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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:34 am 
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A rope leash wrote:
Read about what Iceland did to their bankers.


Yes, that was a great moment. But I believe the Icelandic people have voted back in the politicians that were in the banks cahoots to begin with. Don't know why.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:48 am 
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brainpang wrote:

INTERESTING ARTICLE by Brainpang
Bernard Mandeville and Consumerism’s Buzz
Before Ayn Rand or Adam Smith, capitalism's prophet was the author of "The Fable of the Bees."

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... isms-buzz/


Now that is an interesting article - did you write it?

I love reading Machiavelli (as well as Adam Smith), so I've got to check Bernard Mandeville out -who has obviously completely passed under my radar.
Thanks! :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: The Debate Thread
PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:57 pm 
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Caputh wrote:
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Now that is an interesting article - did you write it?


no, that was a little joke poking fun at disco's genius. Just think, I could have re-worded it, condensed it, and VOILA! I am a SCHOLAR.

DB IS a lightweight, I am convinced now (not that I needed anymore after all his nerd-wimp insult slinging ways). Has he EVER mentioned the great conservative thinkers/authors here before? He acts like we have never read them, let alone heard of 'em!


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Still- kudos for posting it. Now I know what I want for xmas.

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 Post subject: Re: The Debate Thread
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I would ask the 13 members of the wedding party in Yemen that were murdered if they think Obama is powerful or not. He CAN stop it.


Obama can stop it? Just like the 13 who were murdered could answer a question after they are dead.

Just like my dog picks up her own shit.


The war over who is right masks the war over words, which masks the war over assumptions, which masks the war over politics, which masks the war over psychology, which masks the war over class, which masks the war over biology.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:20 pm 
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The questions you've posed have already been answered, genius. But you're not paying attention. I've been discussing this for nearly TWO YEARS now.


Okay, I will keep my eyes peeled for the book version (with Index): "the collected wit & wisdom of disco boy as posted on the zappa forum" on ebay and amazon. Doubt I will see it tho' as everything you have to say is lifted from somewhere else and you would be ridiculed as a lightweight. You have nothing new to say, in fact you seem devoid of personality, so it is just plain useless. But please do pat yourself on the back again!

DB IS a lightweight, I am convinced now (not that I needed anymore after all his nerd-wimp insult slinging ways). Has he EVER mentioned the great conservative thinkers/authors here before? He acts like we have never read them, let alone heard of 'em!


POT. KETTLE. BLACK.

This coming from someone who follows me from thread to thread, and ONLY criticizes and throws hominems at me, without providing ANYTHING original to counter what I've stated.

And btw, if you were PAYING ATTENTION, you'd already know that I've mentioned "great conservative thinkers/authors" during these discussions, especially the great and prophetic Ayn Rand.

You can wipe that egg off your face for the 100th time now...

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Is that what you call an instant egghead?

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downer mydnyte wrote:
brainpang wrote:
I would ask the 13 members of the wedding party in Yemen that were murdered if they think Obama is powerful or not. He CAN stop it.


Obama can stop it? Just like the 13 who were murdered could answer a question after they are dead.

Just like my dog picks up her own shit.


The war over who is right masks the war over words, which masks the war over assumptions, which masks the war over politics, which masks the war over psychology, which masks the war over class, which masks the war over biology.


I guess that means: Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here?


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 Post subject: Re: The Debate Thread
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:46 am 
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Disco Boy wrote:
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This coming from someone who follows me from thread to thread, and ONLY criticizes and throws hominems at me, without providing ANYTHING original to counter what I've stated.

And btw, if you were PAYING ATTENTION, you'd already know that I've mentioned "great conservative thinkers/authors" during these discussions, especially the great and prophetic Ayn Rand.



I think that is your megalomania kicking in on the follow from thread to thread bit.
To counter with "ANYTHING original," you need to start with something remotely original to which I can respond to, which you are incapable of. Get it now?

You will be better served if in the future you just post links to your actual masters words.


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Although DB once (mistakenly) claimed that Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged" was
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the best selling novel of all time
(viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19887&p=569223&hilit=Atlas+shrugged#p569223) , one has to admit that it has sold a lot of copies. Thus his knowledge of her views can hardly be described as unique.

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Caputh wrote:
Although DB once (mistakenly) claimed that Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged" was
Disco Boy wrote:
the best selling novel of all time
(viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19887&p=569223&hilit=Atlas+shrugged#p569223) , one has to admit that it has sold a lot of copies. Thus his knowledge of her views can hardly be described as unique.


