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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:49 am 
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edyrukidng wrote:
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I was stationed on a buoy tender "the Acacia", under that bridge on the Port Huron, Michigan side some 40 years ago when I was in the U.S. Coast Guard,,


I was on the Mesquite when it was out of Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin. Way before it's demise.




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I remember the Mesquite,, and had some fun, fun times in Sturgeon Bay,

had I still been around that duty area a few more months, I would have been at the scene of the "Edmond Fitzgerald",,



Technically we DID go out on that call. Nasty storm even on Lake Michigan. Worst I'd ever been in. We got turned back at the Soo once we arrived...oh well. You won't find us mentioned anywhere but official Coast Guard records but we went on that call. Wasn't til that song that I thought it anything but just another S&R. I jokingly call it my only claim to fame.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:21 pm 
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Plook wrote:
Unfortunately due to the Insurance companies refusing to offer compatible plans to meet the ACA requirerments these people will have to go to the exchanges for their coverage.


My insurance policy , tailored for myself , a late 50's male , does not include pregnancy coverage , breast examinations or pre natal care. Why should I be forced to pay for it when I will never use it ? ( Which I would be according to the most basic package. )

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The good news less than 3% of the population or 11 million fall into this catagory, also in the states like California that have their sites up and running like clock work, their new plans will be less than the ones they had and will have better coverage.

I think that number will soon include employees that have employer offered insurance.


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In the red states that refused to get on board, lets hope the Federal exchage gets up to speed soon... :smoke:


Yep , let s add about a thousand missile filed cars to that train goin down that track.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:43 pm 
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92 million buy jan1 2014, that is when the employer and union exemption, expire same deal, bottom line less will be uninsured, than before and the expense will fall mainly on income of between 50 and 80 k a year folks. If you are poverty level or lower you get it all. The basic layout of this thing is terrible. You are seeing Obama and his ilk at their best, the government knows best. Low information voters, thats what we have.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:34 am 
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92 million buy jan1 2014, that is when the employer and union exemption, expire same deal, bottom line less will be uninsured, than before and the expense will fall mainly on income of between 50 and 80 k a year folks. If you are poverty level or lower you get it all. The basic layout of this thing is terrible. You are seeing Obama and his ilk at their best, the government knows best. Low information voters, thats what we have.



Did you mean ' less will be insured ' ?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:41 am 
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uhhhhh, yes

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:28 am 
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Well, minimally, Obama care will get the technical aspects worked out and it will be better than our previous "insurance companies rule" health care system. Can we all agree that even though it's got problems it's still better than that? Is that common ground?

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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
Well, minimally, Obama care will get the technical aspects worked out and it will be better than our previous "insurance companies rule" health care system. Can we all agree that even though it's got problems it's still better than that? Is that common ground?


As far as I'm concerned, yes.

I would, however, think it extremely unlikely that it is "common ground" for everyone. The problem seems to me to be that many are of the opinion that you pay into insurance and then you get that money back when you need it, whereas I think the point about Obamacare is that you are paying for somebody else (as well as for yourself). This is not a concept that endears itself to many Americans, it seems...

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If people seriously believe that all the money they pay to insurance should come back to them, they really need a bit of education. An insurance company is a company like every other, and will be trying to make more money than they have to pay out. It's that simple.

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Caputh wrote:
Ronny's Noomies wrote:
Well, minimally, Obama care will get the technical aspects worked out and it will be better than our previous "insurance companies rule" health care system. Can we all agree that even though it's got problems it's still better than that? Is that common ground?


As far as I'm concerned, yes.

I would, however, think it extremely unlikely that it is "common ground" for everyone. The problem seems to me to be that many are of the opinion that you pay into insurance and then you get that money back when you need it, whereas I think the point about Obamacare is that you are paying for somebody else (as well as for yourself). This is not a concept that endears itself to many Americans, it seems...


You are correct my wise friend, but what those people who disagree with the AFCA do not take into account is that the people using Emergancy Rooms for primary care were a major cause of problems for health care in the US. Now that they will have insurance that covers it will relieve that massive drain on the system.

Also many of thye people being dropped by carriers are under insured and people complain that they should be allowed to choose their own insurance, but that does no good if they end up in a emergancy room due to lack of coverage and we end up covering, that is a huge current problem and what drives up prices. AFCA should see prices drop in the next 5 years drastically for most, those who were under insured will pay more and rightly so, I'm tired of paying for healthy peoples shit.

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Please consider this bit of information.

Auto insurance is mandatory in the United States. Driving without it can result in hefty fines , loss of driving privileges and in some cases , jail time.
It is estimated that 14% of those eligible to drive , do so without insurance.
Many of them are young people.

With that threat over their heads , do you think many will fear a 95.00 fine ?

What some may also be missing : The ' basic ' coverage that the AHC plan promotes covers me , a late 50's male , for pre natal care. It also covers women for prostrate problems.

Unless something very drastic in the evolutionary cycle happens , that is wasted money. You may not want to pay for ' healthy people's shit ' , but I don't want to pay for those that have chosen to be unhealthy by their own choices.

It is also speculated that even if the AHC succeeds , there will still be 30 million without coverage.

Your emergency rooms will still be filled.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:50 pm 
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Plook you are greatly misinformed time out check your facts.

