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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:17 pm 
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yea, & similar earlier posts by many others were selectively ignored in a lame intimidation attempt by a bunch of über-pussies to gang up on disco boy, who continues to serve 'em back their own chickenshit on a silver fucking platter


I try to do my best...but it's not always easy. :wink:



Funny how you pat yourself on the back when somebody comes to your rescue, and you take pride in the fact that they play the pity party victim card on your behalf. Sad.


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I wasn't patting myself on the back or being rescued, moron.


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Why am I not surprised?

Face it HBB, you've lost the Ron Paul debate. He lost the election. Get over it. He's not coming back.


I like slime. I appreciate his depth of knowledge about Zappa related info and his sense of humor, but why he feels the need to come to Honey Boo Boo's rescue once again is beyond me.


Face it Honey Boo Boo...you lost the Ron Paul debate. You lost the gun control debate. You lost the economics debate, and you lost the constitutional debate. In return, you lash out because of your refusal to accept being proven wrong time and time again.


Debates? What debates? I've been playing Expose-the-Moron with you now for eons. And you STILL don't get that you're the moron. You can't admit you're wrong because of your SEVERE denial and you wouldn't know common sense if it sucked your cock.

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And what, "...comments that are miles away from Frank's thinking by peoples who claim that they are themselves a genuine Zappa's legacy product, if such a thing exists...", are you specifically referring to? Do tell, you non-moron you...

Promoting statu quo about guns when the Zappa's family signed for a gun-restricting law.
Not really the in-house philosophy.
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You may have a point on the gun control issue...but it's debatable whether or not FZ would be for stricter gun laws since he was a Constitutionalist and used to read the US Constitution to his family. But on the other hand, FZ was a hardcore Capitalist who wanted to legalize drugs, abolish the IRS & income tax and couldn't stand unions or Communism/Socialism, etc. So, for you to imply or state that Libertarians or even all Conservatives make, "...comments that are miles away from Frank's thinking by peoples who claim that they are themselves a genuine Zappa's legacy product, if such a thing exists...", is just NOT true. Frank Zappa's beliefs were FAR closer to Libertarianism than most here would like to believe, including YOU.

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Less guns = less frequent shootings of innocents in shopping malls, in schools, on the street, etc...


ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

Most statistics prove otherwise. And even several US politicians who support stricter gun laws agree that it won't make a difference. And while I agree something needs to be done, it's mental illness issue, not a gun issue. So, since that's where the problem lies, that's where efforts need to be focused...

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The bottom line is the gun people do not want to give up their guns because they want to be well armed if they have to fight the Goverment and frankly that is why the Founders put the 2nd amendment in the Constitution. If everyone was not so parnoid and wanted to do the right thing then you would be able to curb this insanity, but 100,000,000 people do not want to willingly give up these arms and therefore due to the logitical impossibilty it will never happen.

Case closed... :smoke:


That's an over-simplification and doesn't tell the whole story. Most people want their rights upheld. And in particular, they want and should have the right to protect themselves by bearing arms. I don't see anything wrong with this. Upholding your Constitutional rights should be viewed as extremely important. And if the 2nd Amendment is destroyed, all hell is going to break loose...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:16 am 
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I always have to chuckle whenever the discussions in threads veer into the topic of one particular person...where have we seen this script play out on the forum before?...of yeah...Isaac...now I get it.


Only, now he apparently has a fan club :roll:



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I also get a chuckle at arm-chair wannabe constitutional scholars who selectively ignore the important historical elements of why exactly certain parts of the 2nd amendment were added.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:19 am 
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You can't control mental illness. You'll never be able to do that.
But you can control their access to guns.
In the stats I also see places with 0 murder by guns because they have 0 guns.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:59 am 
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I did not buy one gun to protect myself, I bought them to hunt with and shoot targets, it is very fun, that said I would use one to defend my family if the situation presented it self but then I would use use or do about anything in that scenario.

