[quote author=Zardoz link=board=general;num=1085027194;start=30#40 date=05/22/04 at 04:28:53]<br>Young people were more involved with political and social issues. We were more aware of our surroundings then they are today. There was a unity that had a bond that was both intense and innocent at the same time. Now I'll wait for people to jump all over my shit. ;D
<br>[/quote]<br><br>I have been thinking about the draft, and how we were in 1970. You're right, when the voting age was 21 then, but you could be drafted at 18, there was a big incentive to get the right to vote, (which we did). Now the draft is gone, and we've dropped down (from 70% but don't quote me), to 29% of people under 21 vote, (and kudo's to all who do). I have to wonder if bringing back the draft will cause more 18 year old's to vote, (it's their ass that's on the line).<br>I miss the glue that held us together back then, it seemed like something that could never leave the upcoming generations of youth. i was listening to a Starship song about "Get out of the way, we're coming, and we're new".<br>And now for the real guestion, have we done any better than our parents? Have some of us BECOME our parents?<br><br>And I do want to respond to you're "give me a break" quote. maybe you missed parts of my point about nature and nurture. i wouldnt say in a specific case a general rule, (such as good parents are important), must apply to that specific case. I also doubt the colombine shooter was thinging about his parent's when he was shooting. Rather, in my post I was speaking in
general about kids with guns, kids in gangs with guns. I think home life has a lot to do with kids joining gangs, i think gangs offer things to kids that they don't get at home. Also, kids, (very very young, even before talking), learn a lot about the world from their parents, (who else could we learn about the world from as infants).<br>To me, there is nature and nurture only, the physical and the psychological. To me it can only be nature or nurture because I don't believe in evil as a "supernatural world of evil spirits trying to steal souls", therefore, I'm left with only nature or nurture. What else is there?<br>Sometimes in extreme cases, otherwise balanced people do wildly crazy things.
Sometimes it's genetic, a seizure which can be physically seen in a PET scan causes a person to experience rage, but when you ask them why, they cant give you a reason...they just were in a rage(a physical sezure). A small percentage (possibly larger in some dramatic offenders), of folks experience this.<br>But with the choices of nature(the physical), nurture(the psychologiacl), and evil spirits, I'll go with nature and nurture, and throw out the evil spirits. I honestly don't know what other causes there could be.<br>In specific cases such as Columbine, it's impossible to say without a detailed look at the specific case.<br>The point I was making with kids with guns, is between nature and nurture, i have to pick nurture
in general in a larger percentage of cases, rather than to believe that such a large population of kids concentrated in inner cities (where a large percentage of gang activity is), have such a high percentage of physically malformed brains. The statistics don't support such a theory.<br>Outside of nature or nurture, what else is there?<br>If it's something besides the physical, or psychological, I'm open to any suggestions.<br>
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