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Current (9-13Oct2013) Pew Research Poll says "25% of Tea Party Republicans say there is solid evidence of global warming compared with 61% of non-Tea Party Republicans."
and only
"26% of total (both R's and D's) say 'it's just not happening"

I think this is great news.

It isn't funny that while dirt, oil, gas, uranium, trees remain finite resources ... solar and wind energy are not.
Yet we all seem to be fighting over the one and not glorying in the other...

BROKEN NEWS: 800,000 + gal oil spill in North Dakota gets ignored by popular media. Fixed pipe goes back online, yesterday, while cleanup continues.
How many spills will it take?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:01 pm 
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If people seriously believe that all the money they pay to insurance should come back to them, they really need a bit of education. An insurance company is a company like every other, and will be trying to make more money than they have to pay out. It's that simple.

Luckily the ACA mandates insurance companies must spend at least 80% of income on policy holders care, which helps with the gouging the industry has been doing.

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simplex II wrote:
BROKEN NEWS: 800,000 + gal oil spill in North Dakota gets ignored by popular media. Fixed pipe goes back online, yesterday, while cleanup continues.
How many spills will it take?



Your article missed this > Lightning Strike May Have Caused North Dakota Pipeline Spill, Federal Regulators Say


http://ecodistributioninc.wordpress.com ... ators-say/


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the irony is that a lot of our problems stem from an increased life span and yet we want to
make sure people are healthy so that they can live longer. and that we want to extend the retirement age and yet we need the old fucks to get out of the way so a new crop of young people can have the jobs. The solution is obvious. DIE! DIE! DIE!


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There's been a tornado in Wijk bij Duurstede, caused quite a bit of damage too!

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http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news/world-news/around-the-globe/secret-art-treasure-confiscated-by-the-nazis-discovered-in-germany-2200
“Secret art treasure confiscated by the Nazis discovered in Germany” in an appartement that was full of trash and pictures of Pablo Picasso, Henri Matisse, Marc Chagall and others. The inhabitant was the son of an art dealer who once held the images and said, that they had all been destroyed at an air strike in WW2. The finding was made by the german customs already in 2011 in Munich.

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pedro2 wrote:
Please consider this bit of information.

Auto insurance is mandatory in the United States. Driving without it can result in hefty fines , loss of driving privileges and in some cases , jail time.
It is estimated that 14% of those eligible to drive , do so without insurance.
Many of them are young people.

With that threat over their heads , do you think many will fear a 95.00 fine ?

What some may also be missing : The ' basic ' coverage that the AHC plan promotes covers me , a late 50's male , for pre natal care. It also covers women for prostrate problems.

Unless something very drastic in the evolutionary cycle happens , that is wasted money. You may not want to pay for ' healthy people's shit ' , but I don't want to pay for those that have chosen to be unhealthy by their own choices.

It is also speculated that even if the AHC succeeds , there will still be 30 million without coverage.

Your emergency rooms will still be filled.



Its a pool, thats what makes the price drop, you don't need womens issue coverage so you don't use it, other people don't use coverage you need, thats what makes it work. When the dusts settles the savings will blow peoples minds, that's why the republicans are keeping the ussue clouded... :smoke:


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wow YOU ARE HALLUCINATING Where in the hell do you get the info that gives you that notion, right now a guy making 24000 over 60 will pay 180 amonth with 6000 dollar deductible that is from their site, the sooner the website is up the sooner folks will see how high the rates really are, even low income will pay more only medicaid is free and they just lowered the qualifications for that how do you think this is going to be paid? Also lets say you are 22 again I didn't have insurance at that age so why not pay the 95 bucks fine? The law says ANYTIME you want you can sign on, so you pay 95 bucks a year later you get cancer THEN you sign up!!! flawed law thats the problem.

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People have different priorities, that's all. Many are freaking out over the 'un-american' taste of Obamacare. Many of those same people freak out over the slightest (imaginary) reduction in military spending. I have no fears of Iran, no fears of terrorism, why should I pay for the weak and frightened?


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Bigger and bigger government, this boondoggle is an economic nightmare , designed for votes, now get the 600 million dollar web site working so every one can see how much the working folks are going to pay, so they know EXACTLY what will happen to their income. We are living in a new age as far as having the Fed government tell us they know best. To many low information voters, tell ya what when congress and the Pres. sign up for obama care then i'll be happy.

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The exchanges are cheeper and will continue to drop... :smoke:


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:09 am 
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Not true I just checked again, deductibles are outrageous check fro your self , the site will direct you to the kaiser calculator, about 92 million folks wish you were correct, again check it out before you blather.

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To be honest, I don't understand why USA doesn't have a Health Plan yet.

As of last Thursday, my wife had a cataract surgery that would have cost me 3429$ (I googled it).
And she has another cataract in the other eye.
And when I had my heart stroke, how much would I had to pay ?

I don't always have that kind of money.
Glad to live in a country where poors can have the same service as richs.
At least, we have that.
Health is no laughing matter.

Is it because having a Health Plan for everyone sounds too much like socialism ?
(one of the worst fears of Americans it seems)

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It's bizarre, isn't it? My guess is the main people behind it are the ones who are now making a fortune with the US health care system, and they try to keep their income safe by calling health care "un-American". Meaning it's time for a quote from a film I've seen way too many times:

Mr. Green: But this is ridiculous. If he were such a patriotic American, why didn't he just report us to the authorities?
Wadsworth: He decided to put his information to good use and make a little money out of it. What could be more American than that?

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