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Hello, how are you? i hope you are well. ive got a 'Torture Never Stops' Question. due to a HD prob i lost all the music on my computer, and a few FZ boots, (which im trying to rebuild up again) amonst them was a live "Torture Never Stops" (or could be Torchum) problem is i dont know what album this version is on? it's the one where he says " Now ladys and gentelmen for your dineing pleaseure" and dose the Mission Impossable theme about half way through. It's a Beauty of a version, and my collection wont be the same without it. im quite new to Zappa but, the Guitar on it, is got to be up there in his top solos! dose anyone know, what version it is? and do you agree?


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check this out: torture

sounds like it's from best band
includes quotes from:
hall of the mountain king (grieg)
chattanooga choo choo (gordon/warren)
i love lucy (daniel/adamson)
my three sons (devol)
mission: impossible (schifrin) and addams family (mizzy)






could be from torture never stops [212 shows]:

11-apr-75 bridges auditorium, pomona college, claremont, ca
18-apr-75 veterans memorial coliseum, new haven, ct
19-apr-75 capitol theater, passaic, nj
25-apr-75 nassau veterans memorial coliseum, uniondale, ny
27-apr-75 music hall, boston, ma
03-may-75 civic center, baltimore, md

20-jan-76 horden pavillion, sydney, australia
22-jan-76 festival hall, melbourne, australia
23-jan-76 festival hall, melbourne, australia
24-jan-76 apollo stadium, adelaide, australia
01-feb-76 asakusa kokusai gekijo, tokyo, japan
03-feb-76 kosei-neinkin-kaikan, osaka, japan
04-feb-76 kyodai-seibu-kodo, kyoto, japan
05-feb-76 nihon seinenkan, tokyo, japan
13-feb-76 wighalle, vienna, austria
14-feb-76 deutsches museum, munich, germany
15-feb-76 friedrich ebert halle, ludwigshafen, germany
17-feb-76 sporthalle, cologne, germany
18-feb-76 niedersachsenhalle, hannover, germany
19-feb-76 grugahalle, essen, germany
20-feb-76 cch, hamburg, germany
21-feb-76 vejlby risskovhallen, aarhus, denmark
23-feb-76 njardhallen, oslo, norway
29-feb-76 falkoner theatret, copenhagen, denmark
02-mar-76 olympen, lund, sweden
06-mar-76 jaap edenhall, amsterdam, netherlands
08-mar-76 palais des sports, paris, france
11-mar-76 oberheinhalle, offenburg, germany
16-oct-76 university of florida, miami, fl
24-oct-76 boston music hall, boston, ma
24-oct-76 boston music hall, boston, ma
27-oct-76 leroy concert hall, pawtucket, ri
29-oct-76 the spectrum, philadelphia, pa
30-oct-76 felt forum, nyc, ny
31-oct-76 felt forum, nyc, ny
31-oct-76 felt forum, nyc, ny
04-nov-76 capitol center, largo, md
06-nov-76 rensselaer polytechnic institute, troy, ny
07-nov-76 civic center, springfield, ma
09-nov-76 civic centre, ottawa, canada
11-nov-76 le colisee de quebec, quebec, canada
16-nov-76 maple leaf gardens, toronto, canada
18-nov-76 evans field house, dekalb, il
19-nov-76 cobo hall, detroit, mi
20-nov-76 public hall, cleveland, oh
25-nov-76 auditorium theatre, chicago, il
27-dec-76 palladium, nyc, ny
28-dec-76 palladium, nyc, ny

