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You know, I think Colauita68 is just Schillmonger posting as his alter ego. I mean the guy gave us all someone else to roast on these boards. Even made Schillmonger seem reasonable (relatively speaking of course) by comparison. hhhhm.

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There is no way they are one and the same.
No fucking way.
Trendy is in his own fucking world.
Apples And Oranges.
And I honestly don't think Trendy could be unbiased.
Sorry, just don't see it happening.


It's still an interesting theory though - presenting an extreme anti-ZPZ opinion which unites the rest of us together in support of ZPZ? Think about it. We were all actually on Trend's side for once.

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I thought ZPZ was not that great myself. At the same time I’m not gonna sit here and claim all this bs about having access to industry–specific data and statistics and percentages of new fans, blah blah blah. To me all that is completely irrelevant, even if it was true. Frankly any of us can have access to that data if we try hard enough.

So now that we can't ask culauita68 about the data, can you fill us in? (And welcome.)

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You know, I think Colauita68 is just Schillmonger posting as his alter ego. I mean the guy gave us all someone else to roast on these boards. Even made Schillmonger seem reasonable (relatively speaking of course) by comparison. hhhhm.

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There is no way they are one and the same.
No fucking way.
Trendy is in his own fucking world.
Apples And Oranges.
And I honestly don't think Trendy could be unbiased.
Sorry, just don't see it happening.


It's still an interesting theory though - presenting an extreme anti-ZPZ opinion which unites the rest of us together in support of ZPZ? Think about it. We were all actually on Trend's side for once.


Bite your tongue, me in agreement with Trendy, never!
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What is the big problem with that colauita 68 guy? He has some issues
for sure. I’d start with recommending an AA meeting and he definitely needs to learn how to spell-check. And how to spell Colaiuta. But I’ve read his posts and his basic points are fine by me. I don’t see him insulting or slandering anybody. He said Gail was a great woman and he gives Dweezil a ton of credit for doing this. He was just so fi’ng emotional that’s for sure, all over the board man. But all I saw him saying, over and over I might add, is we have an opportunity to improve (?) and asked for suggestions. As goofy as he is, what is really wrong with that? Is that not why this forum is here? That said, there is a line between constructive criticism and constructive debate versus and just plain causing sh--, and while I saw nothing slanderous, I will say he crossed that line. Anyone agree?
I guess what I am getting at, as a new member, is the censorship concern. Was he banned for wanting to discuss ZPZ and not glorifying them? Or was it because he went about it in such a completely overbearing way, with all the business data claims, etc.? He was a di--head, but he did nothing illegal or insulting that I saw, only to people who insulted him first. He was basically a full of sh—blowhard, pretty harmless. I thought ZPZ was not that great myself. At the same time I’m not gonna sit here and claim all this bs about having access to industry–specific data and statistics and percentages of new fans, blah blah blah. To me all that is completely irrelevant, even if it was true. Frankly any of us can have access to that data if we try hard enough. But who cares? There is nothing anybody can say o do that will change what Dweez wants to do, and that is exactly how it should be. I’m not gonna think I am better than Dweez at doing this. This is hard music, it was just one tour, and I am keeping my mind open. I am sure they will keep getting better, and after a couple of more tours I bet that band will be totally scorching. There is talent there. I was at the Tower show and Imaginary Diseases and Cheepnis totally smoked. (I saw the Tower 2/13/88 FZ show as well, anyone else there? What a killer show.) So bottom line for me on ZPZ, I was disappointed, but there were some definite promising moments. It’s Dweez’s gig and I defer to him for his choices of band members and repertoire. I have complete faith that Dweez is the only person who can represent his father’s legacy properly and I give him credit for taking the chance with this. He knows he has a target on his back and a lot of people are going to be criticizing him. This isn’t the f’ing Police or Van Halen, this is Frank, so standards will be high. But he does it anyway and I am quite impressed with how he has handled everything. Very professionally, just like he handled growing up the son of a star. It is what it is, and I see them getting better and I will support the family morally and financially as I always have for over 20 years.
Shifting gears to more important matters, as a new guy on this forum, I am curious if anyone will be attending the Norfolk, VA or Asheville, NC shows. I am a D.C. guy transplanted to Charlotte. Secondly I am still a very active trader of live concert recordings. Is this a good place to try and meet other traders? Emphasis on trading of course, and I own all official releases. (Except Diseases and Buffalo – anybody have a review to offer on either?) I have a list and am hoping to forge some new relationships and swap some music. I’m pushing 40 and have been collecting FZ since the mid-‘80’s, I have about 800 hours. I love ’73 and ’74, I am still missing a handful of ’88 shows (like Grenoble), and will take basically anything I don’t have. I also love interviews. The only tour I caught was ’88 but am damn glad I did. I met Frank after the third Warner show and it is 2 minutes I will never forget. He said “the guitar that wouldn’t work” as he signed my tour program. If anyone was there 2.10.88, you may remember at the beginning of the second set his guitar was silent when he went to solo. Not once, but twice. I never did ask him if the guitar tech got fired.

