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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:34 pm 
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You're basing my knowledge on one particular set of recent posts about Atlas Shrugged? :roll:


Yep; it's not much evidence is it? Then again, you've shown us little else. Mind you, it's better than nothing at all.


I guess you don't know what the defintion of the word "little" means because I've provided evidence and fact backing up my points for TWO FUCKING YEARS. But of course, ALL you can do is throw ad hominems and straw-man arguments at me instead. You have FAILED to provide a convincing argument to the contrary.

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But then again, this is coming from someone who thinks that, "Socialism is the future."


Disco Boy on Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:28 am wrote:
But then again, socialism is the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock:


viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19887&p=568566&hilit=+Socialism+is+the+future+#p568566

If you carry on repeating it often enough, DB, your wish may be granted...


If you carry on denying you stated it and instead provide quotes of me sarcastically stating it myself, one day people here might actually believe your denial of that statement - especially since you obviously deleted the comment in question.

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This coming from someone who can't even construct, let alone lay out a convincing argument to the contrary...


What's there to say? What you want me to say?

DB: free market economy! free market economy! free market economy!

Me: You are so prescient!

or

Me: Yes, I've read Ayn Rand, too.

or

Me: You remind me of the kid who said: "I like turtles."

As Caputh pointed out: you have shown us little else.


ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

I've provided evidence and fact backing up my points for TWO FUCKING YEARS. But of course, ALL you can do is throw ad hominems and straw-man arguments at me instead. You have FAILED to provide a convincing argument to the contrary.

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I'm surprised you still don't seem to understand how markets work, let alone that the Housing Bubble Crisis would NOT have happened if we lived in a free market-based economy, just like Ayn Rand prophecized in Atlas Shrugged in 1957 - only the plot mainly dealt with the railroad industry and not the banking industry.


Thats funny how she's your Prophet, hahaha.

I was curious if you were aware of Mandeville. Clearly, you would be now, but weren't before BP posted.


You haven't read Atlas Shrugged, have you (I doubt many here have)? Because if you had, you'd be absolutely shocked at how eerily similar the plot is to present day politics and specifically the Housing Bubble Crisis, not to mention how spot on and extremely intelligent she was about these things and many others too...

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I really need to quit dealing with pedestrian characters like disco boy, it's an unhealthy hobby.


My wife agrees with you; however, it's rather like smoking, going to McDonald's, eating Pringles or reading Margaret Thatcher's autobiography - all things that I enjoy doing.
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It is also a bit like dealing with other cars in traffic. They might yell, honk etc... but the back-and-forth is more steam than substance. One time, many years ago, someone cut me off in highway traffic, so I did the old Pass Em and Slow Down. He got royally pissed and paced me for miles. Since he didn't get the message that he was originally at fault and thought it was a game, race or battle or something, I got to the point of having enough of the hot air and hit the exit. He then took the exit too, even though he was in front of me at that point, so he had to cross lines to maintain proximity. I could tell he was out of his mind at that point, so I took a turn I didn't want down a side road and then he went that way too. He wanted to fight, even though he clearly cut me off first. He made gestures, screaming out of the window wanting me to pull over. I suppose he figured if we fought then maybe that would make it ok for him to cut people off, I don't know. Finally, after enough random turns he figured he was wasting his time and left.
The DB parallel there would be that if he fights long and angry enough, then he at least maintains the stance that he is confidently in-the-right, whether he makes sense or not. Fortunately, I still have no problem turning down side roads after I have said what I wanted to say.


MORE ad hominems, yet STILL no convincing arguments to the contrary.

And Arkay's above allegoric summary is not only incredibly erroneous and fucking hilarious because he hasn't provided a convincing argument (or any) to the contrary, but also because someone else created this thread in-spite of me and that very person and several others have flamed me for a dozen pages at this point...

Fucking pathetic. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: The Debate Thread
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I found Disco Boy. It's got to be him. He's Canadian, loves the word ad hominem, and the last part in the "about the author" section nails it.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... what-isnt/

Now you can quote this, and tell everyone I'm throwing ad hominems at you.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:30 pm 
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The same old story

Since you have no understanding of BP's article, you just have to hang on Atlas Shrugged, huh? You still want to argue about that shitty book I read decades ago? I won't read it again just because your Prophet wrote it. You can believe she was a Prophet all you want, eerily shmeerily, she's a waste of time.
Allegoric summary? I guess I won't argue with that, nice caption! My comments about you are based on many years of reading yer stuff on this forum. I doubt that you read my post and really felt flamed. It was a light story about your bull-headed posting style. If anything about your personality was revealed that you felt was new, I am astonished. If anything, I would have expected you to be bored by my story, old hat. Also, my story wasn't addressed to you. BP and Caputh were commiserating about the time they waste by spending it on your "convincing arguments", as you call them. I joined in the discussion with them. Why would you think that is any kind of "argument contrary" to whatever the hell you think you are standing up for about now? Since my story was compared to your behavior, I can understand the need to defend yourself, but you couldn't even capably provide an argument that you are not the online version of Road Rage. In fact, you pretty much confirmed it. Your arguments are so consistently bad, there is no need to provide contrast. However, they almost always demand a lampoon. Therefore, I occasionally try to accomodate.

