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Roots Stage 7:15pm - Adrian Belew
Roots Stage 8:30pm - ZPZ

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Hey there fellow board members. Could one of you kind souls out there in Zappa land inform me as to where I should direct an email asking for confirmation of the July 5th date. The dates have been updated since The Ottawa Blues Fest officially announced the line up, but July 5th still says TBA. I would hate to buy tickets and make travel plans and hotel reservations only to find out ZPZ will not be playing the Blues Fest. Any help is much appreciated. Thank you in advance.

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From Julie Slick (Eric Slick's mom, Belew Power Trio)


By now you also might have heard some exciting news about the upcoming Belew Trio tour. Such as the Ottawa Blues Fest on July 5, which not only features the Adrian Belew Power Trio but...oh my god...take a look at the other performers!

What is so totally cool about this date is that the trio goes on at 7:15 p.m. followed by...gasp...Zappa Plays Zappa at 8:30 p.m. I am so psyched it's ridiculous.

And now for some other really big news I've been sitting on - the Adrian Belew Power Trio will also be playing at the Quebec City Summer Music Festival on Sunday, July 6 and Tuesday, July 8, 2008. On July 6, they'll be headlining one of the smaller stages but on July 8, they will be joined by friends California Guitar Trio, Tony Levin, and Pat Mastelotto on the main stage, opening for Primus. Do you think I'm a little excited about that?

Oh...they are not on the website yet but I also have to add that on July 6, Zappa Plays Zappa will also be at the Quebec Music Fest but I don't have the schedule yet as to who plays when and where. All I know is, I am so, so there.


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I'm SO frickin' stoked.. I can't even bleeb they are coming to mine hometown! Not only do I get Belew & ZPZ on Saturnday but on Sunday (my lucky funday!) I get That 1 Guy and PRIMUS!! My head almost popped when I read the line-up. This is going to be one of the best weekends of my entire life... and I'm not even kidding!

See y'all there (here!) tomorry! Say HI! if you see me.. blond pony-tail guy wit de crab grass wearing a black ZPZ tee and crazy blue shorts.

Also, check out That 1 Guy on Sunday, if you haven't heard his stuff it's definitely worth a listen, very talented (& highly original) musician with a wicked sense of ha-ha. You can see a buncha his stuff on Utoob. I'm hoping to meet the man & shake his hand up a little.

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I'll be there. My only concern is that ZpZ go on at 9:30 and the the show must finish by 11:00. Pretty short. I guess the fact that Belew is playing before will make up for it.


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I am there. I can't wait!!!!


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Pretty bitchen night of music I have to say. Belew was great. First time seeing this band and was really impressed. The Slicks are incredible to watch. I kept thinking that I hope my son and daughter will be able to get along that well. Julie has got monster chops. Oh yeah, and Andre did an amazing set up and take down. I wonder if he saw the dweez backstage. I guess you could say that Andre opened up for ZPZ. Erik Slick snuck in a little quote from Andy.

Belew set it up and then ZpZ came on a ripped. The really large crowd was very excited and the band responded. Not my favourite setlist, but what can I say, these guys were hot. Travers was really on fire, Packard Goose shone for him.

No Belew ZpZ collaboration, I guess that's not surprising. They have another chance tonight in Quebec.


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Pretty bitchen night of music I have to say. Belew was great. First time seeing this band and was really impressed. The Slicks are incredible to watch. I kept thinking that I hope my son and daughter will be able to get along that well. Julie has got monster chops. Oh yeah, and Andre did an amazing set up and take down. I wonder if he saw the dweez backstage. I guess you could say that Andre opened up for ZPZ. Erik Slick snuck in a little quote from Andy.

Belew set it up and then ZpZ came on a ripped. The really large crowd was very excited and the band responded. Not my favourite setlist, but what can I say, these guys were hot. Travers was really on fire, Packard Goose shone for him.

No Belew ZpZ collaboration, I guess that's not surprising. They have another chance tonight in Quebec.

It has been alleged that Dweezil had a meeting with his crew on the bus, which resulted in André being singled out and roughed up by ZPZ crew last night at the Ottawa Bluesfest. Belew opens for ZPZ again tonight. Adrian is very distressed over the incident and may choose not to sit in for one song, as planned, with ZPZ tonight.