Glad to meet everyone and normally my posts will be 2-3 sentences max. And who is Schillmonger?


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I thought ZPZ was not that great myself. At the same time I’m not gonna sit here and claim all this bs about having access to industry–specific data and statistics and percentages of new fans, blah blah blah. To me all that is completely irrelevant, even if it was true. Frankly any of us can have access to that data if we try hard enough.

So now that we can't ask culauita68 about the data, can you fill us in? (And welcome.)


Thanks. I was just trying to say how full of sh-- that guy was, making it sound like he was special for having access to "surveys" or whatever. I didn't see any survey forms at the show I went to. Sorry if I misled anyone. I have nothing specific to add on that, not at all. I was trying to say that if anybody tried hard enough, I am sure they could dig around the web and could probably find out ticket sales last year versus this year, or if there were any surveys done online and what the results were, but he would never give any web sites out. Just all nonsense. But like I said, to me all that is irrelevant anyway, its just more people's opinions. I say appreciate it for what it is, keep supporting them, be glad we have it, and leave it at that.


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it's ok to say "shit" here, really.


What about shithook?
That one ok too? :wink:

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jaypfunk wrote:
it's ok to say "shit" here, really.


sounds good. thanks for the info above re: zappateers. you looking for anything in particular? would love to get grenoble somehow, maybe cleveland if you (or anyone) have either of those.


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it's ok to say "shit" here, really.


What about shithook?
That one ok too? :wink:


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it's ok to say "shit" here, really.


sounds good. thanks for the info above re: zappateers. you looking for anything in particular? would love to get grenoble somehow, maybe cleveland if you (or anyone) have either of those.


"And that's the way it goes sometimes, you just might find yourself in the clutches of a, Shithook..."


Which Tour you speaking of for Grenoble and Cleveland?

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BillyDaMt wrote:
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it's ok to say "shit" here, really.


What about shithook?
That one ok too? :wink:


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Kinda thought so.
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You know, I think Colauita68 is just Schillmonger posting as his alter ego. I mean the guy gave us all someone else to roast on these boards. Even made Schillmonger seem reasonable (relatively speaking of course) by comparison. hhhhm.

*cue X-files theme. The Truth is Out There[/u]


There is no way they are one and the same.
No fucking way.
Trendy is in his own fucking world.
Apples And Oranges.
And I honestly don't think Trendy could be unbiased.
Sorry, just don't see it happening.


It's still an interesting theory though - presenting an extreme anti-ZPZ opinion which unites the rest of us together in support of ZPZ? Think about it. We were all actually on Trend's side for once.


Bite your tongue, me in agreement with Trendy, never!
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Folks it's not the TRENDY side of FranK Zappa.

Franks music speaks and you either get it or you do not. This Faker68 showed that he just does not get it. Some get it and some do not to loosly quote Joe Travers. I don't think this guy was supposed to get it. He's just a loser. It's his loss and that's just fine the way he goes arround talking all that crap.

I will gladly extend Joe's concept to how the ZFT deals with the artistic integrity of Frank Zappa.

Folks with the ZFT upholding Frank Zappa's Artitistic Intergrity You either get it or you do not. For anyone not to realize that the ZFT are the ones who should and are lovingly and faithfully upholding the artitistic integrity of Frank Zappa, in my opinion just does not get it and they are not supposed to.