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BTW, Downer, I would tend to disagree with the statement that "the men who write history are sealed off from history". I think it very much depends on which men or women one is talking about. I know we've talked about this a little before, but would you care for a (civil) discussion about it?

Not all men/women are sealed off from what they write about. It does very much depend on the individual. Blanket statements like the one I made are indefensible. I know better. I should have said that many men/women who write our history are far removed from the actual events they write about.


A graceful answer to my point, thank you. I notice in general that you tend to value primary over secondary sources, which is, indeed, a perfectly sensible position. I realize that you consider my little contretemps with DB to be petty and meaningless - to a certain extent you're right as it is a labelling exercise. On the other hand, words do mean something and have an effect on people.
If, at the beginning of this particular thread, I had stressed the fact that I speak 3 languages, that I have lived, worked and voted in 3 European countries extensively (UK, Germany and France) and have had lengthy stays in Spain, Italy, Holland, Poland and Sweden would that have a more attractive argument for you personally? For me, it makes me look like a pompous git and my claims would in any case be unverifiable. My point being, historians often skew the truth to suit their own agenda as do primary sources.

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THIS is the result of "Objectivism." One could argue (and boy do they ever try) that he STRAYED from the core principles (for those unaware, AG was a member of the Rand inner circle), but if you want to see what Ayn Rand wrought -- in REALITY -- well, it's the Greenspan Universe.

Anyone want to try again with a Randite in charge? Will they get it RIGHT next time 'round?


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I've provided evidence and fact backing up my points for TWO FUCKING YEARS. But of course, ALL you can do is throw ad hominems and straw-man arguments at me instead. You have FAILED to provide a convincing argument to the contrary.


“According to objectivists, the belief in ‘objective reality’ means that ‘facts are facts’ and ‘wishing’ won’t make facts change. What it actually means is ‘When I’m right, I’m right’ and ‘My facts are facts and your facts are not facts.'"

“This belief in ‘objective reality’ is what gives objectivists their characteristic dickish attitude: since they do not really believe that facts look different from different points of view, they don’t feel the need to question themselves or look at things through the eyes of others..." Matt Taibbi


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DB is obviously not content with endlessly repeating the same words, images and phrases in separate posts with an almost liturgical fervor (e.g. he has posted the words "ONE MORE TIME FOR THE WORLD" 117 times over his entire posting history and the words "Almost ALL UK/European countries are run by lefties/liberal/socialists, etc. The ONLY strictly conservative-run party in ANY country within the aforementioned continent or region, is in Hungary." seven times since the 27th of November).

He has now taken to repeating himself within the same post (see above)

Disco Boy to Caputh wrote:
I've provided evidence and fact backing up my points for TWO FUCKING YEARS. But of course, ALL you can do is throw ad hominems and straw-man arguments at me instead.


Disco Boy to brainpang wrote:
I've provided evidence and fact backing up my points for TWO FUCKING YEARS. But of course, ALL you can do is throw ad hominems and straw-man arguments at me instead.

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I found Disco Boy. It's got to be him. He's Canadian, loves the word ad hominem, and the last part in the "about the author" section nails it.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... what-isnt/

Now you can quote this, and tell everyone I'm throwing ad hominems at you.

:mrgreen:


as far as I can tell that's not him.


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Although I think the info on the author sums DB up rather well, I think the most personal information DB has posted about his background was on Wednesday Jun 27, 2007 5:53 am


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Basically, I organize, data enter, print, package and create certificates that deal with pertinent stockholder information. I've got to remember all the steps and do it quickly and accurately, since the market obviously fluctuates constantly. And when "Rush" orders come in, I only have a limited time to complete them (sometimes within an hour). There's really no room for many fuck-ups where I work. It's been very interesting so far...


viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11129&p=287253&hilit=work#p287253


He seems to have had problems with this company soon after, so I don't know what he does now. Perhaps he can enlighten us?

I was also mildly surprised to read this from Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 10:12 pm

Disco Boy on Michael Moore's SiCKO wrote:
Disco Girl and I saw this over the weekend. It's a very moving, compelling, teary-eyed, satirical, sardonic, disgusting and absolutely fucking hilarious look at the US health care and insurance INDUSTRY, as opposed to the Canadian, Cuban, French and English health care and insurance SYSTEMS.

