BBP wrote:
Gun control is a very major issues: with the amount of guns and easy availability to handguns you can be sure every American is able to get his hands on a gun, whether borrowed from friends or stolen at a burglary.
The problem is, with the huge proliferation of arms in the US, there's no way to pull off a mass gun repeal, it would be a logistics nightmare. The only answer: if you realize that this is going entirely the wrong way with guns in the States, emigrate.
Before anyone wants to throw in the recent shooting in Alphen a/d Rijn, let me say two things about that:
1: Alphen is about the most depressing place I've ever seen, and I live in Eindhoven so I'm used to something;
2: Very sad, very shocking, very true: by law Tristan would not have been allowed to join the shooting club and get his weapons: but somebody made a cock-up because he/she accidentally deleted Tristan's PDF-file.
Oh, for those of you keeping track at home, here's 2012's Massacre Score:
23 March Ingleside Massacre, San Francisco, CA, 5 deaths.
2 April Oikos shooting, Oakland CA, 7 deaths 3 injured.
30 May, Cafe Racer Massacre, Seattle, Washington, 6 deaths
20 July Aurora shooting, Colorado, 12 deaths 59 injured.
5 August Sikh Shooting, Oak Creek, Wisconsin, 6 deaths
21 October, Spa Shooting, Brookfield, Wisconsin, 4 deaths
14 December Sandy Hook School Shooting, Newtown Connecticut, 27 deaths
The page on Belgium has 2 post-WW2 entries: Liege from last year and that horrible daycare shooting from 2009. The Netherlands has no massacre Wiki but would have two massacres after WW2, besides Alphen, that would be the attack on the Queen in Apeldoorn, that killed 7. Poland has nothing behind the second world war, and only one entry from before. Germany has 4, one a terrorist attack by Palestinians and one an Italian mobster feud. France has 3 entries after WW2. Together they killed under 60 people: less than 10% of the amount of people killed in that single horrible massacre of Oradour-sur-Glane.
There is no hell. There's only the States.
...and Norway...
A rope leash wrote:
A common thread in these kinds of killing is perpretrators under the influence of anti-depressant drugs.
I don't think the gun is to blame, but easy access to the gun did not help.
The flaw in our gun laws is that we do not allow for the possibilty of malfunctioning human individuals. If we are going to have a society where guns are available, we should expect that many more people be in use of them. One should never assume that anyone is not armed. That way, people who try to do crazy shit with guns will think twice, because if there is a fifty-fity chance that any random person is carrying a firearm, then there's a good chance that the crazy will be taken out before the crazy can do more harm, so there's a better chance that the crazy won't even try.
I have a right to bear arms, but I choose not to. Once that right is gone, it's gone. More people should bear arms, not less, in a country where arms are easily available, for the protection themselves and of others and for the protection of the right to bear arms.
Banning guns will only drive the market underground, and will lead to massive animosity between the people and the police, who will of course still have guns. Letting anyone under psychiatric care have a gun is is dumb as Hell, but we have to expect that eventually someone will go nuts with a gun. It isn't just an American phenomenon. When someone does something like this, they do not expect that Principal Joe or Janitor Jerry is carrying a gun.
Maybe they should. It might seem a bit too wild West, but gun laws can't be half-assed. Guns are not going away, banned or not. If guns are available, responsible folks that want one should be able to get one, and maybe they should, because guns are so available that even irresponsible people can get one.
The shootings are awful. The gun didn't do it, a person did it. Instead of yelling about the gun, maybe we should start yelling at ourselves about how such a person is formed by our society.
This guy was under the influence of Jesus and Right Wing Republican philosophy when he went on his mass murder spree...he was on a mission to kill Labor Party children. The Labor Party supports labor unions. This Right Wing nut job went on his murder spree to kill the children of supporters of Labor Unions.
Quote from the following article...
"He describes himself as a Christian, leaning toward right-wing Christianity, on his Facebook page," Andresen said.""At least 91 dead in Norway shooting, bomb attack" -
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/ ... VI20110723I blame it ALL soley on Republicans.
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