13-jan-77 falkoner theatret, copenhagen, denmark
21-jan-77 scandinavium, gothenburg, sweden
26-jan-77 olympiahalle, munich, germany
27-jan-77 philipshalle, duesseldorf, germany
28-jan-77 voorst national hall, brussels, belgium
30-jan-77 rheinmainhalle, wiesbaden, germany
31-jan-77 sporthalle, boeblingen, germany
03-feb-77 pavillon de paris, paris, france
05-feb-77 jaap edenhall, amsterdam, netherlands
06-feb-77 sporthalle, cologne, germany
07-feb-77 deutschlandhalle, berlin, germany
09-feb-77 hammersmith odeon, london, england
10-feb-77 hammersmith odeon, london, england
13-feb-77 apollo theatre, glasgow, scotland
14-feb-77 playhouse theatre, edinburgh, scotland
16-feb-77 hammersmith odeon, london, england
17-feb-77 hammersmith odeon, london, england
09-sep-77 state university, san diego, ca
17-sep-77 assembly center, lousiana state university, baton rouge, la
18-sep-77 fox theatre, atlanta, ga
23-sep-77 assembly hall, champaign, il
25-sep-77 metropolitan stadium, minneapolis, mn
29-sep-77 maple leaf gardens, toronto, canada
30-sep-77 cobo hall, detroit, mi
02-oct-77 washington university, st. louis, mo
17-oct-77 civic center, hartford, ct
18-oct-77 the mid-hudson civic center, poughskeepsie, ny
20-oct-77 music hall, boston, ma
20-oct-77 music hall, boston, ma
22-oct-77 the montreal forum, montreal, canada
24-oct-77 the spectrum, philadelphia, pa
28-oct-77 the palladium, nyc, ny
28-oct-77 the palladium, nyc, ny
29-oct-77 the palladium, nyc, ny
29-oct-77 the palladium, nyc, ny
30-oct-77 palladium, nyc, ny
31-oct-77 palladium, nyc, ny
11-nov-77 uptown theater, kansas city, mo
14-nov-77 the auditorium arena, denver, co
18-nov-77 the memorial auditorium, sacramento, ca
19-nov-77 maples pavilion, stanford university, stanford, ca
20-nov-77 the pauley pavillion, ucla, los angeles, ca
31-dec-77 ucla, royce hall, los angeles, ca

24-jan-78 hammersmith odeon, london, england
25-jan-78 hammersmith odeon, london, england
26-jan-78 hammersmith odeon, london, england
29-jan-78 festhalle, frankfurt, germany
30-jan-78 congress centrum hamburg, hamburg, germany
01-feb-78 philipshalle, duesseldorf, germany
03-feb-78 stadthalle, vienna, austria
04-feb-78 hallenstadion, zuerich, switzerland
05-feb-78 festehalle, bern, switzerland
06-feb-78 nouvel hippodrome, paris, france
07-feb-78 nouvel hippodrome, paris, france
10-feb-78 palais des sportes, lyon, france
13-feb-78 the ahoy, rotterdam, netherlands
14-feb-78 sporthalle, cologne, germany
15-feb-78 deutschlandhalle, berlin, germany
17-feb-78 falkoner theatret, copenhagen, denmark
17-feb-78 falkoner theatret, copenhagen, denmark
18-feb-78 scandinavium, gothenburg, sweden
19-feb-78 konserthuset, stockholm, sweden
23-feb-78 muensterlandhalle, muenster, germany
24-feb-78 rhein-neckar stadion, eppelheim, germany
25-feb-78 hemmerleinhalle, neunkirchen am brand, germany
26-feb-78 vorst national hall, brussels, belgium
28-feb-78 hammersmith odeon, london, england

22-sep-80 umrk, los angeles, ca
27-sep-80 umrk, los angeles, ca
29-sep-80 umrk, los angeles, ca
12-oct-80 johnson gymnasium, albuquerque, nm
16-oct-80 armadillo world headquarters, austin, tx
17-oct-80 convention center arena, dallas, tx
18-oct-80 brady theater, tulsa, ok
21-oct-80 the sam houston coliseum, houston, tx
22-oct-80 unknown, memphis, tn
24-oct-80 hartford civic center, hartford, ct
26-oct-80 stoneybrook university, long island, ny
28-oct-80 the palace theater, albany, ny
30-oct-80 palladium, nyc, ny
01-nov-80 palladium, nyc, ny
08-nov-80 ocean state performing arts center, providence, ri
10-nov-80 the coliseum, richfield, oh
11-nov-80 maple leaf gardens, toronto, canada
13-nov-80 stanley theatre, pittsburgh, pa
15-nov-80 southern illinois university, carbondale, il
17-nov-80 northrup auditorium, minneapolis, mn
22-nov-80 louisville gardens, louisville, ky
26-nov-80 the masonic auditorium, detroit, mi
29-nov-80 uptown theater, chicago, il
02-dec-80 moby gym, ft. collins, co
05-dec-80 berkeley community theatre, berkeley, ca
08-dec-80 arlington theater, santa barbara, ca
11-dec-80 santa monica civic auditorium, santa monica, ca