So In My Book LOSERS.

Take a look at this Roxy/Overnight DVD that project is amazing.
I hope we can get one for Joe's Garage & Sheik Yerbouti.

Just wait till we get the ZPZ DVD and 2007 Tour.
Faker68 is a loser. He needs some amazing grace and I am not drinking any cool aid.

We can all agree or dissagree on any given issue and that is one thing that anyone with an open mind would agree upon. But fro anyone to say NEVER IN AGREEMENT. To not agree on any given issue just because of who is speaking is rediculous.

I had a boss one time if I said Black he said White.

This Boss did ask for opinions now and then so when I was asked I gave it, so I said started off the topic by talking about Black which happens to be the most popular and dependable trend in the industry. He never gave a responce as to his opinion of Black but always replied with a 180 and for this example he said White aan unpopular trend.

So, since he was the boss and brought up the topic of white, you know the unpopular trend I fugired we should talk about white. The Boss shows no interest in Black so lets talk white. So the minute I tried to discuss white when he asked me about white he changes the topic to Black.

He no longer was interested in White because he wanted to control every aspect and never let opinions be spoken. He was more about Authority than accomplishments of hsi team. He was so much a control freak that his project were rarely implimeted. He always talked about how everyone's opinion was important to make the project go forward because he was managing Network Engineers with over a decade of experience.

So since we worked together and had to accomplish stuff I would use my eyes and ears and only spoke my opinion if asked when given the chance or interjected on the bosses opinion when specifically asked given the chance.

Be it White Or Black some people have no skills for the job.
Neddles to say this boss was fired before his first review.

People should come here and have an honest opinion regardless of any previous statement by any forum member regardless of historical commentary.

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feetlightup wrote:
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You know, I think Colauita68 is just Schillmonger posting as his alter ego. I mean the guy gave us all someone else to roast on these boards. Even made Schillmonger seem reasonable (relatively speaking of course) by comparison. hhhhm.

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There is no way they are one and the same.
No fucking way.
Trendy is in his own fucking world.
Apples And Oranges.
And I honestly don't think Trendy could be unbiased.
Sorry, just don't see it happening.


It's still an interesting theory though - presenting an extreme anti-ZPZ opinion which unites the rest of us together in support of ZPZ? Think about it. We were all actually on Trend's side for once.


Well, I haven't been here too long, but I haven't seen a single thread where Schillmonger is not flamed altogether, let alone one finding folks siding with him. Finding a poster who is a bigger tool than Schillmonger was not easy. Can't be true. I think he must have been created. :wink:

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Glad to meet everyone and normally my posts will be 2-3 sentences max. And who is Schillmonger?


Schillmonger = Trendmonger. I coined the phrase as a result of his endless myopic posts in support of the ZFT, including their puzzling decision to put down all zappa related efforts not "approved" by them.

In short, he is a Schill for the ZFT.

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You can't say *SPAM* (=P-o-r-n) though, with is a shame for a Zappa site...


well, we all know the reason for that, don't we?
to block spammers who posted links to porn-sites, mikey put in a filter for the word porn...

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You can't say *SPAM* (=P-o-r-n) though, with is a shame for a Zappa site...


well, we all know the reason for that, don't we?
to block spammers who posted links to porn-sites, mikey put in a filter for the word porn...


yes, Obviously.


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The Black Page Part 2 wrote:
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Glad to meet everyone and normally my posts will be 2-3 sentences max. And who is Schillmonger?


Schillmonger = Trendmonger. I coined the phrase as a result of his endless myopic posts in support of the ZFT, including their puzzling decision to put down all zappa related efforts not "approved" by them.

In short, he is a Schill for the ZFT.


with you. will keep that in mind moving forward....


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BillyDaMt wrote:
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it's ok to say "shit" here, really.


sounds good. thanks for the info above re: zappateers. you looking for anything in particular? would love to get grenoble somehow, maybe cleveland if you (or anyone) have either of those.


"And that's the way it goes sometimes, you just might find yourself in the clutches of a, Shithook..."


Which Tour you speaking of for Grenoble and Cleveland?


