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Yes, downer mydnyte. Why don't you tell us what first-hand, personal experience has led you to this conclusion? I wait with (baited) breath

Are you going to listen?

I wake up everyday in America. I look around. I drive around. I bounce around. I talk to people who I know who are part of a union. I talk to people who I know who are not part of a union. I am paying attention to physical reality. I work hard for my meager piece of turf. I am doing fine without the union. Some folks I know are doing better, they tell me, because of the union. Some people I know have no use for a union. Neither are lying.

The union makes some folks pleased. It pisses off others who want to squash it. Even poor people are greedy. Most of them would probably become tyrants given the chance. There's no right or wrong here. One side will never convince the other side. Some things are evident. Anyone actively trying to stop the existence of a union is obviously afraid of something.

People in America do not listen to each other. We are plugged in to electronics that keep us detached from reality. Debates have devolved into regurgitation of statistics. Statistics don't make you smart, Caputh. They might make you some money. This whole "debate" is based on individual greed on both sides. Fuck 'em.

Men are down on their knees trying not to give up. I would never walk across a picket line. But I have no need to join a union, personally. I sweat and bleed in this shithole. I try to make it less of a shithole. And I live in a beautiful city. Nothing I have posted here can be found in a news story or a stat sheet. It's personal and unique. I see the crumbling of everything that I was brought up to believe was right and honest. These endless debates are causing good people, neighbors, to hate each other and worse. Our brains are completely overloaded and polluted. It's getting worse everyday. Few are talking about it. America is dying in front of my eyes, for real!, every single day of my life. And most of us feel something horrible coming.

Come walk these streets, and I don't mean streets built for tourists! Every day the masses are seething. I'm out there. I'm going forward with compassion. Not divisiveness. Is that enough for you?

One speck of human emotion is worth more than all of this political rhetoric combined.


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Yes, downer mydnyte. Why don't you tell us what first-hand, personal experience has led you to this conclusion? I wait with (baited) breath

Are you going to listen?

I wake up everyday in America. I look around. I drive around. I bounce around. I talk to people who I know who are part of a union. I talk to people who I know who are not part of a union. I am paying attention to physical reality. I work hard for my meager piece of turf. I am doing fine without the union. Some folks I know are doing better, they tell me, because of the union. Some people I know have no use for a union. Neither are lying.

The union makes some folks pleased. It pisses off others who want to squash it. Even poor people are greedy. Most of them would probably become tyrants given the chance. There's no right or wrong here. One side will never convince the other side. Some things are evident. Anyone actively trying to stop the existence of a union is obviously afraid of something.

People in America do not listen to each other. We are plugged in to electronics that keep us detached from reality. Debates have devolved into regurgitation of statistics. Statistics don't make you smart, Caputh. They might make you some money. This whole "debate" is based on individual greed on both sides. Fuck 'em.

Men are down on their knees trying not to give up. I would never walk across a picket line. But I have no need to join a union, personally. I sweat and bleed in this shithole. I try to make it less of a shithole. And I live in a beautiful city. Nothing I have posted here can be found in a news story or a stat sheet. It's personal and unique. I see the crumbling of everything that I was brought up to believe was right and honest. These endless debates are causing good people, neighbors, to hate each other and worse. Our brains are completely overloaded and polluted. It's getting worse everyday. Few are talking about it. America is dying in front of my eyes, for real!, every single day of my life. And most of us feel something horrible coming.

Come walk these streets, and I don't mean streets built for tourists! Every day the masses are seething. I'm out there. I'm going forward with compassion. Not divisiveness. Is that enough for you?

One speck of human emotion is worth more than all of this political rhetoric combined.


I'm sorry if this is off-topic. For those of you not interested, skip this post.

