polydigm wrote:
Okay, up until now, to some degree I have just been taking the piss, but the following is my honest opinion about all this.
It seems to me that the thread began with a reasonable question. Does that graphic portray a reasonable view of Obama or is it just fear mongering propaganda? A simple enough question and my honest answer is that it's the latter. But the problem is on this forum that certain enmities have become entrenched and as such a reasonable discussion about anything political here is virtually impossible.
The thing about DB's claims about unfettering capitalism, is that they are impossible to prove. Capitalism has been around for a long time now and if you check the historical record, private capitalists in the early days were notoriously mean and that's putting it mildly. 12 hour working days, 6 days a week; payment for work barely enough to live on and support a family; ridiculously inadequate and dangerous working conditions; ten year olds being used in factories whose health ended up being shot and lasting barely beyond their youth; etc etc. The changes in Capitalism that have civilised it over the last hundred and fifty years or so were forced upon it by unionisation and the development of responsible government. The rising industrialist class in the 19th century used parliament themselves to improve their position against the traditional holders of power in property. So they brought some of the fettering on themselves. It's ludicrous to believe that humans in general have changed their nature that much that unfettering Capitalism would lead to the fixing of all our current economic woes.
The maintenance of a small privileged class of people controlling the allocation of the surplus value of social production can only ever lead to conflict. We should surely have learnt our lesson about human beings from Feudalism. If you have a benevolent King then things might turn out fine, but history has shown that Kings were largely not benevolent and things generally only turned out well for them. And hey presto, along comes Capitalism, and has human nature really advanced that much that we can trust the captains of industry to build a world that benefits everyone? Spare me.
You can call this a wrong opinion if you like but it is one based on an educated study of history and I personally could not trust people like DB as far as I could throw them.
An educated study of history? My ass. You're not being objective. But then again, I'm not surprised.
If you read my posts in the Ron Paul thread as well as a few other threads on this issue, you'd already know that I've more than explicitly detailed that history PROVES Mixed Economies and/or economies with free market principles DO work and work well. The Roaring Twenties, Mussolini's Italy of the early-mid 20's and more recently with Chile, are the finest examples. But that's not to say economic systems as such don't come without their problems or that there aren't evils embedded in the heart Capitalism itself because there are. Nor did I say that this system or any, would lead to the fixing of all our current economic woes. But comparing Feudalism & Medieval era economies to present or recent century economic systems is laughable at best. And so is stating over the last 150 years or so that responsible Government (there is virtually NO such thing) and unionisation are the sole beneficiaries of Capitalism. Wow. Did you really just state that? Just wow. I point that out because the opposite is more than obviously true.
Capitalism has almost single-handedly and systematically saved, developed and improved society since day one by not only providing the platform for jobs, technological creations and developments within industry, but the incentive for such productivity, diligence, and pride in achievement. And without it, Socialism/Communism would be allowed to run amok, systematically and severely diminishing, if not destroying societies as we know it. Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Chavez, Hitler, Castro, Jong-un, Jong-il, etc., and their dictatorships, which were/are, in most cases, initially disguised as benevolent Socialism/Communism, are perfect examples of how that lie is planted in the fields of the minds of Capitalism-bashing ignorants that slowly but surely insidiously develops into a freedom-crushing onslaught. We should all know by now history PROVES that it's not even remotely a logical economic systematic alternative, unless you're willing to relinquish your rights, privileges and freedoms to create capital for yourself & your family, not to mention be subjugated to Government dictatorship over your entire life, stripping you of any individualistic expression present otherwise. NO economic system benefits everyone - and to expect a system, whether it's Capitalism or not, to do such a thing, is beyond ignorant.
Regardless of Capitalism's flaws, Socialism/Communism has NEVER worked. Nor will it EVER work. It is pie-in-the-sky-pseudo-benevolent-unrealistic-garbage. Period.
For those of you shitting all over Capitalism (which is the result of your historical, economic and fiscal ignorance), especially while simultaneously biting the hand that feeds you, give your fucking heads a shake, will ya?
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