Just about every educated MALE in America goes through a Rand phase (whether they know it or not!). One of my best pals had a charcoal sketch of her above his dresser.


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He MUST have had access to better fodder for masturbatory pleasure.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:24 am 
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brainpang wrote:
INTERESTING ARTICLE by Brainpang
Bernard Mandeville and Consumerism’s Buzz
Before Ayn Rand or Adam Smith, capitalism's prophet was the author of "The Fable of the Bees."

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... isms-buzz/

Thanks, I enjoyed reading that. I am surprised DB hasn't embraced it more with quotes like "private vice makes public benefit".

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I hate to disagree with you, Arkay; I think it is because DB sees something noble in Pinochet. Mussolini, child labour in England in the 19th Century and Ayn Rand. :idea: (But obviously not in Che).

That egg is definitely not "easy over".

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The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
brainpang wrote:
INTERESTING ARTICLE by Brainpang
Bernard Mandeville and Consumerism’s Buzz
Before Ayn Rand or Adam Smith, capitalism's prophet was the author of "The Fable of the Bees."

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... isms-buzz/

Thanks, I enjoyed reading that. I am surprised DB hasn't embraced it more with quotes like "private vice makes public benefit".


The comments section is worth a scroll. DB could learn a few things on how to conduct a persuasive argument, disseminate viewpoint.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:11 pm 
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brainpang wrote:
downer mydnyte wrote:
brainpang wrote:
I would ask the 13 members of the wedding party in Yemen that were murdered if they think Obama is powerful or not. He CAN stop it.


Obama can stop it? Just like the 13 who were murdered could answer a question after they are dead.

Just like my dog picks up her own shit.


The war over who is right masks the war over words, which masks the war over assumptions, which masks the war over politics, which masks the war over psychology, which masks the war over class, which masks the war over biology.


I guess that means: Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here?


I see your point but what it actually means is never give up hope. Never give up hope but be honest with yourself. Face your delusions. We're animals first and intellectuals second. The men who write history are sealed off from history. I know you don't need me to point out the evidence.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:42 pm 
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brainpang wrote:
I think that is your megalomania kicking in on the follow from thread to thread bit.

To counter with "ANYTHING original," you need to start with something remotely original to which I can respond to, which you are incapable of. Get it now?

You will be better served if in the future you just post links to your actual masters words.


Yet even MORE ad hominems thrown at me...coupled with NO evidence, facts or even ANYTHING remotely convincing to back up your BS.

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Although DB once (mistakenly) claimed that Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged" was
Disco Boy wrote:
the best selling novel of all time
(viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19887&p=569223&hilit=Atlas+shrugged#p569223) , one has to admit that it has sold a lot of copies. Thus his knowledge of her views can hardly be described as unique.


You're basing my knowledge on one particular set of recent posts about Atlas Shrugged? :roll:

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Just about every educated MALE in America goes through a Rand phase (whether they know it or not!). One of my best pals had a charcoal sketch of her above his dresser.


For me, it isn't a phase. I've been a fan of hers for nearly 20 years.

Keep wiping that egg off your face, douche-bag...

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brainpang wrote:
INTERESTING ARTICLE by Brainpang
Bernard Mandeville and Consumerism’s Buzz
Before Ayn Rand or Adam Smith, capitalism's prophet was the author of "The Fable of the Bees."

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... isms-buzz/

Thanks, I enjoyed reading that. I am surprised DB hasn't embraced it more with quotes like "private vice makes public benefit".


I'm surprised you still don't seem to understand how markets work, let alone that the Housing Bubble Crisis would NOT have happened if we lived in a free market-based economy, just like Ayn Rand prophecized in Atlas Shrugged in 1957 - only the plot mainly dealt with the railroad industry and not the banking industry.

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I hate to disagree with you, Arkay; I think it is because DB sees something noble in Pinochet. Mussolini, child labour in England in the 19th Century and Ayn Rand. :idea: (But obviously not in Che).

That egg is definitely not "easy over".


Totally misinterpretive and grossly exaggerated.

But then again, this is coming from someone who thinks that, "Socialism is the future."

I rest my case.

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The comments section is worth a scroll. DB could learn a few things on how to conduct a persuasive argument, disseminate viewpoint.