I'll give you an example from my own, personal experience (rather than yours), that IMO shows the dangers of basing an opinion purely on one's own, personal experience.
I moved to Berlin at the beginning of the 80s. At this point in time Germany was divided and West Berlin an enclave of the West in the East. All the same, it was possible to visit and stay in the East and I struck up many friendships both with Germans from the West and from the East. I walked the streets, just as you appear to walk the streets of your (still unnamed) city. I "knew" both sides of the coin and I thought I understood the geopolitical situation in the two Germanys pretty well, certainly more than most outsiders. One thing I and my friends were united on was the utter absurdity of entertaining the idea of German reunification. Of all the Communist states, East Germany appeared the most stable financially, politically and even socially. Even if Communism were to collapse the West Germans would have appeared to have more in common with the Austrians than the East Germans was a generally accepted opinion. Only extreme right-wing fools could even dream of German reunification. When Reagan visited Germany and made his speech asking Gorbachev to "tear down this wall", we laughed. An out of touch, senile American ex-actor, telling us that reunification was even a possibility. Now, I still believe that Reagan was an out of touch, senile American ex-actor, but in this particular case he was right and me and my friends were totally wrong. In fact there were a number of conservative commentators (mostly non Germans) who were pointing out at the time how unstable the East German regime was (people like Robert Conquest for example). I rejected their views, thinking I understood the situation much better and in any case, they were a bunch of conservatives.
Equally, when the Wall fell, I can remember standing on it at Brandenburg Gate with a number of friends - we still could not believe that this event would or should lead to German reunification - only right-wing extremists could possibly want that. 23 years later I now live in what was formerly East Germany and I'm not a right-wing extremist either.
Personal experience can be useful. However, to rely solely on personal experience can be very dangerous as it can lead to a subjective prejudice i.e. you look for the opinions that support your own and are intolerant of others'. Sources of information vary and are of differing value depending on the context. To blankly reject any opinion that does not come from personal experience is condemning oneself to blindness IMO.

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So, you choose to be a union member, but just wish you didn't have to pay for that service? Huh?

Not at all I took a pay cut. Hey do what you like but do not deny union imperfections, unions the management of, are corrupt, just like our politicians, they are one in the same NOT for the rank in file member.

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Not sincere Bravo. We all know you are anti-union and that the reason that they say "Right to Work" instead of "Right to Work - For Less" is that they are trying to HIDE the fact that it is union-busting legislation. But, you knew that.

Wrong union breath I am Presently a union member! The problem foe me is being forced to pay union dues and or join the union as a hiring policy. The union management give huge political donations, and they don't care what the union employee has for personal political choice. This mafia/ organised crime has been going on in unions since the beginning, Daley in Chicago is a good example of the corruption, Obama is of the same ilk. Again, I am about small gov. the smaller the better.


Get a room. The political forums are that way:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=21195
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19887
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=23251

Yes, sometimes politics is news, but bitching and complaining that other people have opinions different from you is not news.

Hahahaha... good one.
Of course, Cal could never sanction the Political Opinions thread since there haven't been the requisite nuber of Solutions. I suppose you could call the RP and Obamawars threads political, in a specific sorts of ways.
But, since you did actually spend time copying threads I'll note this: This is jimmie_d's thread. When jimmie_d was here it was just as insane as it is now, imo.

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Yes, isn't the right to bear arms great?
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To reduce this to gun control is very ignorant, I would think mental health would be the focus.

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
To reduce this to gun control is very ignorant, I would think mental health would be the focus.

Perhaps both?

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To reduce this to gun control is very ignorant, I would think mental health would be the focus.

Perhaps both?

I'm for that. 8)

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It's official. Michigan has just become a Nazi state with a Nazi govenor and a Nazi legislature. Govenor Rick Snyder is the Henry Clay Frick of Michigan, and his Right To Work supporters are his Pinkertons.
Spacebro, I wouldn't call them Nazi's, they're more like feudalists. They probably wish they could take us back to the Middle Ages and the good ol' carefree days of serfdom.



Good to see another person from the mitten state comment about this, and right you are. 8)


The worst part is that before the election, the Republican govenor and Republican legislature swore up and down promising that there would be no right to work laws or bills pursued. They lose a bunch of seats in the 2012 election, so what do they do? They renig, thus blatantly lying to all of us, as Republicans always do.


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So, you choose to be a union member, but just wish you didn't have to pay for that service? Huh?

Not at all I took a pay cut. Hey do what you like but do not deny union imperfections, unions the management of, are corrupt, just like our politicians, they are one in the same NOT for the rank in file member.



Right to Work is a Republican version of an entitlement. It encourages freeloaders and is a poverty creator.


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To reduce this to gun control is very ignorant, I would think mental health would be the focus.



How many more people and their children who have to die by guns before you Neo-Con types come to your senses and do the right thing? Your excuses are always..."it's just one wacko here... only one nut job there...oh that guy was insane"... are starting to add up to a lot of wackos, nut jobs, insane and just plain evil people.


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Most sad in this kind of barbaric situations is that people are not able to see through the lines. The cannot understand that those are actively brainwashed sy borgs at service of increasingly brutal, dehumanizing, orwellian police state, beyond of the dreams of such dystopian writers. For that it is a good thing to disarm people.

My deepest condolences to the whole nation of the USofA and mostly so for the families of direct victims of this non-sense.

