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godammit, mr nice guy!

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Who here believes that Walmart gives a fuck about your family?
So they're required to give a fuck about your family?

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You're TOTALLY missing the point of my statement.

And not only that, but most Walmart jobs are NOT meant to pay a living wage, since most of their employees are just entering the work force and hence, NOT experienced. So, considering that, wtf should Walmart pay an entry level employee a unionized wage, ala $25 per hour, when they don't have the experience to earn that wage, especially considering many other workers in other industries aren't necessarily making that with 5-10+ years worth of experience? That's NOT how the market works. And if it did, it would establish a VERY dangerous precedent for employers, especially ones that can't afford a wage like that (most employers)...

You asked a question: "So they're required to give a fuck about your family?"

I provided an answer in the form of a Franklin D. Roosevelt quote: "No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country."

I must admit, you're quite proficient in blah - blah - blah. 8)

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Disco Boy wrote:
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Who here believes that Walmart gives a fuck about your family?


So they're required to give a fuck about your family?

No. Of course not. Don't be silly.
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most Walmart jobs are NOT meant to pay a living wage, since most of their employees are just entering the work force and hence, NOT experienced. So, considering that, wtf should Walmart pay an entry level employee a unionized wage, ala $25 per hour, when they don't have the experience to earn that wage, especially considering many other workers in other industries aren't necessarily making that with 5-10+ years worth of experience? That's NOT how the market works. And if it did, it would establish a VERY dangerous precedent for employers, especially ones that can't afford a wage like that (most employers)...

So workers with up to 10 years experience still not making minimum wage is "how the market works", and keeping all of those inexperienced workers under minimum wage for up to 10 years is avoiding a great "danger"?
When lower paid workers have money, they spend most of it (no chance of saving of course). Spending money stimulates the economy. Upping payments to minimum wage would stimulate the economy more.
I'd like an ad hominem please.
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How did DB get to 25.00 per hour? The argument I read (in the news, not here) is for that few dollars more. This would get loads of people off of food stamps. Walmart is well aware of this and love the model as is. They be playing the system.


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He made the number up. When people on this forum talk about Wal-Mart Employees, they are usually referring to Cashiers or Stock Employees and those jobs don't make $10 / hr.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Walmart-Hourly-Pay-E715.htm

According to that website, it looks like you have to be either a Technician or a Manager at Wal-Mart to make over $10 / hr.

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Downer Mydnyte wrote:
Who here believes that Walmart gives a fuck about your family?

Disco Boy wrote:
So they're required to give a fuck about your family?



No. Walmart (bless them) is absolutely NOT required to give a fuck about your family.

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Save Money, Live Better.....probably doesn't apply to the people who work there for less than a living wage.


Oh yeah, one foot down in front of the other, that's the way forward.


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Then you might have to work two jobs for a while, get some training on a skill that pays more, I did, cut grass , delivered pizza, you gotta get after it, this country is where it can happen

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Save Money, Live Better.....probably doesn't apply to the people who work there for less than a living wage.

I'm not worried about Americans who choose to work at Walmart. It's the children born into child slavery- who work in the manufacturing plants to make these cheap products for Walmart so that Walmart can sell the products at low prices to their ignorant customers- that I am concerned about.




Victimization through Free-market

A free-market gives the ones with political, financial and legal power to suppress all competition to create a monopoly in an economic system. Hence, the people are crushed further in a slave system which constantly takes lives of the common man.

Bangladesh is the perfect example, where the people are the cheapest labour on earth. With no basic amenities, and living far below the poverty line, the people have no choice to remain within the trap that has been created for them.

They have been burning in the sweatshops for over a decade, Walmart and the lot get away with their crimes because they can easily use the main stream media against the people itself. They write off their crimes by putting the blame on the contractors, factory owners and the government who were all manipulated by Walmart to begin with.

Walmart’s old blame game works -

- Blame the contractor

- Blame the government

- Fake investigations

- Fake Press information release

- Controlled Activists

- Controlled Media

Majority of the opposition have been set up by the corporations themselves so that the normal people never try to fight back on their own. They can manipulate the facts using linguistic weaponry, and confusing the readers by creating ambiguity using manipulative forms of writing.

