Disco Boy wrote:
The reason why certain people aren't willing to engage in healthy debate with me has nothing to do with what you think is my apparent lack of self-awareness. It primarily has to do with them not being able to construct a convincing argument to the contrary. And that's probably because they know I'm correct.HEALTHY!?
I guess that means a competitive
debate? A nasty one at that.
This is why you always lose. You are lousy at it because you lack the gift of persuasion, making a compelling argument. I couldn't see you winning a professional debate to save your life. For instance, quote:
"And that's probably because they know I'm correct." -- Josh
Good Grief! You just lost the world.None are so blind as those...
Uncle Bernie wrote:
The Self-Described Manipulative Shithead wrote:
Your "convincing arguments" in this case as in nearly all other cases reduce themselves once again to empty, irrational claims made with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
Nailed it there, Caputh.
Stay tuned folks...much more irrationality about to be displayed by Disco Boofhead.
Yet even MORE ad hominems and while simultaneously not providing ANYTHING of substance to contradict my points.
The Self-Described Manipulative Shithead wrote:
Ah, I see: So you have to have a nationalist, racist party in order to qualify as a conservative, like in Hungary. Otherwise you are a socialist conservative, liberal. Well, it's nice to know where you stand.
I think you'd better get onto both the parties concerned and Wikipedia, as both describe an awful lot of these parties as conservative/centre right/christian democrat/economic liberal
Cyprus: Democratic Rally "is a conservative and Christian-democratic political party"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Rally
Czech Republic: ODS "The ODS is liberal conservative,supports economic liberalism and is notably Eurosceptic. It is modelled on the British Conservative Party"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_Demo ... h_Republic
Finland: NCP The National Coalition Party (Finnish: Kansallinen Kokoomus r.p., Kok.; Swedish: Samlingspartiet r.p., Saml.) is a liberal conservative political party in Finland founded in 1918."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_Party
Greece: New Democracy. Hey! Wikipedia only describes them as centre-right. A pity Encyclopedia Britannica describes them as "New Democracy (ND), Greek Nea Dimokratia, conservative political party in Greece." http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... mocracy-ND
And even the Conservative Party in the UK are partly socialist. Wow! If only I had known!
But I guess all these articles were written by manipulative shitheads.
Basically, Christian Democracy, Centre Right and (Economic) Liberal have fuck all to do with Socialism.
The term "Centre" can be traced back to the German centre party, a conservative party and an earlier form of the Christian Democrats. They approved of e.g. the Weimar Republic originally, but wanted the monarchy back. When Hitler came to power, they approved of the (illegal) arrest of the Communists and Social Democrats and agreed to the enabling act, which brought about the end of democracy in Germany. The only people who voted it against it btw. were the remaining Social Democrats. The Communists couldn't vote as they'd all been arrested.
Therefore it appears that only in Disco Boy world does the word "Centre" on its own and in particular coupled with "right" indicate in any way shape or form an equivalency with the word "Socialist". Your "convincing arguments" in this case as in nearly all other cases reduce themselves once again to empty, irrational claims made with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
Edited to make it a little bit more clear.
No, it didn't work... and I meant clearer.
The FACT is, there are conservative parties in existence that are not centre-right or liberal/conservative. Most are, but some aren't. The Conservative Party in Canada or the bulk of the Republican Party in the US, are some examples.
While liberalism is certainly not the same thing as socialism, they sure as hell are RELATED - which is part of my point. And for you to even deny that is fucking hilarious. Your initial point, on the other hand, strictly stated that conservative parties ran the 3 or 4 countries I listed. But you mentioned NOTHING about "centre" in the title. This makes a BIG DIFFERENCE.
Also, thanks for owning yourself AGAIN. Because there are SHITLOADS of centre-right parties in existence that are a mix-mash of socialist/liberal/conservative beliefs/policies...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... by_countryAustralia
Democratic Labor Party
Family First Party
Katter's Australian Party
Liberal Party of Australia (Largest party)
National Party of Australia Austria
Austrian People's Party Bangladesh
Bangladesh Nationalist Party Belgium
Flemish Interest Bolivia
Nationalist Democratic Action Botswana
Botswana Democratic Party Canada
Conservative Party of Canada
Wildrose Party Chile
Independent Democratic Union Colombia
Colombian Conservative Party Costa Rica
Social Christian Unity Party Cyprus
Democratic Rally Denmark
Conservative People's Party
Danish People's Party Ecuador
Social Christian Party Estonia
Pro Patria and Res Publica Union European Union
European People's Party Finland
National Coalition Party France
Union for a Popular Movement
Movement for France Germany
Christian Democratic Union of Germany
Christian Social Union of Bavaria Ghana
New Patriotic Party Greece
New Democracy Grenada
New National Party Guatemala
National Advancement Party Honduras
National Party of Honduras Hong Kong
Pro-Beijing camp （pan-Establishment Camp）
Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong
Business and Professionals Alliance for Hong Kong
New People's Party Iceland
Independence Party India
Bharatiya Janata Party
Shiv Sena Indonesia
National Awakening Party Ireland
Muintir na h-Eireann Iran
Alliance of Builders of Islamic Iran
Combatant Clergy Association
Islamic Coalition Party
Modern Thinkers Party of Islamic Iran
Moderation and Development Party
Coalition of Iran's Independent Volunteers
Society of Devotees of the Islamic Revolution (Isargaran) Israel
The Jewish Home Italy
People of Freedom Japan
Liberal Democratic Party Jersey
Centre Party Lesotho
Basotho National Party Macedonia
Nationalist Party Mexico
National Action Party Mongolia
Democratic Party Mozambique
Mozambican National Resistance Norway
Progress Party Pakistan
Pakistan Muslim League Portugal
Social Democratic Party
Democratic and Social Centre – People's Party Republic of China
Kuomintang （Chinese Nationalist Party） Saint Kitts and Nevis
People's Action Movement Serbia
Serbian Progressive Party South Korea
Saenuri Party Spain
People's Party Sri Lanka
United National Party Sweden
Moderate Party Thailand
Democrat Party Turkey
Justice and Development Party United Kingdom
Ulster Unionist Party
Democratic Unionist Party
UK Independence Party United States
Constitution Party Uruguay