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Yes, isn't the right to bear arms great?
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/14/us/co ... ?hpt=hp_t1


Absolutely! In fact, since Obama's done such a fantastic job destroying a portion of the 1st Amendment and almost the entire 4th Amendment, the 2nd is probably up next! It's no wonder why you're such a fan!

Who needs rights?! Socialism rules!

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Gun control is a very major issues: with the amount of guns and easy availability to handguns you can be sure every American is able to get his hands on a gun, whether borrowed from friends or stolen at a burglary.
The problem is, with the huge proliferation of arms in the US, there's no way to pull off a mass gun repeal, it would be a logistics nightmare. The only answer: if you realize that this is going entirely the wrong way with guns in the States, emigrate.

Before anyone wants to throw in the recent shooting in Alphen a/d Rijn, let me say two things about that:
1: Alphen is about the most depressing place I've ever seen, and I live in Eindhoven so I'm used to something;
2: Very sad, very shocking, very true: by law Tristan would not have been allowed to join the shooting club and get his weapons: but somebody made a cock-up because he/she accidentally deleted Tristan's PDF-file.

Oh, for those of you keeping track at home, here's 2012's Massacre Score:
23 March Ingleside Massacre, San Francisco, CA, 5 deaths.
2 April Oikos shooting, Oakland CA, 7 deaths 3 injured.
30 May, Cafe Racer Massacre, Seattle, Washington, 6 deaths
20 July Aurora shooting, Colorado, 12 deaths 59 injured.
5 August Sikh Shooting, Oak Creek, Wisconsin, 6 deaths
21 October, Spa Shooting, Brookfield, Wisconsin, 4 deaths
14 December Sandy Hook School Shooting, Newtown Connecticut, 27 deaths

The page on Belgium has 2 post-WW2 entries: Liege from last year and that horrible daycare shooting from 2009. The Netherlands has no massacre Wiki but would have two massacres after WW2, besides Alphen, that would be the attack on the Queen in Apeldoorn, that killed 7. Poland has nothing behind the second world war, and only one entry from before. Germany has 4, one a terrorist attack by Palestinians and one an Italian mobster feud. France has 3 entries after WW2. Together they killed under 60 people: less than 10% of the amount of people killed in that single horrible massacre of Oradour-sur-Glane.

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Yes, isn't the right to bear arms great?
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/14/us/co ... ?hpt=hp_t1


Absolutely! In fact, since Obama's done such a fantastic job destroying a portion of the 1st Amendment and almost the entire 4th Amendment, the 2nd is probably up next! It's no wonder why you're such a fan!

Who needs rights?! Socialism rules!


I don't know why you think I'm an Obama fan , DB - he's not nearly enough of a socialist for me, in fact according to my criteria he isn't a socialist at all! :wink:
On a more serious note, I think it highly unlikely that any meaningful legislation will come out of this tragedy, although I do wish I was wrong.

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A common thread in these kinds of killing is perpretrators under the influence of anti-depressant drugs.

I don't think the gun is to blame, but easy access to the gun did not help.

The flaw in our gun laws is that we do not allow for the possibilty of malfunctioning human individuals. If we are going to have a society where guns are available, we should expect that many more people be in use of them. One should never assume that anyone is not armed. That way, people who try to do crazy shit with guns will think twice, because if there is a fifty-fity chance that any random person is carrying a firearm, then there's a good chance that the crazy will be taken out before the crazy can do more harm, so there's a better chance that the crazy won't even try.

I have a right to bear arms, but I choose not to. Once that right is gone, it's gone. More people should bear arms, not less, in a country where arms are easily available, for the protection themselves and of others and for the protection of the right to bear arms.

Banning guns will only drive the market underground, and will lead to massive animosity between the people and the police, who will of course still have guns. Letting anyone under psychiatric care have a gun is is dumb as Hell, but we have to expect that eventually someone will go nuts with a gun. It isn't just an American phenomenon. When someone does something like this, they do not expect that Principal Joe or Janitor Jerry is carrying a gun.

Maybe they should. It might seem a bit too wild West, but gun laws can't be half-assed. Guns are not going away, banned or not. If guns are available, responsible folks that want one should be able to get one, and maybe they should, because guns are so available that even irresponsible people can get one.

The shootings are awful. The gun didn't do it, a person did it. Instead of yelling about the gun, maybe we should start yelling at ourselves about how such a person is formed by our society.


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It's entirely true that there is a black market for guns out here, but let's face it: there is also a black market for absinthe and tropical animals and ivory and fake brand goods and cocaine and sex slaves and kids and Frank knows what else. If it's illegal, there's a black market. That's no reason to "just allow" it.

