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Shark_Barker · **Joined:** Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:17 pm **Posts:** 379

Come now, Isaac...you know the accusing tongue is often the guilty tongue.

Let's examine the recent thread by rumour man entitled "Zeitgeist".

http://www.zappa.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15118

You and rumour man got into it pretty quick. All I really did was ask for solid evidence proving the official story, since you kept hollering about how we presented no evidence whatsoever of an inside job, even though link after link contained ample cause for suspicion on the matter.

Then you went ape-shit and posted photos of your sex toys, implying that I was akin to them. Here's a quote taken from that post:

"WHERE'S THE HARD EVIDENCE PROVING THAT THE GOVERNMENT PLANNED 9/11, YOU COD-CHEWING INBRED FUCKTARD?"

It was around this time that I suggested that you were using the tactics of known fascists. I didn't say you were a fascist, I said you were behaving as one. You see the difference, I'm sure.

Eventually, you posted some material you claimed as evidence for the official story, but it was mostly the same old mainstream government approved jive that we've been looking at for years. The mob that runs this country is going to have a cover story, of course. To present the cover story as evidence that the cover story is true is just lame...but then you went on to associate truthers with Nazis, and to boldy print that 9/11 truth was an extension of holocaust denial.

Quite desperate, I must say. I think you'd be hard pressed to find any instance where I personally labeled anyone anything. Sure, maybe after I was attacked, but even then I tend to say things like "people of this mindset are fools" or "what you said was nonsensical". Even Help can see that there's a big difference betqween statements like those and statements like "you are a fucktard".

So, folks like Isaac drink the government Kool-Aid. I don't. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, either...I'm just interested in facts. I'm not the kind of dolt that lets the government tell me what happened. Elements of the government wanted this, and they made it happen...that's my take on this, and I'm not alone by a longshot. Just because I think 9/11 was an inside job does not mean I think Bigfoot is real, or that aliens control the Earth.

So, why get angry? You asked for proof, and we provided tons of it. You didn't even look, as far as I can tell. We asked for proof, and you tried to spoon-feed us the same old official pabulum that you and much of the rest of the population ingests with gusto. Sorry that we puked it up.

It means nothing, Isaac...but don't go on like you're an innocent lamb. If you want to kick someone, don't go crying when you get kicked back.

Lumpy Gravy · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:22 pm

Isaac wrote:

95% of the world does not believe that the government planned/executed 9/11, largely because there is absolutely no evidence to prove such claims.

"largely because"? what's the other reason?

and, where did you get the "95%" from, anyway?

jimmie d killed the forum · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:37 pm

Lumpy Gravy wrote:

BBP wrote:

You're nothing but a whino.

Did you mean: wino

No. She meant: whiner

Lumpy Gravy · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:00 pm

jimmie d killed the forum wrote:

No. She meant: whiner

so, why didn't she just say that then?

Isaac · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:04 pm

Shark_Barker wrote:

Come now, Isaac...you know the accusing tongue is often the guilty tongue.

Let's examine the recent thread by rumour man entitled "Zeitgeist".

http://www.zappa.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15118

I asked for evidence from the both of you that the government planned/executed 9/11, and the only response I got was "SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUTT UUUUUUUPPP, SSTTOOOOOPID!" You have yet to provide one shred of legitimate evidence of the claims that you and other conspiracy nuts have made.

Now, I'm sorry that you are easily offended by a couple of minor jokes (aside from the fact that the 9/11 Truth Movement is the biggest joke of them all), but the claims you and others have repeatedly made over and over have been repeatedly disproven.

I posted evidence against these claims which you and rumour man repeatedly denied without providing evidence that either your own claims were true, or that the facts that I posted were untrue, and you are now claiming that the evidence that I posted is "government-approved jive" (WHAT?!?).

This makes you and others a very easy target for humor. It's as if you dressed up as Michael Jackson and repeatedly sang "I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles".

[size=0]Isaac[/size]

jimmie d killed the forum · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:13 pm

BBP wrote:

You're nothing but a whino.

Lumpy Gravy wrote:

Did you mean: wino

jimmie d killed the forum wrote:

No. She meant: whiner

Lumpy Gravy wrote:

so, why didn't she just say that then?

You wouldn't have heard her, so she wrote it.

Lumpy Gravy · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:19 pm

jimmie d killed the forum wrote:

You wouldn't have heard her, so she wrote it.

you know, you can say things in writing...

Lumpy Gravy · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:30 pm

Isaac wrote:

95% of the world does not believe that the government planned/executed 9/11, largely because there is absolutely no evidence to prove such claims.

Lumpy Gravy wrote:

"largely because"? what's the other reason?

and, where did you get the "95%" from, anyway?

so, where's your answer to this, isaac?

Isaac · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:38 pm

Just a little bit of exaggeration and sarcasm there.

[size=0]Isaac[/size]

just plain doug · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:46 pm

jimmie d killed the forum wrote:

BBP wrote:

You're nothing but a whino.

Lumpy Gravy wrote:

Did you mean: wino

jimmie d killed the forum wrote:

No. She meant: whiner

Lumpy Gravy wrote:

so, why didn't she just say that then?