?a-sep-81 umrk, los angeles, ca
29-sep-81 civic auditorium, santa cruz, ca
02-oct-81 seattle center arena, seattle, wa
25-oct-81 fox theatre, atlanta, ga
31-oct-81 palladium, nyc, ny
01-nov-81 palladium, nyc, ny

02-feb-88 palace theater, albany, ny
04-feb-88 beacon theatre, nyc, ny
06-feb-88 beacon theatre, nyc, ny
08-feb-88 warner theatre, washington, dc
14-feb-88 tower theater, upper darby, pa
17-feb-88 bushnell memorial hall, hartford, ct
25-feb-88 syria mosque, pittsburgh, pa
28-feb-88 royal oak theater, detroit, mi
04-mar-88 auditorium theatre, chicago, il
09-mar-88 shea's theatre, buffalo, ny
16-mar-88 civic center, providence, ri
20-mar-88 fairleigh dickenson university, rothman center, hackensack, nj
23-mar-88 towson center, towson, md
25-mar-88 nassau colisseum, uniondale, ny
09-apr-88 le stadium, bourges, france
12-apr-88 deutschlandhalle, berlin, germany
14-apr-88 sporthalle, cologne, germany
19-apr-88 wembley arena, london, england
22-apr-88 carl-diem-halle, wuerzburg, germany
25-apr-88 falkoner theatret, copenhagen, denmark
27-apr-88 skedsmohallen, oslo, norway
01-may-88 isstadion, stockholm, sweden
04-may-88 the ahoy, rotterdam, netherlands
06-may-88 congress centrum hamburg, hamburg, germany
11-may-88 hallenstadion, zuerich, switzerland
13-may-88 velodrome, bilbao, spain
15-may-88 prado de san sebastian, seville, spain
17-may-88 palacio de deportes, barcelona, spain
20-may-88 le zenith, paris, france
30-may-88 palasport, udine, italy
02-jun-88 palatrussardi, milano, italy
09-jun-88 palasport, genova, italy

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 Post subject: Thank's slime.oofytv.set
PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:40 pm 
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Thank's for replying slime.oofytv.set, thats sound of you. thats a lot of tracks! and a lot of looking, i dident even get a chance to listin to the whole album, and dont even know the album title. I'l start with Best Band, and take it from there, i'l post a reply if i find it. Cheer's


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hi about that torture never stops with the mission impossable theme. sorry slime.oofytv.set it wasent from best band, (thats a two part one about 25 mins) this was just a one part version about 12 mins (i think?). Theres a list of the ones ive managed to check out so far below


(1976) Frank Zappa - The eyes of Osaka [192] (boot)

1978-03 - Zappa In New York

Frank Zappa-In New York-1978-cd 2

(1978) In New York [128]

(1984) Thing-Fish [256]

(1988) You can't do that on stage anymore Vol. 1 [256]

(1988) You can't do that on stage anymore Vol. 2 [256]

(1991) You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 4

(1991) The best band You never heard in Your life [256]

1991 The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life

(2002) OZ [192]

1984-Thing-Fish premix

1984- Thing-Fish

1991The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life

1992-Conceptual Continuity

991-As An Am

Frank Zappa - Buffalo (2007)

Frank Zappa-Buffalo-2007-Cd 2



But could be taken from....


1988 - YCDTOSA Sampler

1988 - You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol 3



Dose anyone have it who could tell me what one it is? or has anyone heard it?


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 Post subject: anymore help please?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:44 am 
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hi everyone, can nobody help me, find this live torture never stops? dose anybody know any, dates , albums, or samples? As fans of the great man (and theres a lot of you) someone Has Surely heard this track or got it i cant be the only one? okay one last shot, il get all musio with it. at the begining, it come in all brass da, da, dadada, (do, do (guitar soft reply! no tubeular bells, no piano solo) it a quite slow verion, frank vocals are soft and low (theres no shouting, no man screaming at all in the course of the track) it's stays on a pritty even score, flows from him vocal wise it' got quite blusey feel to it. the girl is moaning, rather than screaming, theres a long guitar solo, a bit of fead though it. Dose anyone know anything about this, or know anyone who dose. Thank's Silmey for the answer and info you provided, but it i need to work with a wee bit less. this song has been perform since 1976 - 1988, and with 212 from one tour and theres no chance i'll be able to hear every version ever performed. if i can find the track, i'll find the album, and that would be somthing. So if there's anyone , or you know anyone could you please post a reply, any futher help would be geat


