The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
DB, now it is my turn to be disappointed. Clearly, you found my list of U2 Genres pedestrian and couldn't even come up with a comment. I understand that you can't take time to discuss the basics when you know so much about the band and its details. I know you have deep deep knowledge of U2, but I can't assume that everyone else here knows about their stylistic choices like you do. Per your rule, I won't talk about whether they suck because that's too subjective for some people, just the stylistic differences. So, as a public service to know more about this very popular band, I will outline the following.THE GENRES OF U2Drone Rock
- The sound of Bono with a backing band, like if he did a solo album. Maybe he did, who knows? Lots of U2 sounds like this.Delay Mantra
- The Edge is the musical mastermind of the band and delays are his weapon. Sure, he's a guitar player, but that is second in importance to the delays for The Edge. I haven't looked that up, but it must be true. The drummer and bass player do exist, so I will recognize that now. But, more than being the sound of U2, Delay Mantra is their Musical Irony and the new thing that they bring to the table. They repeat themselves both in instance and structure. Something is played, wait a bit and it recycles again with a little less substance, wait a bit and its down the hall, wait a bit and its in the elevator, wait a bit and its in the grocery store... Where a Mantra serves to achieve calmness, awareness, satisfaction through focus, emptying the mind and repetition, U2 does just that by keeping it simple: "Wait, more of the same coming around again!" thus, the delay BECOMES the Mantra. Surely, a time-tested method, but never embraced so fully except by U2. A delay is repeated, and so is a Mantra, calmingly, in a very Not Rock way. Instead of Om, we have deedle-eedle-eedle-eedle-dle-dle-ll-ll-lldlllellledlllllldlll... Plus, I just like the idea of someone meditating and quietly playing over in their mind: "Hold on a sec, wait, holdonasec, wait, holdonasecwait, hdlnscwt, hdldhdthldlwldhtdlhdwtldhdldldldldllllllldllldlllllll". Some people might think that the "Mantra" portion has something to do with Bono's lyrics. Who told you that? Bono? Even David Bowie would have to laugh at that.Whine Beat
- When the best of Drone Rock meets the best of Delay Mantra. The dimensionally linear vocals provide stark contrast to the repetitive guitar parts working both with and against each other. It deserves its own genre.Techno Babble
- They dabble in Techno. Add Babbling. What more needs to be said?Nickelodeon Candy
- Rockabye Baby! Lullaby Renditions of U2.
That's not U2 you say? Well, that's irony for ya (neither the musical or visual types though). Kids don't actually like U2, probably Bono's fault, although there are fans who think that U2 could be as big with the little ones as Bon Jovi!http://forum.atu2.com/index.php?topic=20944.0Catwalk Soundtrack
- I didn't bother to check this out. I have a hard time believing that the Fashion World has not embraced U2 at one time or another. Didn't someone post a link that had them performing on a runway?Tweezing
- Technically, this is part of their Visual Irony, which is rumored to be MASSIVE. DB is the only expert I know of on this topic, so I'll leave that to him to explain.
Several people claimed U2 were strictly a pop band. I then chimed in and EXPLICITLY showed them why they were INCORRECT. But then those same people tried to change the criteria once they realized they were WRONG, and started to make the debate about musical taste instead, which was NEVER part of my point. By this point in time, most of them still hadn't heard the aforementioned albums in question (and probably STILL haven't). So their opinions about U2's music, stylistically speaking, meant JACK-SHIT-ALL. Yet they STILL asserted they actually knew what they were talking about, despite the FACT they didn't (and probably STILL don't). And now, since they finally seem to realize how much egg is on their faces, they start indulging in ultra-long rants about other things and claim that I, "...can't take time to discuss the basics when I know so much about the band and its details", despite the FACT I already have.
Yep, it's just another day on the self-delusional Z forum, where the sore losers gather, almost no one admits they're wrong and debating skills are optional...
The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
Is it time to move on and discuss what a piece-of-shit band RUSH is?
I think you are right. However, I have to admit to seeing Rush this summer. I was disappointed. It was at Milwaukee's Summerfest, so I figured that they would want to please a huge outdoor crowd that was there not simply to see them, but for a summer festival on the 4th of July. Maybe we'd hear Lakeside Park? We heard the following:
2. The Big Money
3. Force Ten
4. Grand Designs
5. The Body Electric
7. The Analog Kid
9. Where's My Thing? (including drum solo)
Set 2: (with Clockwork Angels String Ensemble)
16.Headlong Flight (including drum solo)
17.Halo Effect (guitar solo intro)
18.Seven Cities of Gold
21.Drum Solo (The Percussor)
22.Red Sector A
24.The Spirit of Radio
26.2112 Part I: Overture
27.2112 Part II: The Temples of Syrinx
28.2112 Part VII: Grand Finale
So, it started off with a middling song, Subdivisions. I say middling in that it was from the album that I saw the tour for when I was a huge Rush fan way back when. Even back then, I wanted to hear all the stuff before Signals. I've tried over the years to get into anything after Signals with only the slightest of successes and tons of disappointing dreck.
The Big Money is Big Annoyance. Geddy voice is built to make this song suck. I actually like GL's voice on the first several albums, but hearing him these days just makes me wish for instrumentals. So, then a few more middling pieces then nearly the whole damn new album, Clockwork Whogivesafuck. Fuck that was boring. And those string players in the background? Could they possibly bow their instruments with any more vigor while jerking their whole bodies as if to say "I dare say! I now rock, am I correct? I have long hair and am with Rush, so this must be a good rocking time for all!" Ugh. Pretend rocking sucks hard.
I was glad that they played some favs near the end, but I was kinda burnt out by then. After a day in the sun and a whole bunch of boring, it was hard to get back going again. Did they really have to play all that Clockwork shit in a row? Couldn't they try to keep a huge crowd awake? I don't mean the hardcore in the pavilion, I mean all the other bored people filling the lawn where I was. Seriously, that was one fucking bored crowd for the majority of the time.
A bit of contrast... I liked them on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. My wife is a huge Foo Fighters fan, so it was fun for the 2 of us to watch as FFs introduced Rush, then Lifeson with his "Blah blah blah" speech. Best one they ever had. For those who hadn't seen it, AL does an entire speech, maybe 3-5 minutes, saying nothing but "Blah Blah Blah" while pantomiming the content. Funny imo, though I'm sure most people just thought WTF.
I've heard recent interviews with them on their writing process, which is basically composition by committee and seems guaranteed to make boring shit like this last album. I like that they try to move forward, not everyone does. But, the results suck. I felt ripped off. I don't think I'll ever see them live again. That kinda sucks too.
There's this thing called the internet. And you can use it to search for plenty of things...like setlists, especially ones that help you discover what an artist(s) is playing before you decide to spend money on a ticket to see an artist(s) you don't like any more. It helps. You may want to look into it...