While I agree that MM does portray situations in black & white (for example, even though the Canadian health care and insurance system is far better than the American's, he depicts it as better than it really is), when most of the time they're not necessarily that, he definitely knows how to push people's buttons.

This is THE best movie I've seen all year. I highly recommend it...


viewtopic.php?f=10&t=11992&p=288510&hilit=health+systems#p288510

I hope I'm not misquoting him here, but there must have been a "Road to Damascus" situation somewhere along the way...

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I realize that you consider my little contretemps with DB to be petty and meaningless


I certainly don't have the right to say it's petty and meaningless for you. That's your business.

For me, when someone is championing Ayn-fucking-Rand, I know it's time to dissociate because it's very likely I'm dealing with a huge chump. Still, I can appreciate your tenacity.


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I never knew Ayn Rand's middle name was "Fucking". Or was it perhaps her maiden name? Still, it's hardly a surprise. :wink:

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The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
Since you have no understanding of BP's article, you just have to hang on Atlas Shrugged, huh? You still want to argue about that shitty book I read decades ago? I won't read it again just because your Prophet wrote it. You can believe she was a Prophet all you want, eerily shmeerily, she's a waste of time.


I don't need to have an understanding of BP's article. I'm talking about YOUR lack of education in these areas. It's pretty clear you're denying the economic and political realities and ramifications that Atlas Shrugged prophesized (and you're not alone). And it's because it doesn't fit your leftist belief system, so you get all pissy and cast it aside without stating WHY it's not correct (just like most of the others do).

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Allegoric summary? I guess I won't argue with that, nice caption! My comments about you are based on many years of reading yer stuff on this forum. I doubt that you read my post and really felt flamed. It was a light story about your bull-headed posting style. If anything about your personality was revealed that you felt was new, I am astonished. If anything, I would have expected you to be bored by my story, old hat. Also, my story wasn't addressed to you. BP and Caputh were commiserating about the time they waste by spending it on your "convincing arguments", as you call them. I joined in the discussion with them. Why would you think that is any kind of "argument contrary" to whatever the hell you think you are standing up for about now? Since my story was compared to your behavior, I can understand the need to defend yourself, but you couldn't even capably provide an argument that you are not the online version of Road Rage. In fact, you pretty much confirmed it. Your arguments are so consistently bad, there is no need to provide contrast. However, they almost always demand a lampoon. Therefore, I occasionally try to accomodate.


This coming from someone who argues with me for PAGES about U2, Rush, financial markets, supply & demand and now this, despite the FACT I've proven just how clearly 100% incorrect you are about every god damn thing you've challenged me on. But what do you do instead? You either weasel your way out of the discussion or throw ad hominems and character assassinations at me. I really hate to say this, but you really are turning into a complete fucking moron, Arkay. ALL the crystal clear evidence is there backing up my points, yet you continue to DENY it. It's a HUGE character flaw. And it tells me VOLUMES about how you think.

And if you could read correctly, you'd notice that I said you WEREN'T providing a convincing argument to the contrary, nor are you now...nor will you. And I think that's because you won't and can't.

From now on, you probably should stick to Zappa discussions instead...because as far as I can see, that's about all you're qualified to discuss here (and that goes for several of the others here too).

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THIS is the result of "Objectivism." One could argue (and boy do they ever try) that he STRAYED from the core principles (for those unaware, AG was a member of the Rand inner circle), but if you want to see what Ayn Rand wrought -- in REALITY -- well, it's the Greenspan Universe.

Anyone want to try again with a Randite in charge? Will they get it RIGHT next time 'round?


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What a bunch of BS. While Greenspan was a "Randite", during his tenure as Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1987-2006, he did NOT adhere to all or even most of Ayn Rand's principles...

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I've provided evidence and fact backing up my points for TWO FUCKING YEARS. But of course, ALL you can do is throw ad hominems and straw-man arguments at me instead. You have FAILED to provide a convincing argument to the contrary.


“According to objectivists, the belief in ‘objective reality’ means that ‘facts are facts’ and ‘wishing’ won’t make facts change. What it actually means is ‘When I’m right, I’m right’ and ‘My facts are facts and your facts are not facts.'"

“This belief in ‘objective reality’ is what gives objectivists their characteristic dickish attitude: since they do not really believe that facts look different from different points of view, they don’t feel the need to question themselves or look at things through the eyes of others..." Matt Taibbi


Matt Taibbi, like almost all critics of Ayn Rand, simply doesn't understand her philosophies...

