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No, it's the nature of Government to disfavor "mixed economies" and socialism because they save their cash whoredom for those who can make the highest bids on them -- corporations.
"Capitalism?" I've never seen it, don't know what it is and find its theoreticians laughable.
Didn't we recently see the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Inc." [sic!] collapse after trying to expand too far as a monolithic corporation? 70 years isn't very long! Now it's our turn.

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the ussr collapsed under its own weight, communistic socialism, and that fate is awaiting the type of economy Obama has embraced.

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No, it's the nature of Government to disfavor "mixed economies" and socialism because they save their cash whoredom for those who can make the highest bids on them -- corporations.
"Capitalism?" I've never seen it, don't know what it is and find its theoreticians laughable.
Didn't we recently see the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Inc." [sic!] collapse after trying to expand too far as a monolithic corporation? 70 years isn't very long! Now it's our turn.

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the ussr collapsed under its own weight, communistic socialism, and that fate is awaiting the type of economy Obama has embraced.

If that was true, China would be collapsing.



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When Will China Surpass the U.S.?
In November 2012, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) published an authoritative study on global long-term growth prospects. The study concluded that on the basis of 2005 PPP rates, China may surpass the Euro area’s GDP within a year, and that of the U.S. in another few years to become the world’s largest economy.

Specifically, China’s GDP (based on 2005 PPP) is forecast by the OECD at $15.26 trillion for 2016, exceeding the forecasted U.S. GDP of $15.24 trillion for the very first time. China is estimated to pull ahead of the U.S. steadily in the following years; the Chinese economy is estimated to be 1.5 times as large as the U.S. by 2030 and 1.7 times bigger by 2060. India, for its part, is only projected to surpass the U.S. in 2051, when its GDP is forecast at $33.1 trillion, compared with U.S. GDP of $33 trillion. The IMF reached a similar conclusion in its October 2012 World Economic Outlook report, projecting that China’s GDP of $20.20 trillion in 2017 will exceed U.S. GDP of $19.75 trillion for the first time.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/business/investop ... z2QGIChYxo



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:09 am 
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Nicely done, SB.

Aaaagggh. In the time I spent posting the above, you had to go and edit it from a clean retort.

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Re-edited to keep the context of the response intact and Thank you Arkay!


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china is one country not a group of republics they also trade with the world, ussr was limited, you guys do know the wall came down, time to dial down the ideology and deal with reality. remember sb thought a trillion bucks would give every one in the usa a million, rk you r an educated idiot, and sb just a guttersnipe.

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Dang, I done been schooled again!

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
china is one country not a group of republics they also trade with the world, ussr was limited, you guys do know the wall came down, time to dial down the ideology and deal with reality. remember sb thought a trillion bucks would give every one in the usa a million, rk you r an educated idiot, and sb just a guttersnipe.


I love you man, the sky's not cryin' or about to fall, and the suns starting to shine again. Why always go for the obviously negative/hate approach? We are right, they are wrong, shit? It's going on 6yrs. old now. We can always find fault with others so why not offer solutions with civil discourse? Or.....

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This isn't a band wagon to jump on Spacebro'. Just sayin'. I'm Swiss on this. :|

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This isn't a band wagon to jump on Spacebro'. Just sayin'. I'm Swiss on this. :|



Your stinky and full of holes...fondue anyone... :smoke:


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This isn't a band wagon to jump on Spacebro'. Just sayin'. I'm Swiss on this. :|



Your stinky and full of holes...fondue anyone...

Who you talkin' to Swiss Miss? :mrgreen: ...and put out that smoke young man! :P

(he used to be a nice boy, he used to smoke grass) :shock:

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Texas Congressman Points To Noah's Flood To Prove Climate Change Is Not Man-Made [VIDEO]

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By Tamarra Kemsley

Climate change can't be man made, insisted Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas during his remarks on the Keystone XL Pipeline: just look at Noah.

"I would point out that if you're a believer in the Bible, one would have to say the Great Flood is an example of climate change, and that certainly wasn't because mankind had overdeveloped hydrocarbon energy," he said at the Subcommittee on Energy and Power hearing of the Northern Route Approval Act.

In addition, Barton said he opposes the idea that anyone has to cling to just one side of the aisle in the debate.

"I think you can have an honest difference of opinion of what's causing that change without automatically being either all in - that it's all because of mankind or it's all just natural," he said. "I think there's divergence of evidence."

This isn't the first time Barton has offered his personal feelings on the subject of global warming - the man has been outspoken for years.

In 2009, for example, he delivered remarks at the House Energy and Commerce Committee in which he called climate change the "practical, affordable, utterly natural response to nature when the planet is healing or cooling," adding that people should find shelter when it rains and shade when it's hot.

Furthermore, he argued, "CO2 is not a pollutant in any normal definition of the term. It's in your Coca-Cola, your Dr. Pepper and your Perrier water. It's necessary for human life. It's odorless, colorless, tasteless, doesn't cause cancer, doesn't cause asthma."