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...slime... why he feels the need to come to Honey Boo Boo's rescue once again is beyond me

once again ¿ rescue ¿ your joking, like, seriously, once again ¿ for, like, maybe the 2nd time in several thousand posts after yet another pathetic, feeble cheap-shot by plook, & you start squawking about a rescue when it's you chumps that need the rescuing ... my only advice for disco boy is, actually, he don't need no advice from me, he basically owned [that's right, you heard right: owned] all of yez about 1,800 posts back



Easy Slime, I am only pointing out an approach he has taken that has been around as long as grade school, insult and demean is unacceptable and not argument…

Pointing that out is neither feeble or cheap...that analysis can only come from a minion or someone who feels they have a horse in the race, in this case there is no race…

If you look back in this thread I supported the opinion the Republicans were out to screw RP over, actually Jon Stewart made the same case many times on his show…

Things went south when I one pointed out that if the RP people high jacked the convention and turn primary voters for other candidates to RP supporters that they would be breaching their duty as sworn representatives at the convention…the attacks on me began…that train ain’t never late…

I further incurred his ire when I used his figures on how many people did not vote in the general election due to the poor treatment of RP (he said 5 to 10 million but I can’t remember for sure and I am not revisiting those pages). I used his estimate to show that there then must have been a large gain in new voters since the count was down 2 million yet he claimed many more who had voted in the past did not…net gain is the only explanation…

Apparently the math brought on more insults and demeaning along with his own self inflicted wound by using a special needs child as an attempt to somehow humiliate me…that train ain’t never late…

My simply pointing out these are the same tactics that Bully’s use (and they are right out of the playbook) caused him to challenge my character and moral compass in ways that many on this site know are completely false because they have met me…

This encouraged me to right my BB opposite statement, that while factual and attestable by many here, brought many people I consider smart to his defense…

This has both somewhat confused and disappointed me since his behavior towards me and others who will not kowtow to him, is anti social 101 and textbook sociopathic…

In fact I had the Daughter Plook the Elder who is working on her PHD in Clinical Psychology read some of this to get her take, I told her I would like to meet him and find out what side the bread was buttered on…she said to stay clear he is creepy…

Now I am just waiting on the train…lol….


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:21 pm 
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Mij wrote:
Doing nothing solves nothing.


Doing nothing would solve everything.

If we all just did nothing there would be no crisis. Doing nothing leaves nothing to be solved.

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downer mydnyte wrote:
Mij wrote:
Doing nothing solves nothing.


Doing nothing would solve everything.

If we all just did nothing there would be no crisis. Doing nothing leaves nothing to be solved.

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Doing nothing would mean more shootings in schools, shopping malls, streets, etc...
What a poot argument you have here buddy !
YOU may do nothing but I fear the crazy guy with a gun and crazy ideas won't stay idle.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:42 pm 
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Mij wrote:

Doing nothing would mean more shootings in schools, shopping malls, streets, etc...


To shoot a gun is to do something. I said everyone do nothing. Doing nothing would only mean one thing: Doing nothing. It certainly wouldn't mean shootings in schools.

What the world needs now is Nothing. Sweet nothing.


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downer mydnyte wrote:
Mij wrote:

Doing nothing would mean more shootings in schools, shopping malls, streets, etc...


To shoot a gun is to do something. I said everyone do nothing. Doing nothing would only mean one thing: Doing nothing. It certainly wouldn't mean shootings in schools.

What the world needs now is Nothing. Sweet nothing.


Funny, it sounds like an old song from the 60's...

So what are you gonna do to stop the Crazy man who don't want to do nothing ? Pray ? Hide ?
It may work in DisneyLand but not in real world.
You know that your idea won't work, so something must be done.
The tragedy of life... we just can't do nothing ! 8)

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Mij, you could be 100 percent correct. It doesn't matter though, in the end, nothing will be done. And even in the infinitesimally small chance that some kind of ban is enacted, it will not mean a thing. That is the reality here. And please realize I'm not saying you are wrong, either.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:11 pm 
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Banning guns outright won't happen, but there are a lot of things that can be done to force gun owners, sellers and manufacturers to police themselves.