I should have clarified - '88...looking for a trade or b&p. Speaking of Cleveland I am listening to the 11.19.81 show right now. That late segment of the '81 tour was unbelieveable. Drowning Witch>>Baltimore of course, but everything sounded so good. That band grew miles in a matter of about 6 weeks. Frank can do that to you. I think we'll see the same from Dweez as this goes on.


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The problem is not with the musicians. As Jim Morrison once said Fragile Eggshell Minds. Don't expect any kids to come away after one ZPZ show or listening to a few Zappa CDs to comprehend all that much immediately. ZPZ is planting the seeds propelry for anyone who attends these shows of any age. But you have to go to these shows with an open mind instead of being fillled with some E-Coli digestive dissorder. Most of the kids who listen to music today are filled with shit on the brain. Give the kids some time. My god you've been listening to Zappa for how many years and I don't trust your judgement all that much.

With all due respect, Jim Morrison was honked up on goofballs (or whatever else he could get his clammy hands on) most of the time, so I really wouldn't pay him much attention. The youth of today are not as fragile as you think, and are a strong independant bunch, they will make their own decisions as to whether they think the ZPZ line up is good enough or not. It doesn't matter what anyone does or says, no-one can be coerced into liking a particular band or genre, no matter who is in the line up. You can't please everyone and for the hundreds of people who loved it there will always be some that didn't, for whatever reason
I'm under 35 and I have never had the opportunity to see Zappa live himself. Apart from seeing The Muffin Men a few years back, ZPZ was the first time I got to hear his music played live and I might add, played to such a high standard, imo, that I went away very, very happy.

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I am upset each time I see a kid who has no brain and never opens his mind.

I don't really know what you mean by this. I read it as you saying some kids don't like Zappa's music cos they don't open their mind enough to be able to appreciate it? Don't know if I got that right. If I did get that right and that's what you meant, then I think that's a really unfair comment to make. I hate the dirge that penetrates our lives and claims to be "music" nowadays as much as the next Zappa fan, but I wouldn't condemn anyone for liking something that wasn't to my taste. The very fact that we have this excuse for music in society nowadays, just makes what Dweezil is doing with these young "unknown" guys in the band, more important.

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Plain and simple they are not reaching their goal, these musicans are not professionals and their window is closing. If you want to help us improve thois lame ass experience, then please feel free. Your enereguyy would be much more useful in that area.

I have to say, the people complaining here that there is a lack of "professionalism" at the ZPZ gigs really need to get a grip. Why can't these musicians be appreciated for what they are? Talented individuals who have worked their arses off to learn the music of Zappa to the best of their ability, and pleased many, many hardcore Zappa fans in the process. These people playing with Dweezil, and the many more "unknown" musicians are the very people who will shape the future of the music we listen to. Without them continuing the excellent standard of performance that they provide, the rubbish around nowadays would be more prevalent than it is now! Personally, I'd rather have new blood in the band, and I think Pete, Scheila, Aarron and the rest of the guys do a stirling job. All credit to them.

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MAN, You are comparing ZPZ TO THE ORIGINAL MOTHERS???!!! WHAT THE F are you doing? People had a hard time understandingt the Mothers because Franlk was a genius, the band was amazing, and they were years ahead of their time. Do you really, actually, after playing with your little pals on this froum - relaly think that is the case with ZPZ????? NO = these kids fully iunderstand what they are doing, and secondly the ZPZ band is not even doing anything nearly as sophisticated. So why make the analogy. Geezus h man. No, these kids are pissed because they pay $85-100 and walk away saying what the f is this guy or that that guy doing oin stage? They see much better quite often for less money. Or - whay is that druimmer so fing lame? Or, why was that good guotar player onbly on stage for 30 minutes? Those are the questions we are trying to prevent, and them bringing out a move screen., and haviong the same musicians, will only make that experience worse, for the kids that do go back, and where are we in 3 years? You get it now big guy? Do you finally understand that when a 28 year old walsk away saying that hhe bass player eats ass compared to some f'ing jamband, then there is a seripus problem here? These young kids are way smarter than you give tjem credit fopr, they are not comapring ZPZ to a jamband. Tjhey are expecting different - and better , anfd they dont get it, and they get pissed off after sheelling out their cash. Get it now big guy? My arm is real tired from wiping so many of your's asses pver the last couple of days with this. I feel like I am dealimng witrh f'ing preschoolers half the time. Geezus h, comparing ZPZ to the mothers ort a jamband , and actually having the audacity to suggest that this si why these kids are so pissed off. Un f'ing believable man.