Should the Northern Route Approval Act pass, TransCanada would be granted a permit to build a 1,179-mile pipeline between Hardisty, Alberta, and Steele City, Okla. It would then be used to ship crude oil across the border.

Currently, the company is moving ahead with the project's 485-mile southern leg known as the Gulf Coast Project, which, upon completion, will link Steele City and Port Arthur, Texas. The construction is two-thirds built and already has all the necessary federal permits.

Video of Barton's remarks

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:50 pm 
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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
china is one country not a group of republics they also trade with the world, ussr was limited, you guys do know the wall came down, time to dial down the ideology and deal with reality. remember sb thought a trillion bucks would give every one in the usa a million, rk you r an educated idiot, and sb just a guttersnipe.


That wasn't the point you made. You said...
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the ussr collapsed under its own weight, communistic socialism, and that fate is awaiting the type of economy Obama has embraced.


China is also a country famously known for it's Communistic Socialism, and they are within a couple of years of surpassing our economy, which negates that myth.


Communism in Russia collapsed for a variety of reasons. One of the primary reasons are those evil trade and labor unions you guys hate so much...
http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1060898.html

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Twenty-five years ago next Wednesday -- 31 August 1980 -- unemployed Polish electrician Lech Walesa struck a major blow to Soviet communism when, after leading a strike at the Lenin Shipyard in Gdansk, he announced the official birth of the Solidarity independent trade union. Solidarity went on to play a central role in the demise of communism across the Soviet bloc, changing forever the course of history in Europe.


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Batchain1001 wrote:
No, it's the nature of Government to disfavor "mixed economies" and socialism because they save their cash whoredom for those who can make the highest bids on them -- corporations.
"Capitalism?" I've never seen it, don't know what it is and find its theoreticians laughable.
Didn't we recently see the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Inc." [sic!] collapse after trying to expand too far as a monolithic corporation? 70 years isn't very long! Now it's our turn.

--Bat


Wtf?

Governments and Corporatism LOVE Mixed Economies (a mixture of Socialism/Capitalism) because they solidify each other's power, increased wealth and enables them to corner the markets, especially when partaking in whatever the latest scam is. And when a rare situation arises where Corporatism happens to fail, no problem, there's a multi-billion dollar taxpayer bail-out waiting for them. The Housing Bubble Crisis that we're still enduring today and other related financial calamities, tragedies, etc., would NOT be happening if we lived in a Capitalist Economy because it does NOT allow the aforementioned types of activities to occur.

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Everybody, except Almost Boy gets it. He doesn't even almost get it. :lol:


The corporations buy off the polititians, the polititians roll back the regulations and place those with the corpororate interests in the regulatory commitee's and/or other people on their payroll who is favorable to the corporations, and the corporations get away with it, whether it's the banks, the energy industry, the gun/weapons industry and so on and so forth.


Here's one example that is currentlt in the news...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/ ... PI20130411


What you don't seem to understand is that what you've summarized above is similar to what I'm saying. The only major difference is that it seems like you're acting as though Corporatism's solely responsible for the financial messes we're in, have been in, or probably will be in in the future (as long as a similar type of Mixed Economy still exists). But in reality, despite the fact Corporatism is helping to create these situations, they're only about 50% responsible, since they're being ALLOWED to do so, thanks to the socialist policies embedded with the particular type of Mixed Economy we live in...

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See my post that precedes yours about the role of unions and stronger economies, and how busting them here in our country is partially driving China's economy. I know how much you Righties hate unions.


Socialist Communist China's rapidly growing economy, and it being within a couple of years of surpassing ours, negates the entire basis of your argument here.

See my post at the top of this page...


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Obama type economy can be seen in Detroit which has been run by democrats for 50 years, as for the ussr the regan defense initiative caused them to over spend on their military with this debt and socialistic government they opted for capitalism.

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
Obama type economy can be seen in Detroit which has been run by democrats for 50 years, as for the ussr the regan defense initiative caused them to over spend on their military with this debt and socialistic government they opted for capitalism.



Union busting is what killed automobile industry in Detroit, and Flint, and Saginaw and pretty much the east side of the state. Since 1963, almost every govenorship in Michigan has been Republican. Republicans hate unions and have been busting them in this state since George Romney was the govenor 1963 - 1969. The final nail was pounded into Detroits economic coffin by the current govenor, who, with the help of the entirely Republican controlled state legislature which plagues this state, despite a 60% public vote against it, forced an emergency manager law and a Right To Work law during the lame duck session. There was no Socialism involved in killing Detroit what-so-ever. Thats just another myth.


Labor and trade unions were one of the primary reasons why Russia fell. See my links above towards the top ofthe page. Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with the fall of Communism in Russia, despite his false claims and empty rhetoric to "tear down this wall", which was already being torn down without his help.



....but thats hardly breaking news.


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Although to conservative economists inflation is usually a dirty word, most mainstream practitioners of the aptly named "dismal science" agree that a modest continuous rise in prices and the slight ongoing decline in the purchasing power of money that goes with it have an overall beneficial effect on the economy.

