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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:23 am 
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Better go spread your racial epithets to congress as they voted on the war,

The congress that voted for war was controlled by Republicans. Doesn't change the fact that Bush lied at least 935 times, just about the Iraq war.

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you really need to be banned for spreading all your crap,

You're just mad because the phony controversy about Benghazi with 4 casualties against Obama is falling apart, and Bush had 13 Benghazi's with 320 casualties and he lied 935 times, but that wasn't so controversial to you and your pals at Faux Noise.

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while you're at it where is you concern for the 1600 people that died yesterday from drunk drivers?
It's all Obama's fault...you know...the black guy who is the president of the United States?.... :roll:

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I really think you need to go to russia and give support to your buddy the leaker, you both hate the usa...

I think Snowden's a chump. He's a Ron Paul supporter, just like his pal Peter Theil (Ron Paul's top campaign financier and consultant) who is the person who is responsible for the NSA's internet and phone spying program.

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...and in your case you need psychiatric help. If you hadn't noticed this is now.


It's funny how your response to me for turning the tables back on you're phony controversy commentary with something significantly worse is purely a defensive posture.


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Better go spread your racial epithets to congress as they voted on the war, you really need to be banned for spreading all your crap, while you're at it where is you concern for the 1600 people that died yesterday from drunk drivers? I really think you need to go to russia and give support to your buddy the leaker, you both hate the usa and in your case you need psychiatric help. If you hadn't noticed this is now.

Kinda harsh, don't ya think BS? Your not even trying to change his/peoples minds. Do you always pile on the hate rhetoric of "I am right, you are wrong" Tea bagger shtick? Name calling don't help at all. SB has the same rights as you to express his political outlook, doesn't he? Or are you just frustrated because everyone doesn't follow your party blindly, like you want them to? Your statement sounds like those old straight dudes back in the 60's that said America-Love it or Leave it. If your not on my side your a commie, pinko, etcetera. If Watergate hadn't been "leaked" Nixon would still be king, given half a chance. So, just because the Prez thinks this is espionage, you agree with him then? Your really "for" something Obama did or said? That's what it sounds like. Your backin' the Prez on this one then? :?

Do you know what a racial epithet* is? What he's sayin' isn't. He's basically sayin' that all this hate coming from the right is race motivated, that's all. If it wasn't true the Tea baggers wouldn't feel the need to shout everything non T-bag down, would they now?
I felt a lot of hate towards LBJ, but it was tempered with the knowledge that he was really trying to do the right thing. He had started a lot of good programs for the people and his civil rights legislation was right for the times. He was wrong about 'Nam of course. But nobody's politics are perfect to everyone else's are they?

You catch more fly's with honey than vinegar. Just sayin' bro'. :|

* The only good N____ is a dead N____! That's a racial epithet. It's a slur in most cases. I don't see that here. imo

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I've had it with the creep, he calls people nazis, kkk members, and engages in race bating times ten. And all that with no clear focus, just a terminal case of rectal sightis. snivel about it.

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I've had it with the creep, he calls people nazis, kkk members, and engages in race bating times ten. And all that with no clear focus, just a terminal case of rectal sightis. snivel about it.

I thought you were really tryin' to talk to the guy. I know SB has gotten a little Baddy on us, but that's his trip, so I let it go. Besides, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile. B-cool bro'. :wink:

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BS , I've come to the conclusion that most libs and dems on this forum , and in this country , are just regurgitating things in order to ' fit in '.

If some had a clue , it would be evident in their posts. The same people that railed against the Reps while they were in power , are completely complacent when a Dem does the same , or worse. An example would be Obama's escalated drone war. Hardly a peep. Another example would be Bushs' Patriot Act pushed even farther under Obama.
Hear any Dems complain ?

Let's face it , both parties are corrupt , but when one party passes laws just to increase its voter base ( Amnesty & Doma ) , it clearly shows a power hungry party.

All this crap about race is just that. Nobody gives a shit about it anymore , but if you don't like the Democratic Party , you are instantly marked as a racist , because that's the new/old guilt trip talking point. If you don't like the currant administrations actions with the IRS or the NSA , you must be a traitor AND a racist. :roll:

Face it , any party that targets others that don't think the same , is power hungry.


Goodbye America , it's sad to think what should have been. :cry:


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BS , I've come to the conclusion that most libs and dems on this forum , and in this country , are just regurgitating things in order to ' fit in '.

If some had a clue , it would be evident in their posts. The same people that railed against the Reps while they were in power , are completely complacent when a Dem does the same , or worse. An example would be Obama's escalated drone war. Hardly a peep. Another example would be Bushs' Patriot Act pushed even farther under Obama.
Hear any Dems complain ?

