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Status 10 July 2008:

Zappa forum: a complete waste of time for Thinman.

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Why do you have to share your boredom with the rest of the world and ruin a thread that may interest others with it? I don't do that to them silly forum games, do I?

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Clearly, you haven't read most of the posts regarding this before attacking me because if you had, you'd see that there is no consensus with regard to this. It's pretty much an even split of people on each side. I'm not going to waste any more space copying and pasting the pro-Dweezil or anti-Andre posts for you to read but trust me, I'm HARDLY going with the consensus on this one.

And regarding what I said about Seraph, he's proven himself to be nothing more than a ZPZ/ZFT toadie and deserves whatever insults come his way.

give 9t a break JAKE THE CENTRAL is peaceful but wise

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Arf you out of your fucking mind.

Whether we agree with either side or not, one's mind goes back a couple or so decades to when a member of the Van Halen entourage decided to try the same thing on with a roadie from a major English HM band.
The English roadie (with perfect teeth btw) was able to show the tart conclusive violence, and one would have had more respect if Andre, assuming his story is true, had done the same.

What I don't get is why Andre' insists, APART FROM WORKING, on hanging around at the ZPZ shows (like he said himself - he missed seeing Steely Dan who were playing at the same time) when he obviously is not welcome. Whether he was told or not is not the issue. It's clear that there was a shitload of bad blood and ugly history before any of this occured. If everything is so negative and as awful as he says then WHY on earth would he or anyone continue to subject themselves OVER AND OVER again to such a nasty situation? I mean, he returned the very next night... That's the only part of it that flags my stalker alert.

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Hmmm , maybe he was there , uh , I don't know , maybe...... THE MUSIC ???

Long shot , I know but........

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That phrase "hanging around at the ZPZ shows" is misleading because we are not talking about ZPZ shows here, we are talking about a music festival to which ZPZ was invited. So, let's approach this from the opposite side. If I had a band and it was invited to be a part of a music festival where many other bands were playing, who would give a fuck about whether or not I liked a member of the road crew of one of the other bands?

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The way I see it Barry, this should be a very dynamite show.

Okay smartass. That's the obvious jump to conclusions approach but if you read Andre's post he said he gave up the opportunity to watch Steely Dan on a different stage meaning to me he would have rather seen SD but opted for ZPZ. So he decided to "hang around" (since he was obviously not working so hanging around DOES apply) where he knew he could potentially cause problems. Sounds stalkerish to me, maybe not to you, but it does to me. And his bullshit "I had an all access laminate" excuse is lame. As a professional, you REALLY should ask if you can be in someone elses working area if you are not working there yourself. So he had an all access pass, does that mean it's cool if he goes and watches the bands get dressed in their dressing rooms?

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Let this fucker die.

There is no right or wrong in this.

Let it die.

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I have to agree on this point. I'm new here but I've been 'lurking' for some time and I've been somewhat dismayed at how much airplay this one topic has been getting. Which is one of the reasons I've been lurking and not posting. But it's Friday and I've gotten outside of a couple or so beers and got my gasmask strapped on tight and I'm ready to wade into the fray for better or worse.

I like a lot of music. I love Zappa music. I never got to see Frank but I just saw ZPZ in a crappy nightclub and if it had been any better I would likely have soiled myself. I like to talk about music that I like and, I'll admit, I'm prone to bitch about music (and musicians) that I don't like. And as I just said, I love Zappas' music. From the day that I tuned in 'Don't Eat the Yellow Snow' on my spankin' new am/fm clock radio I was hooked. Frank has long been on my list of 'People That I Would Most Like To Meet But Would Probably Gibber At Like A Loon On Amphetamines Until Security Was Called'. It's a short list that also includes Hunter Thompson, Kurt Vonnegut, Douglas Adams & Ralph Steadman so the fact that most of these guys are dead has actually contributed to the fact that I'm still enjoying my personal freedom and that my name is on very few 'Lists'.

So I'm kind of hoping that there's more going on here than vendettas, flames and general wankerlike behavior coz there's more than enough of that in the real world already. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own veiwpoint, opinion, obsession etc, but from what I've been reading so far there almost needs to be a new section/forum just for the rampant bitching. It could be called 'The Nursery' or something and when anyone feels the overwhelming urge to 'excite the excrement' as it were, they could grab a drinking box and one toy and go have a timeout.

So maybe we need more of 'Shut up and play yer geetar'. Or 'Shut up and tech yer geetar'.

And if I haven't already invited enough ire my way I better get some negativity in. The Eagles suck (Oh, do they ever), Springsteen sucks, Brian Adams sucks, John Cougar Melonhead sucks, radio sucks... rant rant rant.

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Miasma!

Amen. I disagree that there is no wrong or right but consider my dirt thrown on the lid of this stupid, ugly fucker's coffin. R.I.P.

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Guns 'N Roses, Metallica, Weezer, Gwen Stefani, Celine Dion, etc...

PLENTY more where that came from over here.

I have tried to read this thread maybe 3 times and I just don't give a fuck. Sorry maybe I shouldn't even bother to respond but this just seems so stupid.

From what little I could gather I too feel sorry for Adrian.

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'N then I might just Jump back on An' ride Like a cowboy Into the dawn to Montana

I wasn't going to respond to this , but the name calling called out my name.

I have worked quite a few shows ( w / full access ) where two great bands were playing at the same time on separate stages . THUS I had the opportunity to see one or the other . Because I liked one band more than the other , I chose to see THAT band. Gave up my opportunity to see the other band.

Did that make me a STALKER ??? Talk about a jump to conclusions What statement did Andre say to make you ASSUME he would have rather seen SD ?????

As far as your SMARTASS comment ... rather be that than the opposite

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This is all very intriguing. But us regular folks would like to not to see any of this. We don't know the full history behind it from your ZPZ blog. That is not to say it doesn't have merit. Obviously, this Andre guy has offended you and your family or exploited the music in some way. But, your e-mail, that was probably cc'd to your staff, made for an inflammatory situation. Of course, your staff was willing to defend your position. But, Adrien Belew should have been contacted by phone for your request to have him perform. A personal conversation always works out better and I'm sure there would have been an understanding of your enthusiasm with having him participate in the show yet also having your reservations about Andre. Those situations rarely work out in the e-mail forum as it is always hard to decipher where one is coming from.

Enough of me and my lecturing tone. Shut Up and play your Guitar. See you at the Hampton Beach Casino on Wednesday.

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That wasn't "name calling". Trust me. Your reply was a very smart-assed, sarcastic one, was it not?



So far we've established that you are a roadie type.



Ummm... okay.



If you went to see a band who clearly had issues with you because your band profited from covering their deceased father's songs AND they also had a long (see "bad") history with you, including lawsuits AND you still insisted on hanging around in the crew area while the crew WAS WORKING (see "childish" and "unprofessional") because you have THE ALL ACCESS PASS (see "false sense of entitlement") then YES, I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WERE THE OBSESSIVE STALKER TYPE.




Read his original post. You should be able to find it there.



As would I.

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You're too late Immersive, he's married.

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Immersive wrote:


Man, your posts are waaaaaaaaaay too long. It took me forever to read it all the way through. About halfway I realised that you'd repeated yourself a couple of times but I slogged through the rest to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Stop beating about the bush; what's yer point?

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When the going gets weird the weird turn pro - HST

Miasma!

AH HA! Caught you plagarizing Help, I'm A Rock! Another one outed.

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Stay with me flagrantly and we'll have ecstasy for all eternity.

I was waiting for that.....

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