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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:03 pm 
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It's bizarre, isn't it? My guess is the main people behind it are the ones who are now making a fortune with the US health care system, and they try to keep their income safe by calling health care "un-American". Meaning it's time for a quote from a film I've seen way too many times:

Mr. Green: But this is ridiculous. If he were such a patriotic American, why didn't he just report us to the authorities?
Wadsworth: He decided to put his information to good use and make a little money out of it. What could be more American than that?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:21 pm 
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Mij wrote:
To be honest, I don't understand why USA doesn't have a Health Plan yet.

As of last Thursday, my wife had a cataract surgery that would have cost me 3429$ (I googled it).
And she has another cataract in the other eye.
And when I had my heart stroke, how much would I had to pay ?

I don't always have that kind of money.
Glad to live in a country where poors can have the same service as richs.
At least, we have that.
Health is no laughing matter.

Is it because having a Health Plan for everyone sounds too much like socialism ?
(one of the worst fears of Americans it seems)

what is the income in canada that qualifies as poor? In the Usa poor have always had free health care, the new plan is trying to cover a group between poor and middle income, and this plan is ill conceived as a result all insurance is going up drastically especially in the obama care plan. If I had obama care right now I would have to pay 6000 dollars out of pocket before the plan kicks in !

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:40 pm 
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what is the income in canada that qualifies as poor? In the Usa poor have always had free health care, the new plan is trying to cover a group between poor and middle income, and this plan is ill conceived as a result all insurance is going up drastically especially in the obama care plan. If I had obama care right now I would have to pay 6000 dollars out of pocket before the plan kicks in !


Maybe the main difference is that our plan is not a plan covered by a multitude of insurance companies. It is a government's affair.
Those companies may be too greedy ?

There's no poor or rich here, only peoples who need to be taken care of sometimes.

With the time we spent in Hospital and clinics, me and my wife (and I'm a guy who'd rather endure some pain instead of going there-I hate those needles), it would exceed 6000$ by far. And we're not getting any younger.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:42 pm 
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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
Not true I just checked again, deductibles are outrageous check fro your self , the site will direct you to the kaiser calculator, about 92 million folks wish you were correct, again check it out before you blather.



Your forgetting the Tax rebates which can bring plans down to incredibly low numbers... :smoke:


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:54 pm 
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Of the U.S. folks posting here, how many are happy with their current non-ACA insurance and it's cost?

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i like mine, and have checked the site calculator if i were in the aca plan my deductible would jump from 300 bucks to 5000, ,and they are vague about co pay as for tax rebates that would be the subsidies they talk about the calculator factors that and tell what it will be. The deductibles are not part of the subsidies only the monthly bill, the lowest deductible i have seen is 2000 and up. You can play with the calculator with different ages and incomes and see for your self, but then we would have all know this 4 years ago if obama had not lied so last night he finally came clean, had these numbers been, told to the public I doubt this bill would have got through the senate, at midnight christmas eve. Face it nothing is free!, Looks like what would have worked was an expansion of medicare and medicaid, but the dems. wanted power and a fundamental change in our system, ie income redistribution . Term limits has to happen and supreme court judges need them the most !! States rights that should be the focus, Hell FZ fought the feds many years ago, he would hate this federal take over of our rights.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:18 pm 
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Anyone else like their old healthcare insurance?

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The Veterans Administration does pretty well by me. They helped my brother live much longer than anyone thought he would. It's straight-up government-run health care. It's not terrible and they seem very concerned about my health needs.

I'm just damn lucky, but why? To have socialized medicine for everyone we would have to stop spending all our cash on wars, and put a lot of insurance companies out of business. That's not going to happen.

Good for me that I spent four years in the service being a young jerkass. I had a great time and never got my finger out. Now I get some pretty good health care for free. Seems fair.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:16 pm 
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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
Anyone else like their old healthcare insurance?


Yes.

I especially like the freedom to chose what I want to pay for and who I want to pay.

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I have Swedish socialist insurance and I have $1000 deductible but my insurance is free, my wife's cost in the last year has been mid 6 figures and our share of cost has been below 10 percent, God bless socialism... :smoke:


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Plook wrote:
I have Swedish socialist insurance and I have $1000 deductible but my insurance is free, my wife's cost in the last year has been mid 6 figures and our share of cost has been below 10 percent, God bless socialism... :smoke:

Don't say that word here !!! :o
It is an American forum, you fool !

For a lot of them socialism = communism.
Keep it dark ! 8)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:07 pm 
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Mij wrote:
Plook wrote:
I have Swedish socialist insurance and I have $1000 deductible but my insurance is free, my wife's cost in the last year has been mid 6 figures and our share of cost has been below 10 percent, God bless socialism... :smoke:

Don't say that word here !!! :o
It is an American forum, you fool !