Controlled armor dealings would've made sure that many of these massacres, like the cinema shooting, didn't happen. Guns are just too lethal and too easy to use to let it fall in the wrong hands: whether the wrong hands are those of a psychopath or those of a three-year-old shooting his father.

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Gun control? No way! Pray more instead!
"Back when we had prayer we didn't need guns"
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/f ... e-he-not-w
"We ask why there is violence in our schools but we have systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?"
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Gun control is a very major issues: with the amount of guns and easy availability to handguns you can be sure every American is able to get his hands on a gun, whether borrowed from friends or stolen at a burglary.
The problem is, with the huge proliferation of arms in the US, there's no way to pull off a mass gun repeal, it would be a logistics nightmare. The only answer: if you realize that this is going entirely the wrong way with guns in the States, emigrate.

Before anyone wants to throw in the recent shooting in Alphen a/d Rijn, let me say two things about that:
1: Alphen is about the most depressing place I've ever seen, and I live in Eindhoven so I'm used to something;
2: Very sad, very shocking, very true: by law Tristan would not have been allowed to join the shooting club and get his weapons: but somebody made a cock-up because he/she accidentally deleted Tristan's PDF-file.

Oh, for those of you keeping track at home, here's 2012's Massacre Score:
23 March Ingleside Massacre, San Francisco, CA, 5 deaths.
2 April Oikos shooting, Oakland CA, 7 deaths 3 injured.
30 May, Cafe Racer Massacre, Seattle, Washington, 6 deaths
20 July Aurora shooting, Colorado, 12 deaths 59 injured.
5 August Sikh Shooting, Oak Creek, Wisconsin, 6 deaths
21 October, Spa Shooting, Brookfield, Wisconsin, 4 deaths
14 December Sandy Hook School Shooting, Newtown Connecticut, 27 deaths

The page on Belgium has 2 post-WW2 entries: Liege from last year and that horrible daycare shooting from 2009. The Netherlands has no massacre Wiki but would have two massacres after WW2, besides Alphen, that would be the attack on the Queen in Apeldoorn, that killed 7. Poland has nothing behind the second world war, and only one entry from before. Germany has 4, one a terrorist attack by Palestinians and one an Italian mobster feud. France has 3 entries after WW2. Together they killed under 60 people: less than 10% of the amount of people killed in that single horrible massacre of Oradour-sur-Glane.

There is no hell. There's only the States.


...and Norway...



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A common thread in these kinds of killing is perpretrators under the influence of anti-depressant drugs.

I don't think the gun is to blame, but easy access to the gun did not help.

The flaw in our gun laws is that we do not allow for the possibilty of malfunctioning human individuals. If we are going to have a society where guns are available, we should expect that many more people be in use of them. One should never assume that anyone is not armed. That way, people who try to do crazy shit with guns will think twice, because if there is a fifty-fity chance that any random person is carrying a firearm, then there's a good chance that the crazy will be taken out before the crazy can do more harm, so there's a better chance that the crazy won't even try.

I have a right to bear arms, but I choose not to. Once that right is gone, it's gone. More people should bear arms, not less, in a country where arms are easily available, for the protection themselves and of others and for the protection of the right to bear arms.

Banning guns will only drive the market underground, and will lead to massive animosity between the people and the police, who will of course still have guns. Letting anyone under psychiatric care have a gun is is dumb as Hell, but we have to expect that eventually someone will go nuts with a gun. It isn't just an American phenomenon. When someone does something like this, they do not expect that Principal Joe or Janitor Jerry is carrying a gun.

Maybe they should. It might seem a bit too wild West, but gun laws can't be half-assed. Guns are not going away, banned or not. If guns are available, responsible folks that want one should be able to get one, and maybe they should, because guns are so available that even irresponsible people can get one.

The shootings are awful. The gun didn't do it, a person did it. Instead of yelling about the gun, maybe we should start yelling at ourselves about how such a person is formed by our society.


This guy was under the influence of Jesus and Right Wing Republican philosophy when he went on his mass murder spree...he was on a mission to kill Labor Party children. The Labor Party supports labor unions. This Right Wing nut job went on his murder spree to kill the children of supporters of Labor Unions.

Quote from the following article..."He describes himself as a Christian, leaning toward right-wing Christianity, on his Facebook page," Andresen said."

"At least 91 dead in Norway shooting, bomb attack" - http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/ ... VI20110723


I blame it ALL soley on Republicans.


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