A few idea's I would support...

~ Mandatory background checks on ALL purchases or transfers of guns from one or more parties to the other regardless. Failure to do so revokes all involved parties rights to own any firearm and massive fines.
~ Mandatory taxes and insurance paid by ALL gun owners, sellers and manufaturers to cover ALL costs of ALL gun related accidents.
~ If you fail to safely secure your firearms and somebody gets injured or killed by them, you lose ALL firearm rights, with exceptions for certain circumstances.
~ To own firearms, it's mandatory to take a gun safety course and test every year for a fee (feedom isn't free - if it's good enough for vehicle operators, it's good enough for gun owners). Failuire to do so will result in fines. Failure to pay fines means you lose ALL rights to own firearms/additional fines/jail time.
~ If you commit any gun related crime, you get mandatory life in prison.
~ Institute an annual fee for each gun owned and base the cost on weapon grade.


Something HAS to be done. I've had a few close calls with death relating to guns. Guns are too big of a responsibility for too many people. If gun owners want to keep their hobby, they have to take full responsibilty.


It's such a stupid and obvious debate for such a big business scam to push product to have so many people acting stupid over a stupid fucking hobby.

I hate to say the obvious, but it's another prime example of big business over-stepping their boundries that will result in the collapse of our society, so that a bunch of fucking idiots can have a stupid fucking hobby. It's shameful that big business interests have polluted the US Constitution, just so they can create a scam to make big money. They knew exactly what they were doing when they amended it to not only protect their own business interests, but to protect the business interests of slave owners.

Slavery was legal longer in American history than the corporate spinsored and manufactured "right" to own a hunk of metal that shoots smaller hunks of metal.

Can't wait to see reactions from the wannabee amateur armchair Constitutional scholars to my post. :roll:


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calvin2hikers wrote:
Mij, you could be 100 percent correct. It doesn't matter though, in the end, nothing will be done. And even in the infinitesimally small chance that some kind of ban is enacted, it will not mean a thing. That is the reality here. And please realize I'm not saying you are wrong, either.

I just finished viewing "Won't back down".
Apparently based on a true story.
Anyway, it shows that no matter how high is the wall, it can be tear down.

I prefer to think that bad things can be corrected.
And, of course, it'll never be if nothing is done.
Sorry to differ.

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Mij wrote:
I prefer to think that bad things can be corrected.
And, of course, it'll never be if nothing is done.

If nothing is done then nothing needs to be corrected.

Don't you understand?


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Banning guns outright won't happen, but there are a lot of things that can be done to force ...

..Can't wait to see reactions from the wannabee amateur armchair Constitutional scholars to my post.
have to agree with most of spacebro's gun-related points raised

whatever you can do to have a good time, let's get on with it so long as it doesn't cause a murder; any way you look at it, guns cause murder ... if they don't give 'em up, drone the fuckers

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:21 pm 
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Mij wrote:
I just finished viewing "Won't back down".
Apparently based on a true story.
Anyway, it shows that no matter how high is the wall, it can be tear down.

I prefer to think that bad things can be corrected.
And, of course, it'll never be if nothing is done.
Sorry to differ.


I'm not differing from you. You are talking about how things can be corrected if people do something. I'm saying the reality is that nothing will be done. I haven't said whether I think something should be done or nothing should be done. I've learned not to share my political opinions here.

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calvin2hikers wrote:
Mij wrote:
I just finished viewing "Won't back down".
Apparently based on a true story.
Anyway, it shows that no matter how high is the wall, it can be tear down.

I prefer to think that bad things can be corrected.
And, of course, it'll never be if nothing is done.
Sorry to differ.


I'm not differing from you. You are talking about how things can be corrected if people do something. I'm saying the reality is that nothing will be done. I haven't said whether I think something should be done or nothing should be done. I've learned not to share my political opinions here.


I read you loud and clear.
I just hope you're wrong and that something will be done.
Otherwise, stay tuned for your daily shootings, canal so and so...