For a lot of them socialism = communism.
Keep it dark ! 8)


I'm all American, my insurance is socialistic, thank God...everyone needs this shit... :smoke:


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Sweden is NOT a socialist country. It's a Mixed Economy with a socialist prevalence in the mixture. Their health care is NOT free. And it's no surprise they have HIGHER unemployment rates than we do on this side of the Atlantic... :roll:

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
i like mine, and have checked the site calculator if i were in the aca plan my deductible would jump from 300 bucks to 5000, ,and they are vague about co pay as for tax rebates that would be the subsidies they talk about the calculator factors that and tell what it will be. The deductibles are not part of the subsidies only the monthly bill, the lowest deductible i have seen is 2000 and up. You can play with the calculator with different ages and incomes and see for your self, but then we would have all know this 4 years ago if obama had not lied so last night he finally came clean, had these numbers been, told to the public I doubt this bill would have got through the senate, at midnight christmas eve. Face it nothing is free!, Looks like what would have worked was an expansion of medicare and medicaid, but the dems. wanted power and a fundamental change in our system, ie income redistribution . Term limits has to happen and supreme court judges need them the most !! States rights that should be the focus, Hell FZ fought the feds many years ago, he would hate this federal take over of our rights.


Interesting rant. Better punctuation would have helped us understand what you're on about.

Any health plan which includes care for all the community, including the less fortunate, surely can't be a bad thing for a modern society?
Or does that make me a commie rat bastard? Oh well, I can live with that...here I can, anyway.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:19 am 
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The usa has had that for decades , called medicare and medicade.

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Plook wrote:
I have Swedish socialist insurance and I have $1000 deductible but my insurance is free, my wife's cost in the last year has been mid 6 figures and our share of cost has been below 10 percent, God bless socialism... :smoke:

care to explain that coverage

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Disco Boy wrote:
Sweden is NOT a socialist country. It's a Mixed Economy with a socialist prevalence in the mixture. Their health care is NOT free. And it's no surprise they have HIGHER unemployment rates than we do on this side of the Atlantic... :roll:


In fact their unemployment rate is almost exactly the same as the US. Currently running at 7.2% in the US and 7.5% in Sweden. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country ... yment-rate (October 2013 figures).
But perhaps the extra 0.3% in Sweden was caused by the health service.

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Unemployment in the USA is 13% you have to factor those who have stopped looking for work not just those receiving unemployment benefits, even at 7% we have more unemployed that the population of Sweden.

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Did you factor in how many have stopped looking for work in Sweden to their number as well? Apples to apples? I have not looked at the numbers, so this is a not a jab, but an attempt for an accurate answer.

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BRAVO, you're right to point out that the figures are only based on those actively looking for work (U3 figures) and that the U6 figures for the United States ( U6 = Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force) run at 13.6% in the US. The U4 figure (U-4 = Total unemployed plus discouraged workers, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus discouraged workers) is currently running at 7.7%.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

I have yet to find U4 or U6 figures for Sweden, however. Perhaps they don't give up as easily as the Americans? :twisted:

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My point is you can not compare obama care with what goes on in sweden, as the populations are hundreds of millions apart, as well as the tax system, most in the states do NOT like the extra tax for obama care; that they have been lied to about, had all the particulars been stated in TRUTH, I doubt the law would have passed. It took a misinterpretation of the constitution, by the chief justice to even make this a law.

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
My point is you can not compare obama care with what goes on in sweden, as the populations are hundreds of millions apart, as well as the tax system, most in the states do NOT like the extra tax for obama care; that they have been lied to about, had all the particulars been stated in TRUTH, I doubt the law would have passed. It took a misinterpretation of the constitution, by the chief justice to even make this a law.


I think you just summed up the entire history of of our great nation.

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
My point is you can not compare obama care with what goes on in sweden, as the populations are hundreds of millions apart, as well as the tax system, most in the states do NOT like the extra tax for obama care; that they have been lied to about, had all the particulars been stated in TRUTH, I doubt the law would have passed. It took a misinterpretation of the constitution, by the chief justice to even make this a law.




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Just got this from our HR Department. For you idiots, the XXX is the company I work for.



You continue to hear a lot in the media about changes coming to health insurance coverage, brought by the Affordable Care Act (ACA). The good news is that XXX is committed to providing quality healthcare coverage to you and your dependents and we believe there is great value in the health insurance options that we provide.

Effective 2014, you will only be permitted to opt out of XXX medical coverage if you are covered under your spouse/partners plan or eligible for coverage under your parents plan. You will continue to provide updated proof of coverage to waive participation. All others must enroll in one of XXX’s plan options.

Information on our 2014 healthcare plans will be provided during the benefits meetings held in December.

WTF!!! Seriously. What if there's a person in their early to late 20s not married and no kids and in good health that doesn't want to pay for health care? It should be their fucking choice and not be forced to BUY it. This is fucked up shit.

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now that Obama Care has passed,,
who wants to bail me out of jail ????,,,,

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