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 Post subject: Re: anymore help please?
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hi everyone, can nobody help me, find this live torture never stops? dose anybody know any, dates , albums, or samples? As fans of the great man (and theres a lot of you) someone Has Surely heard this track or got it i cant be the only one? okay one last shot, il get all musio with it. at the begining, it come in all brass da, da, dadada, (do, do (guitar soft reply! no tubeular bells, no piano solo) it a quite slow verion, frank vocals are soft and low (theres no shouting, no man screaming at all in the course of the track) it's stays on a pritty even score, flows from him vocal wise it' got quite blusey feel to it. the girl is moaning, rather than screaming, theres a long guitar solo, a bit of fead though it. Dose anyone know anything about this, or know anyone who dose. Thank's Silmey for the answer and info you provided, but it i need to work with a wee bit less. this song has been perform since 1976 - 1988, and with 212 from one tour and theres no chance i'll be able to hear every version ever performed. if i can find the track, i'll find the album, and that would be somthing. So if there's anyone , or you know anyone could you please post a reply, any futher help would be geat



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 Post subject: Sorry my mistake
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Sorry my mistake, it put it here because im new to the site,

(IF YOU'RE NEW TO THE ZAPPA.COM FORUM, START HERE. You'll find some answers to many common questions about zappa.com, the Messageboards, do's and don'ts, membership details and more)

And it seemed like a good place to start, But seems nobody knows (Thank you slime.oofytv.set) anything about that song version (and a bit of piss taken, all in good humor though) i now wish i had posted it in a diffrent thread, can it be corrected? Sorry for the mistake :shock:


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 Post subject: none of these
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ive checked these versions so far, and it's any of them.

1976 - 10-16 - Coral Gables, FL 112.03 Aud teasea - 9.39 MINS

1976 - 10 The Torture Never Stops - Zoot Allures

1976 - 14 The torture never stops - The eyes of Osaka [192] (boot)

1978 - 02-18 - Gothenburg - 14.51 MINS

1978 - 02-24 - Eppelheim - 15.15 MINS

1978 - 08 The torture never stops - In New York [128] cd2

1978 - 14 The Torture Never Stops - Zappa In New York

1978 - 08 The Toture Never Stops - In New York - cd 2

1980 - 10-24 - Hartford CT - 21.12 MINS

1980 - 11-10 - Richfield - 22.26 MINS

1980 - 12-11 L-Santa Monica ~ Heavy Duty Judy - 26.35 MINS

1984 - 05 The 'torchum' never stops - Thing-Fish [256] cd1

1984 - 05 The Torchum Never Stops - Thing-Fish premix

1984 - 05 The 'torchum' Never Stops - Thing-Fish

1988 - 02-08 - Washington DC - 17.48 MINS

1988 - 02-28 - Royal Oak MI 02 - 16.24 MINS

1988 - 03-20 - Hackensack - 21.35 MINS

1988 - 04-19 London England 129.49 Aud (paraffin-lamp~walk)

1988 - 04-22 Wuerzburg 139.40 AUD (WIU2B)

1988 - 06-02 - Milano Italy 113'55 AUD ca - 4.56 MINS -
1988 - 06-02 - Milano Italy (Reprise) 113'55 AUD capal - 6.34 MINS)

1988 - 06-09 - Genova ~Lonesome Cowboy Nando - 20.20 MINS

1988 - 02 The Torture Never Stops - YCDTOSA Sampler

1988 - 16 The Torture Never Stops - You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol 1

1991 - 06 The Torture Never Stops - As An Am

1991 - 07 The Torture Never Stops, Pt. 1 - The best band You never heard in Your life [256

1991 - 21 The Torture Never Stops Part 1 - The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life
1991 - 24 The Torture Never Stops Part 2 - The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life

1991 - 06 The Torture Never Stops - As An Am

1991 - 16 The Torture Never Stops Original Version - You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol.4

1992 - 02 The Torture Never Stops - City Of Tiny Lights - Conceptual Continuity

2002 - 13 The torture never stops - OZ [192] disc1

2007 - 203 the_torture_never_stops-mfn - Buffalo - 2007 - Cd 2


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No worries i see this thing happen every day here :wink:
And who cares.
I asked a similar question as yours
Which concert was it that Zappa starts bobby brown with the lyrics "Ground Control to captain tom"
never found out i posted in a correct place?

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