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tweedle-dumb wrote:
I also get a chuckle at arm-chair wannabe constitutional scholars who selectively ignore the important historical elements of why exactly certain parts of the 2nd amendment were added.


You mean YOUR interpretation of why, "...important historical elements of why exactly certain parts of the 2nd amendment were added..." :roll:

Mij wrote:
You can't control mental illness. You'll never be able to do that.
But you can control their access to guns.


But in most cases, you can control mental illness as well as their access to guns.

Mij wrote:
In the stats I also see places with 0 murder by guns because they have 0 guns.


You mean in a handful of countries that have extremely low populations and hence extremely low crime rates compared to the US, which has over 300 MILLION PEOPLE.

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...I am only pointing out an approach he has taken that has been around as long as grade school, insult and demean is unacceptable and not argument…

Pointing that out is neither feeble or cheap...that analysis can only come from a minion or someone who feels they have a horse in the race, in this case there is no race…

If you look back in this thread I supported the opinion the Republicans were out to screw RP over, actually Jon Stewart made the same case many times on his show…

Things went south when I one pointed out that if the RP people high jacked the convention and turn primary voters for other candidates to RP supporters that they would be breaching their duty as sworn representatives at the convention…the attacks on me began…that train ain’t never late…

I further incurred his ire when I used his figures on how many people did not vote in the general election due to the poor treatment of RP (he said 5 to 10 million but I can’t remember for sure and I am not revisiting those pages). I used his estimate to show that there then must have been a large gain in new voters since the count was down 2 million yet he claimed many more who had voted in the past did not…net gain is the only explanation…

Apparently the math brought on more insults and demeaning along with his own self inflicted wound by using a special needs child as an attempt to somehow humiliate me…that train ain’t never late…

My simply pointing out these are the same tactics that Bully’s use (and they are right out of the playbook) caused him to challenge my character and moral compass in ways that many on this site know are completely false because they have met me…

This encouraged me to right my BB opposite statement, that while factual and attestable by many here, brought many people I consider smart to his defense…

This has both somewhat confused and disappointed me since his behavior towards me and others who will not kowtow to him, is anti social 101 and textbook sociopathic…

In fact I had the Daughter Plook the Elder who is working on her PHD in Clinical Psychology read some of this to get her take, I told her I would like to meet him and find out what side the bread was buttered on…she said to stay clear he is creepy…

Now I am just waiting on the train…lol….


This coming from someone who can't back up his BS claims about me that state I've made, "out-right lies" & "half-truths" and can't admit he's wrong to save his life. I don't give shit to people who don't deserve it. And there's NOTHING I haven't thrown at you that you don't deserve. Especially since you constantly duck, ignore and/or cast aside responsibility for your actions and claim you're a victim, all the while acting like your shit don't stink...when it DOES. You're probably THE most non-self-aware person I've ever encountered. And don't even get me started on your grossly inaccurate estimations of my estimations of Ron Paul's fanbase, self-reverential psycho-babble or your extremely judgemental assassinations of my character that have NO basis in reality - which is something I'm now doubting you even live in.

You are THE epitome of a SPINELESS WEASEL.

And you need serious help.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:25 am 
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wtf looks like we had a melt down

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:53 am 
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Yeah, noticed some posts were missing too.

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wtf looks like we had a melt down


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Yeah, noticed some posts were missing too.


As in mods or admins deleting posts?

Please don't ask me to read this stupid endless internet discussion (remember, I've been there!)...

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You are THE epitome of a SPINELESS WEASEL.


Right on time...that train ain't never late... :smoke:


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Some gun debate posts appear to have suddenly disappeared, as well as some of the seemingly never-ending pissing match between DB ad myself. Did the admin finally check his account and confirm my suspicians?


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I doubt the forum being down was due to your rants

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It looks like a minor breakdown. I was pretty sure there were more posts in the ... Just Died thread.

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Yea there were a few lost, nothing like cyberspace

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