Let's face it , both parties are corrupt , but when one party passes laws just to increase its voter base ( Amnesty & Doma ) , it clearly shows a power hungry party.

All this crap about race is just that. Nobody gives a shit about it anymore , but if you don't like the Democratic Party , you are instantly marked as a racist , because that's the new/old guilt trip talking point. If you don't like the currant administrations actions with the IRS or the NSA , you must be a traitor AND a racist. :roll:

Face it , any party that targets others that don't think the same , is power hungry.


Goodbye America , it's sad to think what should have been. :cry:



Both sides suck and are just screwing us, I am neither Rep or Dem, I consider the Reps Fascists and the Dems Socialists... :P

I have found that the Dems are safer in office because of their incompetence, they are so divided they can not cause much harm and things will work themselves out as they have since President Obama has been in office... :idea:

The Reps are far to organized and efficient and can cause a shit load of trouble in a short period of time as they did when President Bush was in office... :shock:

The efficient Reps got us 2 wars, trillions in debt, crashed economy, government intrusion into our privacy, the list just goes on… :(

The inefficient Dems have got hardly anything done, health care which will turn out to be a good thing (actually people will soon realize we should have went all the way to single payer), everything has slowly been working itself out and we have had some unprecedented progress in equal rights for Gays, Pot seems like its next on the road to equality, and many other things... :o

It seems like the only bad shit that has happened is when the Reps get togther and try and repress and steal… :smoke:


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I have found that the Dems are safer in office because of their incompetence,


That made me laugh :lol:


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The Reps are far to organized and efficient


That made me laugh even harder :lol: :lol:


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Surrey couple charged in terrorist plot at B.C. legislature on Canada Day (with video)
RCMP say investigators outside the legislature on Monday recovered explosive devices inside pressure cookers similar to the type of bombs used in the Boston Marathon bombings

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^Dudley Do Right! In fact Dudley do very good. Did you see the rusty nail pix? Damn religious fiends, I wish they'd all go away! Huna-heh, hoy, hoy, hoy.
I'm very glad your RCMP were on the scene, a job very well done! Saved a lot of people from a world a hurt. Kudo's to the RCMP. Yay! 8) :D

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
I've had it with the creep, he calls people nazis, kkk members, and engages in race bating times ten. And all that with no clear focus, just a terminal case of rectal sightis. snivel about it.

I thought you were really tryin' to talk to the guy. I know SB has gotten a little Baddy on us, but that's his trip, so I let it go. Besides, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile. B-cool bro'. :wink:


If was going all "Baddy", I'd have a boner for Ron Paul and Ralph Nader. He spent nearly every post blaming Clinton, then Obama for everything Bush did. I ultimately questioned his authenticity because of his critical emphasis being mainly towards Dems, especially when the Reps controlled the entire gov't and singlehandedly got us into two massive wars, killed the economy, housing bubble, dot.com bubble, massive deregulation that led to the banks fucking everybody in the asshole and so on and so forth.

Regarding the B.S'er, he's just mad at me for pointing out that Bush had 13 Benghazi's with 320 casualties to Obama's one Benghazi with 4 casualties. Hardly a comparison, but the phony outrage is comical.

I have little trust for any politician, Rep, Dems and Independents. I trust my own judgment and only those closest to me. That being said, it's a vast improvement from the last guy who held office. Going from the loss of 800,000 jobs per month to solid jobs gains is a no brainer. I strictly operate on statistical analysis over emotion. It's easy for me to tell when people are just full shit.

The numbers still don't lie - http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES00000 ... w=net_1mth
...and that's good enough for me. If they don't like being wrong, fuck 'em.


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What do you do when the stats that you knew are messed-up by the people who have something to gain? The numbers pushers are subject to the same temptations as real people are. Juggling numbers doesn't make everything right. I believe we are slowly recovering. But I'm also cautious about those that would have us hurry up and repeat the same mistakes for the almighty bottom line.
The Baddy reference is for beating a dead horse. I know you think someone has to do it and you do help "balance the books" so to speak, by bringing it up. But when all the stats start to run together, it gets irritating or worse, boring. NBD to me, but I can see how it might bother others and not bring them around, ya know? You and DB going back and forth is like your ping and he's pong. Everything can become absurd real quick here in Zappa.com world, you know that. Go in peace Spacebro'!

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Numbers and statistics aren't all that exciting for many people. Those who have agenda to manipulate them, or cook the books so-to-speak, or use one set of criteria to back up a point, but ignore that exact same set of criteria when it doesn't back up their point are easy to distinguish.

