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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:32 am 
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Hello. My "Jazz" collection is rather thin, can someone recommend a great jazz album from for example: John Coltrane or charles Mingus?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:38 am 
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Try Oliver Nelson's Blues and the Abstract Truth album. Lots of great players on this: Oliver Nelson, Eric Dolphy, George Barrow, Freddie Hubbard, Bill Evans, Paul Chambers and Roy Haynes.

And the first track is Stolen Moments.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:01 pm 
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Ed Palermo big band; Eddy Loves Frank, Alias Smith and Lane, Ted Koosian; Standard Orbit Quartet, the new Brubeck Brothers Quartet cd. Have you listened to an old album from john Mayall called, turning point?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:10 pm 
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Coltrane - Ole

Mingus - Revenge (The Paris Concert, 1964)

Cannonball Adderley - The Price You Gotta Pay To Be Free

The first 2 have Eric Dolphy on sax/flute.

The Cannonball has Joe Zawinul on electric piano. I don't think it's on cd but it might be. It's incredible and many people have never even heard it. Double album from 1970.


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Revenge is fantastic.
Mingus at Antibes is another good one too.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:18 pm 
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My introduction to Coltrane (from my dad's collection):

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I had a Coltrane kick a few years back and ended up with these favourites: Both live albums from the Village Vanguard - the first one is easier to get into, "live at the Village Vanguard again" is extremely wild and dense. Crescent is beautiful, Meditations is intense and wild. My overall Coltrane favourite is A Love Supreme. Other jazz favourites: Dolphy's Out to Lunch of course, and Andrew Hill's Point of Departure. But my jazz collection is also pretty slim, and totally eclectic.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Tiz6INF7I

Hit the road Jack!
some real Jazz :mrgreen:

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If you're new to jazz, Charles Mingus is a great gateway, especially coming from Zappa. I highly recommend Mingus Ah Um and Black Saint and the Sinner Lady.


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If you're new to jazz, Charles Mingus is a great gateway, especially coming from Zappa. I highly recommend Mingus Ah Um and Black Saint and the Sinner Lady.


seconded, and also the great concert of charles mingus.

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coltrane: giant steps, my favorite things, a love supreme, live at the village vanguard: the master takes, live at birdland.

eric dolphy: out to lunch, at the five spot, last date.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:12 pm 
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A Love Supreme by Trane himself.

OK, it's about God but I love the music.

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Thanks! I'm definitely gonna buy a few jazz albums today!
I'm very new to jazz, my first introduction to jazz (except a few fusion albums by miles davis) was Eric Dolphy's Out To Lunch!
and the only reason i bought it, was because Ben Watson mentioned it in the freak out documentary.
I was kinda put off after the first listen, but now it finally starts to grow on me. :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:38 am 
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By the way, A Love Supreme is considered with Davis' A Kind of Blue to be the quintessential Jazz album.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:45 am 
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By the way, A Love Supreme is considered with Davis' A Kind of Blue to be the quintessential Jazz album.

I know I'm in the minority on this one, but A Love Surpreme is a little boring. I know the history of it, I have the 2 disc collection and I've tried over the last 20 years or so to get into it, and it has some charm, but imo its one of the most overrated albums of all time. There are many Coltrane albums that I love and listen to regularly. I've always thought I'd come around to liking this one, but I have to face the fact that its never really done much for me.

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A Love Supreme is spiritual trance music, it has cosmik powers...

Talking of Cosmik, any Sun Ra fans here?

Mr_Green_Genes wrote:
BBC Documentary: Sun Ra, Brother From Another Planet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqZHzpAYVIk

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OK TFKA, that's your opinion.
I on the other hand wouldn't say it's boring, it's just smoother than most of the other Coltrane records. Like Mr_Green_Genes says, it's spiritual.

If you want to have it in a faster groove, go for Live at Birdland or Olé Coltrane!



Two other saxmen I can recommend are:
- Wayne Shorter with albums like Schizophrenia or Et Cetera
- Joe Henderson with Inner Urge or Mode for Joe

If you like a rougher sax tone, go for Sonny Rollins.


And then another Jazz album I really dig and want to point out here is Indestructible by Art Blakey.

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Mr_Green_Genes wrote:
A Love Supreme is spiritual trance music, it has cosmik powers...

Talking of Cosmik, any Sun Ra fans here?

I don't buy it. I think it was a powerful thing for Coltrane to make and any time a respected artist relates that kind of story to the faithful, it gets taken as gospel. Personally, I think it was probably alot more spiritual for him to play than what came across. I've seen so many people over the years breathlessly elatedly going on about what they've felt when they've played something yet the results indicate otherwise. I think that most listeners don't bother to question it.
Now Sun Ra, he's got some Cosmik shit going on... They plan to land!

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Love Supreme even has the Big Note going on... It works for me...

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some more recommendations:

dave brubeck - time out
ornette coleman - the shape of jazz to come
miles davis - miles smiles
bill evans - sunday at the village vanguard
john abercrombie - gateway
keith jarrett - changeless, still live
john mclaughlin - my goals beyond
thelonious monk - live at the it club, brilliant corners
sonny rollins - saxophone colossus
mccoy tyner - trident
john zorn - masada live at tonic, 2001

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Meditations by Coltrane?

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Meditations by Coltrane?

A wild and engaging record - McCoy Tyner (piano) and Jimmy Garrison (bass) give a common base for Elvin Jones and Pharaoh Sanders in the right channel and Rashied Ali with Coltrane in the left channel. They really used the stereo format in those days - remember Coleman's double quartet on Free Jazz. And Coltrane liked playing his sax through just one of the channels, as on A Love Supreme. Which is kinda logical, when you consider that one loudspeaker is a focussed sound source, just like the saxophone itself. Your living room becomes the sound stage. I enjoy A Love Supreme totally, btw, although I can see why some people are put off by the concept. To me, it's basically just intense and beautiful music - Coltrane in full flight + something more cerebral in the end.

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Popssibly my favourite jazz album, and pretty acessible too.


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Here are some of mine, in no particular order or era;

Miles Davis - Milestones
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
Eric Dolpy - Out to Lunch
Oscar Peterson - We Get Requests
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
John Coltrane - Giant Steps
Dave Brubeck - Time Out
Ornette Coleman - Something Else
Ornette Coleman - This is our Music
Ornette Coleman - Change of the Century (Shit, his entire Atlantic recordings)
Roland Kirk - We Three Kings
Roland Kirk - I talk with the Spirits
Charles Mingus - Oh Yeah
Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners
Prince Lasha - The Cry
Cecil Taylor - New York City R&B
Bud Powell - The Amazing Bud Powell. Vol. 1
Bill Evans - The Complete Village Vanguard Sessions

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