I don't think that's what anyone is intentionally trying to do here. Personally, i'd like to know which bass player "they" would like instead of Pete Griffin, or which keyboard player they'd like instead of Aarron Arntz....just curious. I'd like a frank (pardon the pun) discussion with someone who thought Pete Griffins bass playing was "eat ass" (assuming I have taken that term for its correct meaning).
You mentioned in one of your earlier posts that there were a lot of reviews made where people complained about the ZPZ gigs....could you direct me to some of them so I can have a read, it'd be appreciated, thanks.



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this is soimply about young kids NOT IMPRSSEd by the level of talent for the money they are paying. Period. Got it now?

Could any of these young kids you speak of (undoubtedly, some would be of the same or a similar age that the guys in the band are) get onto that stage and play nearly half as well as they do? What kind of talent have they asked for?

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So please offer some suggestions to imprve this average experience. (If you have none, then please keep quiet and spare us the nonsense.

This is a free forum for us all to share what we think. Please tolerate that. Thanks. 8)


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out of all the new wave za-paq gfans here whot hink they know something, you are by far the most f'd up.

You claimed that the youth are important, and their opinion counts in order for them to be Zappa fans, remain Zappa fans and continue to attend ZPZ gigs. Therefore, that direct insult, aimed at a "new wave zappa fan who thinks they know something", on the official Zappa forum isnt helping your cause really, is it?

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Here is the deal kid - some people though they were good, others thought they sucked ass hard. It is that simple.

People really don't need to be patronised, you must have said "some people though they were good, others thought they sucked ass hard" about 10 times now, though I have lost count. Just because people don't agree with your opinion, it doesn't mean they are wrong. :lol:

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These disappointed results have niothing to do with these kids not understanding what they DO! It has evrything to do woythhn the fact they are not good enought o impress enough kids to get into tjhe mnusic. There is too much competiton for the arrogance being showed. They need to play. They need professional musuicans oiut there. Is that so hard for you to grasp? geezus.

These people are professional musicians. If the "kids" aren't impressed with that, then maybe Zappa and the standard to which these people play, really isnt their bag at all. I don't recall Zappa ever trying to pull in the crowds. If people liked what he did, cool, if they didn't, he did it anyway.

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These are non [rofessional musicans who have never toured, whpo are bei g goiven a job to repseresnt some very hard music, and they are not sdoing the job. As a result the zppa family is losing out on a greta opportunity to mazimie 9interest and leverage that into a new audinece.
Can you please, finally, see the diofference? Dweez has a glorified bar band out there hcarging $75 a night, I am seeing thousands of negative rrvoiews, from bpeople who more than understand what they are doing, and we want them to do better. Please get current eith your comments and keep it in a true context.

As I recall, Dweezil specifically picked these people for the talent they had shown. He reiterated constantly, througout the tour that he wanted new blood involved and thats what he got, via the band, who did a great job under tremendous pressure, and via the parents who brought along their kids to see the show. He's a smart guy, he knows what he's doing, and knew Frank better than any one of us here.

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So when was your first Zappa show? How many times have you interviewed Frank to discuss what he was after like I have?

I am aware that this wasnt directed at me, but is that so relevant here in this conversation?