And thank you KK! I'm glad that some people here show some class and are level-headed such as yourself. Actually, most people are cool here. There's a few douchebags and posers in the mix, but that's to be expected on an anonymous public forum.


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Egypt Pres Morsi removed to undisclosed location by military who say there will be an interim Pres appointed and elections to follow. Morsi can run again if he wants.... The link points to an article that says US Embassy in Cairo was closed Monday... and Tuesday ... and today...

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Egypt Pres Morsi removed to undisclosed location by military who say there will be an interim Pres appointed and elections to follow. Morsi can run again if he wants.... The link points to an article that says US Embassy in Cairo was closed Monday... and Tuesday ... and today...

In other words:

Military Coup in Egypt!!!

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http://www.aljazeera.com/ has links to live streaming internet and blogs all about Egypt's coup/revolution.

Morsi's hiding in the republican guard barracks. How come all these countries have republican guards? No democrats or independent guards available? :twisted:

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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
http://www.aljazeera.com/ has links to live streaming internet and blogs all about Egypt's coup/revolution.

Morsi's hiding in the republican guard barracks. How come all these countries have republican guards? No democrats or independent guards available? :twisted:



Because if you want a war for any reason or no reason, or even with an excuse, you need a republican... :mrgreen:


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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
SB has the same rights as you to express his political outlook, doesn't he?

Excellent question, KIIRK.

When you've turned into, basically, an advertisement for the democratic party and you constantly fill threads up with reams and reams (and reams) of political propaganda, have you possibly abused the rights of others and thus forfeited your own rights?


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you geniuses, ever read the pledge of allegiance? We live in a republic.

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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
SB has the same rights as you to express his political outlook, doesn't he?

Excellent question, KIIRK.

When you've turned into, basically, an advertisement for the democratic party and you constantly fill threads up with reams and reams (and reams) of political propaganda, have you possibly abused the rights of others and thus forfeited your own rights?

Thanx, I'm not for censorship of any kind, so the short answer is no. You have the right to refute and spew the opposite should you want to flog that horse over & over & over & over & over & over, until it makes you so crazy you just can't stand it anymore! That's the long answer too, I recon. :wink:

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you geniuses, ever read the pledge of allegiance? We live in a republic.

So that makes us all republicans, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk... :lol:

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Steve Vai: Passion and payoff

Most musicians have a moment when a song, a piece of music or the sound of an instrument hits them like a lightning bolt. It can lead to a career, or at least a lifetime passion for the profession.

For American Steve Vai, considered one of the best rock guitarists of the past 50 years, it was when he was just 5 years old in 1965.

"The moment I first saw someone playing it they were perhaps [aged] 8," Vai says. "The way it looked and hung on the body, the sound that came out of it when it was hit hard or soft, were some of the things that enraptured me. But mostly I immediately was instinctively aware of the infinite nature of the instrument."

That perception that the guitar wasn't limited to a few kinds of music is something that can be seen throughout Vai's career. Early on, he was recruited by musical maverick and eclectic composer Frank Zappa as the lead guitarist in his backing band.

On Vai's 1995 album Alien Love Secrets he even got his guitars to sound like horses on Bad Horsie, and like the voice of Venusian on Kill the Guy with the Ball.

So how did Vai get a guitar to sound like a horse? Guitarists take note: "You bend the bar down, strike a harmonic on the second fret of the G string, raise the bar and flex the wha wha," says Vai. "Then dip the bar back down, while vibrating the note with your finger so hard that your teeth rattle."

Vai still has the same view about the guitar. He believes there are still new places for the guitar to go in terms of sound and composition.

It really is a big deal, he says. "The evolution of the guitar, as the evolution of any art or anything on the planet, or anything in our solar system, or galaxy, is the way the universe infinitely expands itself and until the universe reaches its cosmic goal and returns to itself.

"There will probably always be someone who will take the guitar into a different direction."

But Vai's own evolution was more down to earth. Like many aspiring rockers, he started a band. He was 13 when he formed Rayge on Long Island.

"How absolutely cool it was to be in a rock band in high school," he says. "It was my favourite band I was ever in. We did everything together. There was a sense of brotherhood like none other.

"When you are in high school, you go through life experiences for the first time. Usually it's the time you start feeling independence from your parents. [There's your] first intimate relationships and perhaps heartbreaks.

"Maybe the first time experimenting with alcohol and drugs [or] first time driving a car. But being in a band, and having that camaraderie and going through that stuff together was glorious."