Media is one of the main weapons which keeps the people in the state of discussion, as Walmart pretenses to create fake investigations to make people believe that there are people going through the system to ensure safety of the people, when there is nothing going on.

It becomes a never ending loop, where the true criminal gets away with their crime easily. Those who have been victimized, have no one-left to turn to, end up in the same hole they were trying to escape. Inevitably, waiting for their deaths, in another accident just waiting to happen.

In a way, death becomes their final escape, but the ones responsible for the crime get away with cold-hearted murder, all in the name for profits..


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Jeeze thats cool you should go to china and see if you can help change work environment.

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Jeeze thats cool you should go to china and see if you can help change work environment.

Well, that's just plain old UnAmerican! I don't need to go to China to change their work environment. I can change it right here in the USA by selective purchasing. What are you, a commie? You're one of them socialists, aint ya?

I have the right to wear socks made by children who had guns at their backs while they made 'em. It's every American's right not to care about where their material possessions came from. The Lord wants us to be comfortable! The Lord is punishing those folks in China and that's why they work 18 hours a day in appalling conditions so that good people like me and you can have some cheap socks to wear! I'm never going to China. I got everything I need right here in the usa.


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Mr. Nice Guy wrote:
You asked a question: "So they're required to give a fuck about your family?"

I provided an answer in the form of a Franklin D. Roosevelt quote: "No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country."


FDR didn't understand economics, basic laws of supply & demand or how markets worked either. That's why unemployment rates drastically increased after he signed The New Deal in 1933...and hence, in doing so, prolonged The Great Depression.

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I must admit, you're quite proficient in blah - blah - blah. 8)


I must admit, it's interesting to me that you answer a question that wasn't originally asked for you to answer. And then when I ask YOU questions, you don't answer. Well, it's good to know you're not not evading things...

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Disco Boy wrote:
most Walmart jobs are NOT meant to pay a living wage, since most of their employees are just entering the work force and hence, NOT experienced. So, considering that, wtf should Walmart pay an entry level employee a unionized wage, ala $25 per hour, when they don't have the experience to earn that wage, especially considering many other workers in other industries aren't necessarily making that with 5-10+ years worth of experience? That's NOT how the market works. And if it did, it would establish a VERY dangerous precedent for employers, especially ones that can't afford a wage like that (most employers)...

So workers with up to 10 years experience still not making minimum wage is "how the market works", and keeping all of those inexperienced workers under minimum wage for up to 10 years is avoiding a great "danger"?


Huh? No, I meant that a dangerous precedent would be set if Walmart started paying most of their employees unionized types of wages, because it would force other employers to pay higher wages, despite the fact that most of them wouldn't be able to afford to do that...and hence they would have to lay off a percentage of their workforce in order to play those types of unionized wages for the workers that they kept.

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When lower paid workers have money, they spend most of it (no chance of saving of course). Spending money stimulates the economy. Upping payments to minimum wage would stimulate the economy more.
I'd like an ad hominem please.
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While spending money does stimulate the economy, increasing the minimum wage at a time like this is incredibly stupid, since it means employers will be less likely to hire more workers.

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How did DB get to 25.00 per hour? The argument I read (in the news, not here) is for that few dollars more. This would get loads of people off of food stamps. Walmart is well aware of this and love the model as is. They be playing the system.


You don't understand economics either, do you?

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Victimization through Free-market

A free-market gives the ones with political, financial and legal power to suppress all competition to create a monopoly in an economic system. Hence, the people are crushed further in a slave system which constantly takes lives of the common man.


Dude, it's the COMPLETE OPPOSITE. There has NEVER been a permanent coercive monopoly in ANY free market-based economy. Only Government interference and collusion in the marketplace can create coercive monopolies.

However, a voluntary monopoly can exist in a free market-based economy - there has only been ONE to my knowledge and that's the Da Beers Diamond Company. But I don't have a problem with voluntary monopolies, since it involves the public's free choice to place a product or business at the top and not support the others...