You wouldn't have heard her, so she wrote it.

Uness she was making a pun on Zappa's "wino man". wino/whino

Help, I'm a Rock · **Joined:** Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1786

Shark_Barker wrote:

Ya know, all I'm doing is pointing out the pointlessness of this forum.

It might be one addict calling the other addict hooked, but that's how addicts are.

I'm a serious person, but I try not to take web forums too seriously. I really don't get what Help's problem is...I suppose he thinks harrassment is funny...and why Isaac can't disagree in a civil manner is beyond me...but, essentially I don't care.

Maybe y'all can justify the time wasted here, but I really can't. It's just kind of a morbid hobby for me. Frankly, I wouldn't have near as many posts here as I do if it wasn't for posters like Isaac pissing me off and my subsequent desire to kick their asses. I would really just like to have a calm, decent discussion on matters that I'm interested in, while also sharing some of my life with people that also dig Frank Zappa like I do.

But, that doesn't happen much around here, eh? Maybe it's my fault, but it's also the reason why posting here is such a waste. If this forum was full of the elevated kind of discussion Frank would have enjoyed, it might be well worth it...but much of this forum is insidious blather and childish banter.

Yeah, I'm an arrogant genius, and I really should put it to work elsewhere.

Yeah...our ASSES sure get kicked by YOU!!!!!

That's some funny shit right there, FuckShark.

Its AMAZING that I find the time to tickle your clit.....I've worked half a day, went boating, ate in a restaurant, came home and got stoned.

How in the FUCK did I work all that in?

Remember, I LIVE ON THIS FORUM AND DONT HAVE A LIFE.

So I must be a magician. A GENIUS MASTERMIND MAGICIAN.

Dude, you need to SOOOOOO fuck off and die.

Lumpy Gravy · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:50 pm

Help, I'm a Rock wrote:

.....I've worked half a day, went boating, ate in a restaurant, came home and got stoned.

How in the FUCK did I work all that in?

Remember, I LIVE ON THIS FORUM AND DONT HAVE A LIFE.

So I must be a magician. A GENIUS MASTERMIND MAGICIAN.

oh, jeez, you're such a busy guy, aren't you?

jimmie d killed the forum · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:53 pm

just plain doug wrote:

jimmie d killed the forum wrote:

BBP wrote:

You're nothing but a whino.

Lumpy Gravy wrote:

Did you mean: wino

jimmie d killed the forum wrote:

No. She meant: whiner

Lumpy Gravy wrote:

so, why didn't she just say that then?

You wouldn't have heard her, so she wrote it.

Uness she was making a pun on Zappa's "wino man". wino/whino

The pun is obvious; I just didn't feel like explaining it to Lumpy.

Help, I'm a Rock · **Joined:** Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1786

Lumpy Gravy wrote:

Help, I'm a Rock wrote:

.....I've worked half a day, went boating, ate in a restaurant, came home and got stoned.

How in the FUCK did I work all that in?

Remember, I LIVE ON THIS FORUM AND DONT HAVE A LIFE.

So I must be a magician. A GENIUS MASTERMIND MAGICIAN.

oh, jeez, you're such busy guy, aren't you?

Your pal SharkPuke stated in a post that you might have read, or maybe your mommy read TO you, that none of us forumites have lives.

Keep up!!!!

Try being the lead dog, the view is better.

Lumpy Gravy · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:08 pm

just plain doug wrote:

Uness she was making a pun on Zappa's "wino man". wino/whino

jimmie d killed the forum wrote:

The pun is obvious; I just didn't feel like explaining it to Lumpy.

you think I didn't notice...? why do you think I replied the way I did...?

oh, and there's a typo there in doug's post...

Help, I'm a Rock · **Joined:** Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1786

How do you find time for life?

Do you sit at your PC all day, on this forum?

SharkPuke says we do.

Everybody should post what they actually do in a day. That asswipe might be surprised.

Lumpy Gravy · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:14 pm

Help, I'm a Rock wrote:

FYI, I work all day. Have a kid. Have a couple cars, a boat, a motorcycle, and quite a few hobbies, including semi-professional shooting sports. A few babes that I see when I feel the need. I build computers as a side job.
I have two elderly parents tat I visit at least once a week.

I have time for every god damned one of them, you dipshit.

Judgmental as you are, you ain't no Judge Judy. And you sure as FUCK ain't no genius.

zombie1210 wrote:

I've been on the internet since the day after Algore invented it. I've been a member of over 50 different forums over the years, and I see the same scenario wherever I go.

Posts counts make blowhards think they are somebody, and newbies get treated like sub humans.

Members with high post counts think for some reason, they deserve more respect than members with few posts.

It a bullshit concept, and it iritates me.

So, soon I will start over. I want to be a newbie so the respected members can look down on me.

Shark_Barker · **Joined:** Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:17 pm **Posts:** 379

"A lot of posters here a pseudo-slaves to this nefarious virtual society, and many of them really need to get a life...a real life!" - Shark Barker

What makes you think I was taking about you, Help?