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Wow What a show. My first ZPZ show. The band was amazing. I was really hoping for a little more from Hot Rats but WOW!!!! Dweezil looked like he was enjoying it so much. I hope they come back!!!!


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That is pretty sad that you would put this on here. I don't care what you think of DZ, he would never push violence on anyone. He is very reserved and I take offense that you would infer that he would have someone "roughed up". That is pathetic, what are we in an episode of the Sopranos, just because he is Italian doesn't mead he is a mobster. I know there is conflict with Adrian but DZ would not result to violence over it.


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Pretty bitchen night of music I have to say. Belew was great. First time seeing this band and was really impressed. The Slicks are incredible to watch. I kept thinking that I hope my son and daughter will be able to get along that well. Julie has got monster chops. Oh yeah, and Andre did an amazing set up and take down. I wonder if he saw the dweez backstage. I guess you could say that Andre opened up for ZPZ. Erik Slick snuck in a little quote from Andy.

Belew set it up and then ZpZ came on a ripped. The really large crowd was very excited and the band responded. Not my favourite setlist, but what can I say, these guys were hot. Travers was really on fire, Packard Goose shone for him.

No Belew ZpZ collaboration, I guess that's not surprising. They have another chance tonight in Quebec.

It has been alleged that Dweezil had a meeting with his crew on the bus, which resulted in André being singled out and roughed up by ZPZ crew last night at the Ottawa Bluesfest. Belew opens for ZPZ again tonight. Adrian is very distressed over the incident and may choose not to sit in for one song, as planned, with ZPZ tonight.

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You could kind of feel a little tension when he was setting up. I had no idea that he was working for Belew, so when I saw him up there (it must have been close to 90 degrees on the stage) working his ass off I was a bit alarmed given the war of words. I really hope that the allegations are not true, but if they are these guys need to sit down and talk like freaking adults for fucks sakes. Grow up everybody. Sheesh...


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Andre sent this out as a bulletin on P/O's myspace page. I post this only in response to someone claiming definitively it didn't happen. I wasn't there and don't claim to have any opinion on the matter whatsoever, however blind faith rubs me the wrong way.

hello Friends....

Sorry -- this became kind of a long letter, but it helped me exorcise some real negative shit. It took me two hours.



I was working for ADRIAN BELEW, opening for ZPZ at Ottawa Bluesfest, Canada (Sat 5 July 2008)

Stuff turned REAL ugly.....

Basically---- one of Dweezil Zappa's guys, under his direct orders - threatened, pushed and physically attacked me.... !

For the horrible act of walking onto the stage to watch and enjoy the show. Really.



I should consider legal action actually..it was ...real ugly. real scary. I was shaking like a leaf... They have sued me many times, tried to at least. Should I return the favor? I ask your advice -- should I seek legal action?? I have countless witnesses, I was at work in a professional capacity. Canada law on this is actually quite bad news for someone who would want to work here again....I could cripple the Zappa family financially, real bad news since they are losing their shirts trying to do these tours, pay cuts, playing smaller and smaller venues etc isn't helping from what I hear.



Their Monitor guy, Dave, almost shoved me off the stage, a 10 to 15ft drop, so scary. Scenes of "broken leg in London Orchestra pit" may dance through your head......

These people actually had a MEETING on THE BUS...Tour Manager, Dweezil, crew, etc. Wrap your mind around the level off dysfunction -- to have a fucking MEETING about a guy you hate --- a guy who has never really done anything but piss you off for some reason. Imagine being so unprofessional -- and self-important -- to think that a HUGE festival, should do your bidding and ban people from public areas. I know - Unreal. - But -- par for the course in Post-Mortem Zappa-land. No surprise. Bullying at every turn.



After a meeting on the bus --Dweezil then demanded from the Festival stage manager (ONE HOUR before their show!!) that I would NOT BE SEEN by him (Dweezil).....!! he asked that he NOT SEE ME AT ALL, EVER, throughout the night. I can't wait to see when he delivers to the shocked people at TODAY's festival the same pompous request.



The incredible, pro stage mgr guy, Wiggy, from the Ottawa Bluesfest, ensured cooler heads prevailed all night. I hope we work together again.