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Disco Boy wrote:

FDR didn't understand economics, basic laws of supply & demand or how markets worked either. That's why unemployment rates drastically increased after he signed The New Deal in 1933...and hence, in doing so, prolonged The Great Depression.



US Gross Domestic Product (current dollars)
The Great Crash, 1929-1933
in 1929: $103.6 billion
in 1930: $91.2
in 1931: $76.5
in 1932: $58.7
in 1933: $56.4

New Deal Recovery and Recession, 1934-39
in 1934: $66.0 billion
in 1935: $73.3
in 1936: $83.8
in 1937: $91.9
in 1938: $86.1
in 1939: $92.2


Unemployment During the Great Depression

Average rate of unemployment
in 1929: 3.2%
in 1930: 8.9%
in 1931: 16.3%
in 1932: 24.1%
in 1933: 24.9%
in 1934: 21.7%
in 1935: 20.1%
in 1936: 16.9%
in 1937: 14.3%
in 1938: 19.0%
in 1939: 17.2%

http://www.shmoop.com/great-depression/statistics.html

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Caputh wrote:
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FDR didn't understand economics, basic laws of supply & demand or how markets worked either. That's why unemployment rates drastically increased after he signed The New Deal in 1933...and hence, in doing so, prolonged The Great Depression.


US Gross Domestic Product (current dollars)
The Great Crash, 1929-1933
in 1929: $103.6 billion
in 1930: $91.2
in 1931: $76.5
in 1932: $58.7
in 1933: $56.4

New Deal Recovery and Recession, 1934-39
in 1934: $66.0 billion
in 1935: $73.3
in 1936: $83.8
in 1937: $91.9
in 1938: $86.1
in 1939: $92.2


Other than The New Deal, the primary reason why the GDP decreased in 1938 was because there was a recession. And GDP increased nearly $6 Billion in 1939 from the previous year because WWII began.

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Unemployment During the Great Depression

Average rate of unemployment
in 1929: 3.2%
in 1930: 8.9%
in 1931: 16.3%
in 1932: 24.1%
in 1933: 24.9%
in 1934: 21.7%
in 1935: 20.1%
in 1936: 16.9%
in 1937: 14.3%
in 1938: 19.0%
in 1939: 17.2%

http://www.shmoop.com/great-depression/statistics.html


19.0% in 1938. Which was up from 14.3% the previous year. Also, other than The New Deal, the primary reason why the unemployment rate increased in 1938 was because there was a recession. And the main reason why the unemployment rate drastically decreased in the early-mid '40s was because there weren't nearly as many people in the labor force due to WWII.

Nice try, though. Your posts never fail to entertain me...

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Ah, so an unemployment rate of 24.9% in 1933 and unemployment rate of 19.4% in 1938 and statistics that show the unemployment rate generally falling after the introduction of the New Deal in 1933 prove...
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[t]hat's why unemployment rates drastically increased after he signed The New Deal in 1933.


BTW there are three explanations for the recession of 1938:
Keynesian: Blame cuts in federal spending and increases in taxes at the insistence of the US Treasury and cutbacks in the New Deal Programme itself.
Monetarists: The Federal Reserve tightened the money supply in 1937.
Austrian School: Expansion of the money supply from 1933-37.

DB's mind...That's one empty cookie jar. I've decided to put it back on the shelf for a while. But I may take it down again later.

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Caputh wrote:
Ah, so an unemployment rate of 24.9% in 1933 and unemployment rate of 19.4% in 1938 and statistics that show the unemployment rate generally falling after the introduction of the New Deal in 1933 prove...
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...that's why unemployment rates drastically increased after he signed The New Deal in 1933.


Yet ANOTHER misquote. :roll:

And secondly, The New Deal and The Second New Deal were technically written throughout the '30s.


Caputh wrote:
BTW there are three explanations for the recession of 1938:
Keynesian: Blame cuts in federal spending and increases in taxes at the insistence of the US Treasury and cutbacks in the New Deal Programme itself.
Monetarists: The Federal Reserve tightened the money supply in 1937.
Austrian School: Expansion of the money supply from 1933-37.