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OK, so Im a total gonk for posting the above. I only read the first few pages and got so incensed, I posted my version of War and Peace before I realised the tool had been banned hahaha! Ahhh well. 8)

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Look Colaiuta68 why are you so high and mighty thinking you, Trendmonger, and your little secret society of FZ-appreciators in high places, should be the ones "helping" the ZFT get it right?! You never post on this forum, then you show up one day like your god's gift. Sounds like another Trendmonger to me. Listen to the words that Calvin spoke earlier in the thread. We've picked apart the ZFT's every move for the last 2-3 years. They've finally turned a corner in the right direction to making fans happy again. Don't come on this forum and start bashing DZ, the ZPZ core band, various distinguished forums, and whoever else, simply because you supposedly know what's right for the FZ-loving community. Do I give a fuck where you and your buddies work and how much clout you have? Fuck no. Nothing is wrong with the ZPZ band, they will continue to improve. DZ is doing the best he can. If kids are disappointed it's probably because they didn't really know the music anyway or really don't grasp what it's all about. 4-5000 new fans a night is all right with me. Christ, what you think Dweez is a miracle worker?



Who gives a fu-- about how many times I posted on this forum?? I forgot moree about Zappa than you ever knew, saw 15 shopws after the age of 27 (I dont count the ones when I was 10 like some people on this forum), I have interviewed aboyt 8 or 9 bandmemebers, I lived with one for a year, I still stay in touch with 2 or 3. I covered every tour he did from Beefheart through '88, 13 years on the road. And due to my present workload, I dont have time to hang out on this forum. So realize that this forum in no way represents the "experts", there are thousands and thousands out there who never even dial in. Because for every person like me, there are about 10 like my neighbor in jersey, who never, ever visits this forum, yet that guy knows more about Zappa than even I do. He saw every line up from the spring '69 MOI tour through '84, with the exception of the GW in '72. So please get over this bullsh-- about "regular" forum attendance. And how do you know this is not a new id for a very old user??? Dont be so f'ing stupid. And again, that is completely and utterly irreleveant. What is relevant is that I work in the industry, I directly represent about 750 people, I indirectly represent over 2 million. And you ashould care about that, if you cared about the audience growing as much as it could. And because of the fact I know FZ's material extremely well, am a long time supporter of the family financially, because we have a very long reach, and the fact many of those surveyed thought last year's tour bit dick, we are trying to create a list if ideas to help them out in '07. Yeah, they will get better - they have to. Question is how quickly and how many fans will they lose as a result. You seem to miss that whole concept . Believe me, they need the help, and they want the help. The power is in the numbers and the revenue they are not getting and the fan base they need to be reaching if they want the music to survive like the rest of us. So if you want to get involved and work with us then please offer suggestions. If you want to just feed people garbage like this then do it in private please. Thank you.


Dicksmack...what don't you get!? THEY DONT HAVE THE FUCKING MONEY TO GET EVERY PLAYER THEY WANT. THIS IS NOT FANTASY ROCKNROLL WHERE YOU PICK ALL THE PLAYERS REGARDLESS OF CIRCUMSTANCES
! Again with the"I went to a 100 Zappa shows", "I know more than you'll ever know about Zappa", Oh STFU. The music will survive regardless whether you save us all or not. Like so many have told you before: Zappa wasn't that popular when he was alive, why would he so much more in death. Normal day-to-day idiots don't get it. Do you really think the whole world will wake up and realize FZ's genius magically? Seriously stay the fuck off this forum, nobody wants hear your self-promoting bullshit. What makes you think if tou collect a bunch of ideas and brainstroms the ZFT will even listen to you? Answer: They won't, your opinion doesn't matter to them, and I don't want it to.

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...Pathetic ...


agreed, it's a fucking sad day when anyone gets banned...but maybe he's a happy guy now, on the day shift

the guy reminded me of a cross between the drool, clem & maybe a little white person on the side...see ya at the next zpz show mr. c-68




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...From what I've read on Arthur (I wish I could find the thread where somebody emailed him and asked him about it), he doesn't want anything to do with ZPZ...


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>from: 'arthur barrow' <bigear@**$#%&**.com>
>to: 'slime-o' <slime.o@¿£©¾®€¿.com>
>subject: re: dweezil's tour
>date: sat, 28 may 2005 22:25:39 -0700
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>not likely
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> >from: 'slime-o' <slime.o@¿£©¾®€¿.com>
> >to: 'arthur barrow' <bigear@**$#%&**.com>
> >subject: dweezil's tour
> >date: fri, may 27, 2005, 5:35 pm
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> > hi...just wondering, any chance of you hooking up with the dweez on his
> > zappa plays zappa tour?

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