The gradual erosion in the real monetary value of wages lowers inherently inflexible labor costs without triggering job action. The steady reduction in the net worth of portfolios of corporate earnings held in cash reserves encourages companies to instead invest those profits in factory expansions and new production, and the flexibility to lower interest rates in a mildly inflationary environment provides central banks with the critical tool they need to keep the economy on an even keel, avoiding both bubbles and slumps.

Perhaps most importantly, a widespread public perception that prices will go up by a little bit all the time encourages consumers to buy now rather than later, which in turn leads to greater production of goods, more employment, and a higher level of general prosperity- the exact opposite of the conditions that prevail in a deflationary environment, when falling prices persuade potential purchasers to put off their shopping trips and hoard their increasingly valuable stores of money.

The problem with this scenario is that once inflationary expectations fully take hold, prices start to rise much more rapidly, and pretty soon prudent, prompt purchasing strategies turn into panic buying, leading to irrational valuations of inherently speculative assets, like internet stocks and high-end real estate. Similarly, the inherent decline in the value of money makes creditors reluctant to offer loans at anything other than usurious rates, and a lack of confidence in the integrity of the basic unit of exchange (the dollar) leads to misallocations of resources into unproductive investments like gold. In the most extreme cases, as in modern day Zimbabwe, hyperinflation rates in excess of 1 trillion percent make any economic activity other than simple barter transactions -say, offering an egg instead of cash for a billion dollar haircut -impractical.

Troublesome? At least it's not "stagflation": A process through which dominant corporations with overweening pricing power and potent political influence ( a category overrepresented by major firms in the arms and energy industries) tend to maximize their profits and capitalizations both directly through mergers and acquisitions and indirectly by exploiting periods of competitive stress to increase their size and overall market share.

Can a solution to this devastating economic crisis be found in the long run? It's an open question, though it's worth remembering that the great economist John Maynard Keynes was fond of noting that "in the long run, we are all dead."


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Although to conservative economists inflation is usually a dirty word, most mainstream practitioners of the aptly named "dismal science" agree that a modest continuous rise in prices and the slight ongoing decline in the purchasing power of money that goes with it have an overall beneficial effect on the economy.

The gradual erosion in the real monetary value of wages lowers inherently inflexible labor costs without triggering job action. The steady reduction in the net worth of portfolios of corporate earnings held in cash reserves encourages companies to instead invest those profits in factory expansions and new production, and the flexibility to lower interest rates in a mildly inflationary environment provides central banks with the critical tool they need to keep the economy on an even keel, avoiding both bubbles and slumps.

Perhaps most importantly, a widespread public perception that prices will go up by a little bit all the time encourages consumers to buy now rather than later, which in turn leads to greater production of goods, more employment, and a higher level of general prosperity- the exact opposite of the conditions that prevail in a deflationary environment, when falling prices persuade potential purchasers to put off their shopping trips and hoard their increasingly valuable stores of money.

The problem with this scenario is that once inflationary expectations fully take hold, prices start to rise much more rapidly, and pretty soon prudent, prompt purchasing strategies turn into panic buying, leading to irrational valuations of inherently speculative assets, like internet stocks and high-end real estate. Similarly, the inherent decline in the value of money makes creditors reluctant to offer loans at anything other than usurious rates, and a lack of confidence in the integrity of the basic unit of exchange (the dollar) leads to misallocations of resources into unproductive investments like gold. In the most extreme cases, as in modern day Zimbabwe, hyperinflation rates in excess of 1 trillion percent make any economic activity other than simple barter transactions -say, offering an egg instead of cash for a billion dollar haircut -impractical.

Troublesome? At least it's not "stagflation": A process through which dominant corporations with overweening pricing power and potent political influence ( a category overrepresented by major firms in the arms and energy industries) tend to maximize their profits and capitalizations both directly through mergers and acquisitions and indirectly by exploiting periods of competitive stress to increase their size and overall market share.

Can a solution to this devastating economic crisis be found in the long run? It's an open question, though it's worth remembering that the great economist John Maynard Keynes was fond of noting that "in the long run, we are all dead."


Where did you cut & paste this from?

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one more Obama lie, fair share? Obama paid 17% in taxes, at 600k, I pay 30% at 45k so all you idealogs keep buying into the fair share bull shit and the present admins line of economic crap, great job on the economy Obama and all you sheep that voted for this scam.

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Where did you cut & paste this from?

I didn't cut and paste. I typed it.


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Disco Boy wrote:
Where did you cut & paste this from?

I didn't cut and paste. I typed it.


Right...and I'm the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man victimizing Manhattan...

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The cut & paste job or text looks as though it's from a hardcore Keynesian... :roll:


Milton Friedman on Greed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

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The cut & paste job or text looks as though it's from a hardcore Keynesian...


It's not a cut and paste job. You wont find that text on the internet. And I'm not a Keynesian. But I did post that to fuck with you, so...I guess it was successful.

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