No, there are more than that.

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DB's mind...That's one empty cookie jar. I've decided to put it back on the shelf for a while. But I may take it down again later.


ROTF! :mrgreen:

You can't even reach it...

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Isn't it amazing how apparently most of the beliefs of Frank Zappa can be summed up in a 4 second soundbite from an interview from 1988 lasting over 10 minutes and 9 other short quotes?

In order to understand the wit and wisdom of Disco Boy, on the other hand, it is not enough to quote his words. You have to quote them in context. That context is not merely restricted to the whole post; you have to quote the entire page and sometimes the entire thread, possibly the entire website for his heightened enlightenment (based on YEARS of study) to become apparent.
He is obviously so much more complicated than a run-of-the-mill muso like Frank Zappa!

Don't expect him to explain what he meant either! Like the early Christians we should really form a conclave to interpret the divine meaning. So when he writes...
Disco Boy wrote:
[t]hat's why unemployment rates drastically increased after he [FDR] signed The New Deal in 1933
... like a gnostic text, we have to understand that 19% in 1938 is actually more than 24.9% in 1933. "Consider the lilies..."

As regards cookie jars, DB already had reliably informed me that I am in possession of one...
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[...]you're like a little kid grasping for the cookie jar...only once you reach it, you realize there's NOTHING in it. But for some reason, you still believe you've accomplished something by actually reaching it.


Ah, the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away (again!)

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Caputh wrote:
Isn't it amazing how apparently most of the beliefs of Frank Zappa can be summed up in a 4 second soundbite from an interview from 1988 lasting over 10 minutes and 9 other short quotes?

In order to understand the wit and wisdom of Disco Boy, on the other hand, it is not enough to quote his words. You have to quote them in context. That context is not merely restricted to the whole post; you have to quote the entire page and sometimes the entire thread, possibly the entire website for his heightened enlightenment (based on YEARS of study) to become apparent.
He is obviously so much more complicated than a run-of-the-mill muso like Frank Zappa!

Don't expect him to explain what he meant either! Like the early Christians we should really form a conclave to interpret the divine meaning. So when he writes...
Disco Boy wrote:
[t]hat's why unemployment rates drastically increased after he [FDR] signed The New Deal in 1933
... like a gnostic text, we have to understand that 19% in 1938 is actually more than 24.9% in 1933. "Consider the lilies..."

As regards cookie jars, DB already had reliably informed me that I am in possession of one...
Disco Boy wrote:
[...]you're like a little kid grasping for the cookie jar...only once you reach it, you realize there's NOTHING in it. But for some reason, you still believe you've accomplished something by actually reaching it.


Ah, the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away (again!)


Yet even MORE misquotes, selective quotes & misinterpretations.

1. I provided a VERY detailed list, PROVING my point that almost all of FZ's beliefs were Libertarian-based - NONE of said beliefs are part of the Democratic platform.

2. You indulge in even MORE misquotes, selective quotes & misinterpretations.

3. The US unemployment rate in 1937 was 14.3% and INCREASED to 19% in 1938. This was a NEGATIVE change.

4. You are a fucking idiot.

Why do I even bother with your BS?! :roll:

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You asked a question: "So they're required to give a fuck about your family?"

I provided an answer in the form of a Franklin D. Roosevelt quote: "No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country."


FDR didn't understand economics, basic laws of supply & demand or how markets worked either. That's why unemployment rates drastically increased after he signed The New Deal in 1933...and hence, in doing so, prolonged The Great Depression.



Ah, I didn't realize in reading the Good Lord's original post that in writing 1933 he was actually quite "obviously" referring to 1937. But now I see the light.

The DB Commandments...
(King James Version)
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2. Thou shalt not show agreement with any person other than myself, save when he agrees with me. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the DB thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that post against me. And shewing mercy unto the one or possibly two of them that love me, and keep my Libertarian commandments.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord DB thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who useth ad hominems against him.

