Pro Tem of Santa Monica, CA and many Green elected officials, party leaders and activists from across the United States. The list of signers is at: http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?glfn <br><br>"It is frustrating to me the lengths the Democrats will go, to attack Nader for wanting to run and express their views," said Gonzalez. Yet they won’t put the same energy into trying to reform the two party system that is clearly the culprit in the dilemma that faces Americans. I want to remind people the facts are overwhelming," Gonzalez said. "At least 7 million Democrats voted for Bush in the 2000 election." <br><br>"The mystery of the 2004 campaign is that tens of millions of Americans oppose the war in Iraq, possibly a majority of Americans oppose the Patriot Act, and yet John Kerry and John Edwards, who are for the Patriot Act and for the war, are about to become the recipient of these tens of millions of votes of people who disagree with them," said Camejo. <br><br>"Everyone knows that the majority of registered Democrats oppose the politics of their party’s candidates and are closer to the politics of the Nader/Camejo ticket," added Camejo. "So why aren’t these tens of millions of people saying they will vote Nader/Camejo, for peace, and to abolish the Patriot Act? <br><br><br><br><br><br>

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:20 am 
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sorry for the bump, I just wanted to put a link here for reference. (It's the thread where CNN's Wolf Blitzer is pointing out how Kerry and Bush are the same on the war push, and contrasts Nader wants to pull corporate and the military from the oil):<br><br>http://www.zappa.com/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1089725047

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Don't accept that what's happening <br><br>Is just a case of others' suffering<br><br>Or you'll find that you're joining in<br><br>The turning away<br><br>-- Pink Floyd<br>

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<br><br>[center]America -We Need To Talk<br><br>By Sheila Samples[/center]

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[center]What if the whole world could vote in the U.S. presidential election? <br><br>http://www.betavote.com/<br><br>[sub]..some alarming figures there   ::)<br>currently,..<br>Bush 16%<br>Kerry 83%[/sub][/center]

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:54 am 
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Michael Moore:<br>
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To All First-Time Voters:<br><br>         Welcome to the longest running, uninterrupted democracy on earth! You own it. It’s yours.<br>         A few words about how messy it’s going to be tomorrow. The lines are going to be long. Bring your iPods. Better yet, bring a friend or two. The election officials have no clue just how many millions are going to show up at the polls. This will be the largest turnout in our lifetime. They don’t have enough machines. They are going to have to send for more ballots.<br>         And they are going to make it difficult for you to vote. The new law says if this is your first time voting you must bring ID with you that matches the address you are registered at.<br>         If for some reason they can’t find your name on the voting rolls, you have the right to ask for a provisional ballot, which you can fill out and then sort things out later.<br>         If you have any problems at the polling place, please call 1-866-OUR-VOTE. The people there can tell you how to find the precinct where you should be voting, get you legal help if you are denied the right to vote, or answer any other questions you may have.<br>         If you need any help figuring out the ballot, don’t be afraid to ask. If you screw up your ballot, you can ask for another one. In fact, the law allows you to screw up your ballot two times before you finally have to submit your final ballot! Be careful to vote on the line that says John F. Kerry/John Edwards. Don’t vote for more than one Presidential, Senate or House candidate or you ballot won’t be counted. If your polling place has a stub or a receipt from your ballot, make sure they give you one.<br>         Thanks for joining us. Democracy is not a spectator sport. It only works when we all come off the bench and participate.<br>
<br><br> -/dr_grogg<br><br>

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:08 am 
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A problem....<br><br>Anybody worried that Kerry will win this just because of the "uninformed" vote. I see a ton of people voting for Kerry because either:<br>a)Howard Stern will be off the air if Bush stays (which is BS) <br>b)Michael Moore's movie and how Howard keeps pushing it(which is more BS)<br><br>I guess we will see if there is a "uninformed" vote if all of the democrats win. I can see people voting for Kerry for the wrong reasons than keep voting for all of the other democrats because Kerry is one and "Bush is evil"<br><br>I think Kerry would make a great president....<br>For FRANCE!!!!!!<br> ::)

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