Vai had a second lightning bolt moment when he was a teenager. He met fellow future guitar virtuoso Joe Satriani, who would tutor him. "I was 12 and he was 15 . . . and being an older kid who could play the hell out of the guitar, he was scary."

But Vai is blunt about the impact of that first meeting.

"Joe Satriani has been the most significant musical person in my life."

Vai later studied jazz and classical music at the Berklee College of Music in Boston, whose alumni include Melissa Etheridge Quincy Jones, Diana Krall and John Mayer. The college opened him up to many more kinds of music.

Ad Feedback "I virtually lived in the music library, which was the place that I first heard all of the Beatles music, all of Stravinsky, Zappa, Maynard Ferguson."

At 18 Vai first worked for Zappa by transcribing music for him. When he turned 20 he joined Zappa's band. "The thing I noticed mostly about Frank was that he was always present. In anything that he did, be it talking to you, writing music, going from one place to another, his full attention was in it."

Zappa's approach to music also influenced Vai.

"When Frank had an idea that was exciting to him he just did it without any excuses, without expecting someone else to do it for him and without compromising his artistic vision. I worked for him for six years at a very impressionable age, so I just figured that's how you do it."

By 1984 Vai had built his own recording studio from money he'd saved from giving guitar lessons. "I purchased a house in Sylmar, California, that had a big workshed in the backyard. We were surrounded by a residential area and farms.

"I purchased what I needed to convert the building into a studio and scraped together whatever gear I could find. I rented the rooms of the house out so the *SPAM* could be paid and I could just build the studio. It took five months and when I was done I recorded Flex-Able."

Flex-Able was Vai's album debut and the exposure saw him working with other bands, as well as with David Lee Roth and metallers Whitesnake. "It was great to be a ‘rock star' in the 80s," Vai says.

"[Whitesnake frontman] David Coverdale was a wonderful guy to work with, as were all the guys in the band. I enjoyed recording with them and touring because I like their music, but I knew eventually I was going to move on and do the music that was in my head."

That album was 1990's Passion and Warfare. Vai melded jazz, rock, funk, classical and metal, and the enthusiastic response from the music fraternity, critics and listeners, secured Vai's position as a musician. It also got into the top 20 album chart.

"I was finally once again working on music that was truly compelling to me and when I got an idea for something I did not have to answer to anyone, I just did it.

"The amazing thing to me was how some ideas translated into music even more powerfully than I expected they would. That's the biggest payoff."

THE DETAILS: Steve Vai performs at Wellington Town Hall on July 18 and Auckland Aotea Centre on July 20.


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Lucky you! That's cool that he's playing your way, playin' your way...ting. Waiting for Steve. You'll be surprised! Lucky you! Did I say that? :o

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Bolivia 'could close' US embassy after plane incident

President Evo Morales has threatened to close the US embassy in Bolivia after his official plane was banned from European airspace.


The warning came as four other South American leaders offered him support at a special summit on Thursday.

His plane was forced to land in Austria on Tuesday after France, Portugal, Italy and Spain apparently barred it from flying through their airspace.

There were unfounded suspicions that US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board.

The Bolivian president blamed Washington for pressurising European countries into refusing him passage.

"My hand would not shake to close the US embassy," Mr Morales said.

"We have dignity, sovereignty. Without the United States, we are better politically and democratically."

'No reason to apologise'

His presidential jet was rerouted as he travelled from a meeting in Russia where he had suggested he would be willing to consider an asylum application from Mr Snowden.

The former CIA contractor is believed to be holed up at the transit area of Moscow airport after leaking details of a vast US surveillance programme.

Mr Morales was joined by the presidents of Argentina, Uruguay, Ecuador, Venezuela and Suriname at a meeting to discuss the plane dispute in the Bolivian city of Cochabamba on Thursday.

The leaders issued a statement after the meeting demanding an explanation from France, Portugal, Italy and Spain over their actions.

The US was not mentioned in the statement, but several of the leaders criticised the [North] Americans in comments after the meeting.

"If this had happened to the president of the United States, it probably would have been grounds for war," said Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa.

"They think they can attack, crush, destroy international law."

Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo told state TV on Friday that Madrid had "no reason to apologise".

He said airspace was never closed to Mr Morales' plane, saying the delay in Austria meant the flight permit had expired and had to be renewed.

France earlier apologised for the plane incident, blaming it on "conflicting information".

Demonstrators marched on the French embassy in La Paz on Wednesday, burning the French flag and demanding the expulsion of the ambassador to Bolivia.

Mr Morales' plane took off from Vienna on Wednesday morning and arrived back in La Paz on Wednesday night.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23190278

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