If you want to pull in the girls just get Oprah Winfrey, Beyonce Knowels or Jennifer Lopez.
I wouldn't go see any of these if I was given a free flight to the USA, free tickets and a backstage pass, and unlimited access to Ed Nortons pant content. I'd rather lick a corpse.
The problem is not with the musicians. As Jim Morrison once said Fragile Eggshell Minds. Don't expect any kids to come away after one ZPZ show or listening to a few Zappa CDs to comprehend all that much immediately. ZPZ is planting the seeds propelry for anyone who attends these shows of any age. But you have to go to these shows with an open mind instead of being fillled with some E-Coli digestive dissorder. Most of the kids who listen to music today are filled with shit on the brain. Give the kids some time. My god you've been listening to Zappa for how many years and I don't trust your judgement all that much.
With all due respect, Jim Morrison was honked up on goofballs (or whatever else he could get his clammy hands on) most of the time, so I really wouldn't pay him much attention. The youth of today are not as fragile as you think, and are a strong independant bunch, they will make their own decisions as to whether they think the ZPZ line up is good enough or not. It doesn't matter what anyone does or says, no-one can be coerced into liking a particular band or genre, no matter who is in the line up. You can't please everyone and for the hundreds of people who loved it there will always be some that didn't, for whatever reason
I'm under 35 and I have never had the opportunity to see Zappa live himself. Apart from seeing The Muffin Men a few years back, ZPZ was the first time I got to hear his music played live and I might add, played to such a high standard, imo, that I went away very, very happy.
I am upset each time I see a kid who has no brain and never opens his mind.
I don't really know what you mean by this. I read it as you saying some kids don't like Zappa's music cos they don't open their mind enough to be able to appreciate it? Don't know if I got that right. If I did get that right and that's what you meant, then I think that's a really unfair comment to make. I hate the dirge that penetrates our lives and claims to be "music" nowadays as much as the next Zappa fan, but I wouldn't condemn anyone for liking something that wasn't to my taste. The very fact that we have this excuse for music in society nowadays, just makes what Dweezil is doing with these young "unknown" guys in the band, more important.
Plain and simple they are not reaching their goal, these musicans are not professionals and their window is closing. If you want to help us improve thois lame ass experience, then please feel free. Your enereguyy would be much more useful in that area.
I have to say, the people complaining here that there is a lack of "professionalism" at the ZPZ gigs really need to get a grip. Why can't these musicians be appreciated for what they are? Talented individuals who have worked their arses off to learn the music of Zappa to the best of their ability, and pleased many, many hardcore Zappa fans in the process. These people playing with Dweezil, and the many more "unknown" musicians are the very people who will shape the future of the music we listen to. Without them continuing the excellent standard of performance that they provide, the rubbish around nowadays would be more prevalent than it is now! Personally, I'd rather have new blood in the band, and I think Pete, Scheila, Aarron and the rest of the guys do a stirling job. All credit to them.
MAN, You are comparing ZPZ TO THE ORIGINAL MOTHERS???!!! WHAT THE F are you doing? People had a hard time understandingt the Mothers because Franlk was a genius, the band was amazing, and they were years ahead of their time. Do you really, actually, after playing with your little pals on this froum - relaly think that is the case with ZPZ????? NO = these kids fully iunderstand what they are doing, and secondly the ZPZ band is not even doing anything nearly as sophisticated. So why make the analogy. Geezus h man. No, these kids are pissed because they pay $85-100 and walk away saying what the f is this guy or that that guy doing oin stage? They see much better quite often for less money. Or - whay is that druimmer so fing lame? Or, why was that good guotar player onbly on stage for 30 minutes? Those are the questions we are trying to prevent, and them bringing out a move screen., and haviong the same musicians, will only make that experience worse, for the kids that do go back, and where are we in 3 years? You get it now big guy? Do you finally understand that when a 28 year old walsk away saying that hhe bass player eats ass compared to some f'ing jamband, then there is a seripus problem here? These young kids are way smarter than you give tjem credit fopr, they are not comapring ZPZ to a jamband. Tjhey are expecting different - and better , anfd they dont get it, and they get pissed off after sheelling out their cash. Get it now big guy? My arm is real tired from wiping so many of your's asses pver the last couple of days with this. I feel like I am dealimng witrh f'ing preschoolers half the time. Geezus h, comparing ZPZ to the mothers ort a jamband , and actually having the audacity to suggest that this si why these kids are so pissed off. Un f'ing believable man.
I don't think that's what anyone is intentionally trying to do here. Personally, i'd like to know which bass player "they" would like instead of Pete Griffin, or which keyboard player they'd like instead of Aarron Arntz....just curious. I'd like a frank (pardon the pun) discussion with someone who thought Pete Griffins bass playing was "eat ass" (assuming I have taken that term for its correct meaning).
You mentioned in one of your earlier posts that there were a lot of reviews made where people complained about the ZPZ gigs....could you direct me to some of them so I can have a read, it'd be appreciated, thanks.
this is soimply about young kids NOT IMPRSSEd by the level of talent for the money they are paying. Period. Got it now?
Could any of these young kids you speak of (undoubtedly, some would be of the same or a similar age that the guys in the band are) get onto that stage and play nearly half as well as they do? What kind of talent have they asked for?
So please offer some suggestions to imprve this average experience. (If you have none, then please keep quiet and spare us the nonsense.
This is a free forum for us all to share what we think. Please tolerate that. Thanks.
out of all the new wave za-paq gfans here whot hink they know something, you are by far the most f'd up.
You claimed that the youth are important, and their opinion counts in order for them to be Zappa fans, remain Zappa fans and continue to attend ZPZ gigs. Therefore, that direct insult, aimed at a "new wave zappa fan who thinks they know something", on the official Zappa forum isnt helping your cause really, is it?
Here is the deal kid - some people though they were good, others thought they sucked ass hard. It is that simple.
People really don't need to be patronised, you must have said "some people though they were good, others thought they sucked ass hard" about 10 times now, though I have lost count. Just because people don't agree with your opinion, it doesn't mean they are wrong.
These disappointed results have niothing to do with these kids not understanding what they DO! It has evrything to do woythhn the fact they are not good enought o impress enough kids to get into tjhe mnusic. There is too much competiton for the arrogance being showed. They need to play. They need professional musuicans oiut there. Is that so hard for you to grasp? geezus.
These people are professional musicians. If the "kids" aren't impressed with that, then maybe Zappa and the standard to which these people play, really isnt their bag at all. I don't recall Zappa ever trying to pull in the crowds. If people liked what he did, cool, if they didn't, he did it anyway.
These are non [rofessional musicans who have never toured, whpo are bei g goiven a job to repseresnt some very hard music, and they are not sdoing the job. As a result the zppa family is losing out on a greta opportunity to mazimie 9interest and leverage that into a new audinece.
Can you please, finally, see the diofference? Dweez has a glorified bar band out there hcarging $75 a night, I am seeing thousands of negative rrvoiews, from bpeople who more than understand what they are doing, and we want them to do better. Please get current eith your comments and keep it in a true context.
As I recall, Dweezil specifically picked these people for the talent they had shown. He reiterated constantly, througout the tour that he wanted new blood involved and thats what he got, via the band, who did a great job under tremendous pressure, and via the parents who brought along their kids to see the show. He's a smart guy, he knows what he's doing, and knew Frank better than any one of us here.
So when was your first Zappa show? How many times have you interviewed Frank to discuss what he was after like I have?
I am aware that this wasnt directed at me, but is that so relevant here in this conversation?