4. Remember Ron Paul and keep him holy. 10 million votes shall he have, but in the end two million shall be their number, the numbers ten and two being the same.

5. Honour Mussolini, Pinochet and Thatcher until such time as I, the Lord God DB, cease honouring them.

6. Thou shalt not kill anyone save socialists.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery of DB's holy words by manipulation or misquotation by quoting him in any form that is less than at least one cubit.

8. Thou shalt not steal except in the case of the employers of child labour in the industrial revolution for this causeth economic growth and is good in the eyes of the Lord DB.

9. Thou shalt bear false witness against thy neighbour by quoting his own words excepting that those words be of the Good Lord DB.

10. Thou shalt covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt covet thy neighbour’s wife and his manservant, his maidservant, his ox, his ass, and any thing that is thy neighbour’s for ONE. MORE.TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD this is Austrian Economics.

The Good Lord DB wrote:
Why do I even bother with your BS?


I know. It must be hard being a deity. A pity they can't choose their own acolytes.

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It's funny to watch Disco Douche make another inaccurate claim, such as the increase in unemployment because of the New Deal which was signed in 1933, which in reality, it decreased. Then he predictably back tracks. :lol:


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Caputh wrote:
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You asked a question: "So they're required to give a fuck about your family?"

I provided an answer in the form of a Franklin D. Roosevelt quote: "No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country."


FDR didn't understand economics, basic laws of supply & demand or how markets worked either. That's why unemployment rates drastically increased after he signed The New Deal in 1933...and hence, in doing so, prolonged The Great Depression.



Ah, I didn't realize in reading the Good Lord's original post that in writing 1933 he was actually quite "obviously" referring to 1937. But now I see the light.


Where did I say it was? Like I stated, The New Deal (and The Second New Deal) was written over several years throughout the '30s. :roll:

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The DB Commandments...
(King James Version)
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2. Thou shalt not show agreement with any person other than myself, save when he agrees with me. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the DB thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that post against me. And shewing mercy unto the one or possibly two of them that love me, and keep my Libertarian commandments.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord DB thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who useth ad hominems against him.

4. Remember Ron Paul and keep him holy. 10 million votes shall he have, but in the end two million shall be their number, the numbers ten and two being the same.

5. Honour Mussolini, Pinochet and Thatcher until such time as I, the Lord God DB, cease honouring them.

6. Thou shalt not kill anyone save socialists.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery of DB's holy words by manipulation or misquotation by quoting him in any form that is less than at least one cubit.

8. Thou shalt not steal except in the case of the employers of child labour in the industrial revolution for this causeth economic growth and is good in the eyes of the Lord DB.

9. Thou shalt bear false witness against thy neighbour by quoting his own words excepting that those words be of the Good Lord DB.

10. Thou shalt covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt covet thy neighbour’s wife and his manservant, his maidservant, his ox, his ass, and any thing that is thy neighbour’s for ONE. MORE.TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD this is Austrian Economics.

The Good Lord DB wrote:
Why do I even bother with your BS?


I know. It must be hard being a deity. A pity they can't choose their own acolytes.


Ah yes! Even more diversion tactics intertwined with heaps of verbosity-ridden-diarrhoea-laced selective quotes & misquotes that go nowhere, like the rest of your posting history...since you otherwise can't win a debate with me to save your life.

tweedle-dumb wrote:
It's funny to watch Disco Douche make another inaccurate claim, such as the increase in unemployment because of the New Deal which was signed in 1933, which in reality, it decreased. Then he predictably back tracks. :lol:

I would say, "quit while your ahead", but, that boy ain't been ahead since his own behind has been attached to his own face.


Oh...so you're also into misquoting me now too?! Wonderful! I guess you're both a tag-team or something?!

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"..he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD DB, he shall surely be put to death, and all the one or possibly two members of the congregation shall certainly stone him."
Lediscoticus 24:13-16

"And this phrase, “one more time for the world” makes clear that the things shaken are removed, since they are created things, so that the things not shaken may remain.
Hebrewdiscos 12:27-29

"Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the points are made better."
—Eboysiastes 7:3

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