You're stoned?! Most people that get high aren't so angry. Do you use it for anger management?

We could all list what we do all day long, but how do we know it isn't a lie?

"Now, I'm sorry that you are easily offended by a couple of minor jokes" - Isaac

Calling someone a fucktard is not a minor joke, it's an insult. Why wouldn't I be offended? You're sorry I'm easily offended? How about being sorry for insulting me?

Isaac, you posted "evidence" and we posted "evidence". We rejected your evidence as the official cover story, and you rejected ours as conpiracy theory nuttiness. So what? Did you expect us to say "O yeah, you're right Isaac"? I've said before that I don't trust your sources...but I don't go out of my way to make fun of you because you trust the government and corporate media, even though it would be quite easy to do so. The reason why I don't do this is because it denigrates my position if I lower myself to mocking my opponent.

It's okay to disagree, but it isn't okay to sling individually directed insults at those we disagree with. We all have our points of view, and we should all be allowed to present them...but you can't expect to hurl insults and be taken seriously at the same time.

"Dude, you need to SOOOOOO fuck off and die." - Help I'm a Rock

Help thinks he's kicking my ass here, but really, he's just pissing on himself. Nobody ever wins an argument by telling his opponent to fuck off and die. It's the last resort of the desperate, and any casual reader can detect that.

I've already said it's a waste of time to post here, and I stand by the statement. So, maybe you're toilet is joyfully fresh...but really, isn't there something better you can do with your time than fucking around on the internet? It does seem to me, though, that if I wasn't here some posters would have little to do and no one to quote and insult. I'm making you happy, am I not?

Help, I'm a Rock · **Joined:** Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1786

You can be the Tidy-Bowl man!!!!!!!

Do you have a little boat?

:wink:

Isaac · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:39 pm

Shark_Barker wrote:

Isaac, you posted "evidence" and we posted "evidence". We rejected your evidence as the official cover story, and you rejected ours as conpiracy theory nuttiness. So what? Did you expect us to say "O yeah, you're right Isaac"? I've said before that I don't trust your sources...but I don't go out of my way to make fun of you because you trust the government and corporate media, even though it would be quite easy to do so.

I don't make fun of you because of the supposed "evidence" you post...after all, you provide none. I make fun of you because every time someone provides evidence contradicting your opinions, that person "trusts the government and corporate media" and their evidence is "government-approved jive"...you repeatedly make these claims that the evidence I provided is "corporate propaganda", 100% untrue, and my repeated response is to LAUGH AT YOU because of how foolish you continuously make yourself look by spouting such ignorant crap.

The majority of people AT THE SCENE OF THE ATTACKS did NOT see any signs of controlled demolition. Such claims are not based in scientific reality or facts. They are based in absurd, baffling exaggerations from deluded minds such as yourself, who claim that all evidence contradicting their claims is "government-approved jive".

Schmucks say the darndest things....

[size=0]Isaac[/size]

Lumpy Gravy · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:56 pm

Help, I'm a Rock wrote:

FYI, I work all day. Have a kid. Have a couple cars, a boat, a motorcycle, and quite a few hobbies, including semi-professional shooting sports. A few babes that I see when I feel the need. I build computers as a side job.
I have two elderly parents tat I visit at least once a week.

I have time for every god damned one of them, you dipshit.

Judgmental as you are, you ain't no Judge Judy. And you sure as FUCK ain't no genius.

zombie1210 wrote:

I've been on the internet since the day after Algore invented it. I've been a member of over 50 different forums over the years, and I see the same scenario wherever I go.

Posts counts make blowhards think they are somebody, and newbies get treated like sub humans.

Members with high post counts think for some reason, they deserve more respect than members with few posts.

It a bullshit concept, and it iritates me.

So, soon I will start over. I want to be a newbie so the respected members can look down on me.

Help, I'm a Rock · **Joined:** Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1786

Gotta love that guy....

Lumpy Gravy · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:09 pm

Help, I'm a Rock wrote:

Gotta love that guy...

and i guess, you gotta love jimmie d.

he exposed you as 'zombie 1210.' jimmie even sent me a pm, telling me how he had figured out who you really are.
and that he had sent you an email, threathing to expose you.

but, something happened along the way, I guess, seeing as what buddies you and jimmie are these days.

I still think you're an asshole.

Help, I'm a Rock · **Joined:** Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1786

Lumpy Gravy wrote:

Help, I'm a Rock wrote:

Gotta love that guy...

and i guess, you gotta love jimmie d.

he exposed you as 'zombie 1210.' jimmie even sent me a pm, telling me how he had figured out who you really are. and that he had sent you an email, threathing to expose you.

but, something happened along the way, I guess, seeing as what buddies you and jimmie are these days.

I still think you're an asshole.

Hello? Einstein?

I ANNOUNCED who I changed into. There was never any skullduggery involved.

Sure, Jimmie knew, and so did everybody but YOU, I guess.

Dude, you need to read the newsletter!

Lumpy Gravy · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:13 pm

Help, I'm a Rock wrote:

Dude, you need to read the newsletter!

post it again then, for all of us who missed it.

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