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DB is obviously not content with endlessly repeating the same words, images and phrases in separate posts with an almost liturgical fervor (e.g. he has posted the words "ONE MORE TIME FOR THE WORLD" 117 times over his entire posting history and the words "Almost ALL UK/European countries are run by lefties/liberal/socialists, etc. The ONLY strictly conservative-run party in ANY country within the aforementioned continent or region, is in Hungary." seven times since the 27th of November).

He has now taken to repeating himself within the same post (see above)

Disco Boy to Caputh wrote:
I've provided evidence and fact backing up my points for TWO FUCKING YEARS. But of course, ALL you can do is throw ad hominems and straw-man arguments at me instead.


Disco Boy to brainpang wrote:
I've provided evidence and fact backing up my points for TWO FUCKING YEARS. But of course, ALL you can do is throw ad hominems and straw-man arguments at me instead.


And that's because you geniuses keep flaming me...

ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

...without providing a convincing argument to the contrary.

But keep the red herrings, misinterpretations, denial of evidence and FACTS a comin'...

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I found Disco Boy. It's got to be him. He's Canadian, loves the word ad hominem, and the last part in the "about the author" section nails it.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... what-isnt/

Now you can quote this, and tell everyone I'm throwing ad hominems at you.

:mrgreen:


as far as I can tell that's not him.


It's not. :roll:

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What! No face-egg / painted floor pictures etc.
That's the only reason I look at your posts.

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ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

119 times.

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118 times.


ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

119 times.


Seldom can a promise have been kept less than the above statement.

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ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

119 times.

Very good.
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118 times.


ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

119 times.

Very good.
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But not as good as that person (whose name escapes me) who did something else 227 times in the space of 2 days a few years ago.

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More Online Road Rage

It is always a bit sad to see someone in a blind rage, just rambling on and on. Sure, DB, you are protecting your Prophet. Poorly though. Oh, well, nothing new here.

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Here comes those 10 million Ron Paul voters.......with their signed copies of Ayn Rand's #1 bestselling book of all time ever.......not..... :)


Looks like Disco Douche has another thread to express his delusional not-based-on-reality bullshit.


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Here comes those 10 million Ron Paul voters.......with their signed copies of Ayn Rand's #1 bestselling book of all time ever.......not..... :)


Looks like Disco Douche has another thread to express his delusional not-based-on-reality bullshit.


Don't think that just because he has you on "ignore", he won't possibly reply to your post, SPACEBROTHER. :wink:

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What a bunch of BS. While Greenspan was a "Randite", during his tenure as Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1987-2006, he did NOT adhere to all or even most of Ayn Rand's principles...

Matt Taibbi, like almost all critics of Ayn Rand, simply doesn't understand her philosophies...


Not BS. It is how the world works. Things don't turn out the way they do on paper. AG remains the living embodiment of the Ayn Rand philosophy. Better luck next time!

I guess you miss the irony of your statement regarding Taibbi et al in light of the quotes I provided?

I am depressed now..............


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Disco Boy wrote:
118 times.

ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

119 times.


Seldom can a promise have been kept less than the above statement.


Seldom are you ever correct or even know what you're talking. And the above is no exception.

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More Online Road Rage

It is always a bit sad to see someone in a blind rage, just rambling on and on. Sure, DB, you are protecting your Prophet. Poorly though. Oh, well, nothing new here.


Dude, ALL I'm doing is asking you to provide a convincing argument to the contrary. And you CAN'T do it. ALL you can do is throw character assassinations and ad hominems at me. And we both know why.

And Ayn Rand is not my prophet. There are parts of her "Objectivism" philosophy that I find too extreme and don't agree with. However, much of her work is undeniably prophetic. In fact, we are living part of the plot of Atlas Shrugged right now...

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What a bunch of BS. While Greenspan was a "Randite", during his tenure as Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1987-2006, he did NOT adhere to all or even most of Ayn Rand's principles...

Matt Taibbi, like almost all critics of Ayn Rand, simply doesn't understand her philosophies...


Not BS. It is how the world works. Things don't turn out the way they do on paper. AG remains the living embodiment of the Ayn Rand philosophy. Better luck next time!

I guess you miss the irony of your statement regarding Taibbi et al in light of the quotes I provided?

I am depressed now..............


Nope. Especially since you don't understand Ayn's philosophies either. But good luck proving that one (you're going to need it)...


You can now all give SPACEBROTHER (aka, tweedle-dumb) his severely delayed but much-needed hand-job - he's DYING for it.

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Disco Boy - spreading the old Christmas cheer wherever he goes!
Merry Christmas, Tiny Tim!
("Somehow he gets thoughtful, sitting by himself so much, and thinks the strangest things you ever heard.")

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