ROTFLMAO! :mrgreen:

This coming from someone who can't even construct, let alone lay out a convincing argument to the contrary...

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Disco Boy wrote:

You're basing my knowledge on one particular set of recent posts about Atlas Shrugged? :roll:


Yep; it's not much evidence is it? Then again, you've shown us little else. Mind you, it's better than nothing at all.

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But then again, this is coming from someone who thinks that, "Socialism is the future."


Disco Boy on Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:28 am wrote:
But then again, socialism is the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock:


viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19887&p=568566&hilit=+Socialism+is+the+future+#p568566

If you carry on repeating it often enough, DB, your wish may be granted...

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Disco Boy wrote:
This coming from someone who can't even construct, let alone lay out a convincing argument to the contrary...


What's there to say? What you want me to say?

DB: free market economy! free market economy! free market economy!

Me: You are so prescient!

or

Me: Yes, I've read Ayn Rand, too.

or

Me: You remind me of the kid who said: "I like turtles."

As Caputh pointed out: you have shown us little else.


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downer mydnyte wrote:
I see your point but what it actually means is never give up hope. Never give up hope but be honest with yourself. Face your delusions. We're animals first and intellectuals second. The men who write history are sealed off from history. I know you don't need me to point out the evidence.


Yep, I got ya, appreciate the vote of confidence. I really need to quit dealing with pedestrian characters like disco boy, it's an unhealthy hobby.


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brainpang wrote:
I really need to quit dealing with pedestrian characters like disco boy, it's an unhealthy hobby.


My wife agrees with you; however, it's rather like smoking, going to McDonald's, eating Pringles or reading Margaret Thatcher's autobiography - all things that I enjoy doing.

BTW, Downer, I would tend to disagree with the statement that "the men who write history are sealed off from history". I think it very much depends on which men or women one is talking about. I know we've talked about this a little before, but would you care for a (civil) discussion about it?

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Disco Boy wrote:
The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
brainpang wrote:
INTERESTING ARTICLE by Brainpang
Bernard Mandeville and Consumerism’s Buzz
Before Ayn Rand or Adam Smith, capitalism's prophet was the author of "The Fable of the Bees."

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... isms-buzz/

Thanks, I enjoyed reading that. I am surprised DB hasn't embraced it more with quotes like "private vice makes public benefit".


I'm surprised you still don't seem to understand how markets work, let alone that the Housing Bubble Crisis would NOT have happened if we lived in a free market-based economy, just like Ayn Rand prophecized in Atlas Shrugged in 1957 - only the plot mainly dealt with the railroad industry and not the banking industry.

Thats funny how she's your Prophet, hahaha.
I was curious if you were aware of Mandeville. Clearly, you would be now, but weren't before BP posted.

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I really need to quit dealing with pedestrian characters like disco boy, it's an unhealthy hobby.


My wife agrees with you; however, it's rather like smoking, going to McDonald's, eating Pringles or reading Margaret Thatcher's autobiography - all things that I enjoy doing.
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It is also a bit like dealing with other cars in traffic. They might yell, honk etc... but the back-and-forth is more steam than substance. One time, many years ago, someone cut me off in highway traffic, so I did the old Pass Em and Slow Down. He got royally pissed and paced me for miles. Since he didn't get the message that he was originally at fault and thought it was a game, race or battle or something, I got to the point of having enough of the hot air and hit the exit. He then took the exit too, even though he was in front of me at that point, so he had to cross lines to maintain proximity. I could tell he was out of his mind at that point, so I took a turn I didn't want down a side road and then he went that way too. He wanted to fight, even though he clearly cut me off first. He made gestures, screaming out of the window wanting me to pull over. I suppose he figured if we fought then maybe that would make it ok for him to cut people off, I don't know. Finally, after enough random turns he figured he was wasting his time and left.
The DB parallel there would be that if he fights long and angry enough, then he at least maintains the stance that he is confidently in-the-right, whether he makes sense or not. Fortunately, I still have no problem turning down side roads after I have said what I wanted to say.

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BTW, Downer, I would tend to disagree with the statement that "the men who write history are sealed off from history". I think it very much depends on which men or women one is talking about. I know we've talked about this a little before, but would you care for a (civil) discussion about it?

Not all men/women are sealed off from what they write about. It does very much depend on the individual. Blanket statements like the one I made are indefensible. I know better. I should have said that many men/women who write our history are far removed from the actual events they write about.


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