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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:53 pm 
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Have you seen him playing in the world cup closing ceremony? It was terrible... he really sold himself. I like some of his old records, but please, he made The worst guitar solo ever.

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 Post subject: Re: Santana...
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Unfortunately Carlos hasn't played a new note in 30 years. It's a good note, but it doesn't last the ages. I too was a big fan back in the day. He was pretty unique and just plain wonderful then.

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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
Unfortunately Carlos hasn't played a new note in 30 years....
Have the same problem with Santana. He once found out how to play a really exciting really rocking guitar solo. And so he does now since about 40 years. Playing the same solo for 40 years again and again can become boring some day :wink:
But i am grateful anyway for the great albums he did in the begining (like santana, abraxas, borboletta or caravanserai) and still like to hear them nowadays.

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Apart from what you said he has become super commercial.

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Carlos Santana is 67 (happy birthday, BTW). There are people younger than that who have dementia.

Creatively, you can't hold him to the same standard as when he was 27. And really, they weren't holding him to any creative standard. They were simply renting his world-famous name to promote a world-famous sporting event.

Yeah, his days of musical innovation are long over. He had probably five or six really good years, and he's been living off them ever since.

How many really good years did you have?

None, huh?

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I know it is cynical to say this: If he had already died at the beginning of the seventies he would sit next to Jimi in the pantheon of rock music now. But i think, there is at least a little bit of truth in it. Anyway, as i said above, i am very thankful for the great albums he already did and lots of good moments here and there in later years.
BTW: Everbody who thinks that Carlos ain't the real thing anymore give his wife a try:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMXN-nDBD4I

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Wow she plays with the same energy Carlos did in 1970. She definitely outworks him.

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I just watched Carlos from a couple years ago on Claptons crossroads concert, He was very good. But I'm sure all you hyper critical guitarists on the forum are much better.

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The point is not that he's not good. He's great. In my personal top 5 players of all time It's just that he found a formula early in his career and hasn't moved past that over the years. I'd like to see him reinvent himself like he did after his 4th and 5th albums, towards some new ground.

Is that ok BS?

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Like I said he sounded great just 2 years ago, jeeze is that ok with you? I never noticed FZ reinvent himself, or, Mccoy Tyner, Chick Corea, Al Dimeola, Leo Kotke, now Pat Martino, thats a story worth reading, had to reinvent himself, into himself!

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I like his earlier albums and he's great to see live, but I'm not a huge fan of his studio recordings from the last 20 years or so. He always has great musicians backing him up.


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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
Like I said he sounded great just 2 years ago, jeeze is that ok with you? I never noticed FZ reinvent himself, or, Mccoy Tyner, Chick Corea, Al Dimeola, Leo Kotke, now Pat Martino, thats a story worth reading, had to reinvent himself, into himself!

Chick practically invented fusion! Al evolved into a force on acoustic, exploring music with Spanish roots. Leo actually reworked his playing mechanics in the middle of his career... I would also argue that Frank never stopped moving forward; listen to those 88 tour solos compared to those in the MOI era....no comparison. Not all artists do that, but IMO the best do.

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This album was a terrific idea by two musicians who were at the top of their game.

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Just what kind of a guru are you anyway :P :mrgreen: 8) :mrgreen:

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Exactly.

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