Ok, Now, this is a GIANT festival with about 230 bands...11 days.... we are on a fucking SIDE STAGE -- and Dweezil DEMANDS of the festival staff- ONE HOUR BEFORE HIS SHOW - to KEEP ME OFF THE STAGE (even the side stage, monitor area, backstage, etc!!) and make sure he (DWEEZIL) NEVER SEE ME!!!! Can you even wrap your mind around that??? he wanted to CONTROL the attendance - at a public event he is getting paid to be at - of someone he is soooo pissed at. Unreal.



The (very cool) stage manager , when I asked him -- said " Dude - no, I have NO PROBLEM with you going into the AUDIENCE and watching them, front row, whatever. I just have to respect these guys and ask you to stay off the stage.

I wanna run a smooth show - I am here for 11 days, I have no time for issues"

As you all know-- I'm a fucking PRO, and I of course honored the request -- I stayed off stage. But this is after FINDING OUT for the first time....with the prick monitor guy SCREAMING IN MY FACE AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS -- SPITTING IN MY GODDAMN FACE...and pushing me backwards to the edge.... it was terrifying and I've seen a lot of dark shit in this life, trust me on that.



It was unreal. Surreal. The best part is -- before ZPZ played - BELEW played--- and I had met this very same guy - Dave - monitor guy -- and he was COOL!! We were rapping, talking gear, he showed me a pic on his computer of his guitar-rig..which featured the same amp that Adrian uses (Johnson JM 150), like good nerds we chuckled about that as well as his computer gadget his laptop sat on...some device with 2 fans to cool it off, blah blah blah. We talked about him being new on the crew, after I said "Napoleon says hi" --"oh no -- that was the old guy, I am new since last year, etc etc"....We talked all kinds of stuff -- later he claimed "Well I thought you were just acting like nothing was going on". Wow.



So-- SAME GUY turn into a RAGING PSYCHO 2 hrs later!!!! He literally almost pushed me off the stage and down some steps. It was scary shit. I can't emphazise that enough. I am shaking still, almost 12 hrs later as i type this after 4 hrs sleep.



I'm not easily shaken, you know that. But I drive 5 hrs today -- to another fest where ZPZ again plays right after us --- and I dunno how it will turn out.

I went to the monitor guy after the show and said "Dude, do you have something to say to me"??

He copped TONS of attitude, but I actually got him to begrudgingly apologize, I accepted it, kinda, since he claimed he had been TOLD by up to 6 people that I was FULLY INFORMED of my "persona non grata" status. Well- I wasn't informed.

The FIRST TIME I knew about ANY of this crap was when he violently accosted me!!

I think I will call the next P/O tour by that title. --- PERSONA NON GRATA.

how do you like it??

I feel extra let down that I wasn't warned, wasn't told. Joe Travers, the bass player Pete and other crew/band members said hi, some shook my hand, we rapped. I - as I always try to -- will give the benefit of the doubt that each person thought "Oh - I thought Someone ELSE told him". I feel sorry for these people -- including my hero Thomas Nordegg -- thee greatest guitar tech in the Solar System, who I had a lovely time hanging with all afternoon before I loaded in.



I feel sorry that they are all caught between the horrible pressure of being told to DISS ME as part of their job....and knowing me for years and knowing who and what I really am. Terrible - to put people in that position. But that's how tyrants operate. Pitting people against each other. It's worked for centuries. Check the history books.



OK. whatever. But does the 'adult' monitor guy need to have dealt with it that way??? Screaming at the TOP of his lungs, spitting his filthy fucking spit in my face, pushing me backwards in shock?? Later he even justified the screaming (!!) --- "hey my in-ear monitors were on". Yeah right. Any pro engineer knows how loud they are talking!! Ridiculous. Dude has major issues and I will make sure I deal with him today with lost of witnesses around.




Thank You,
André

Now -- I'm not gloating here but.......I'm The guy who, Unlike Dweezil Zappa, has shared the stage with more Zappa alumni and family than almost ANYONE BUT FRANK ZAPPA ..people like Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Candy Zappa, Ed Mann, Roy Estrada, Mike Keneally, Adrian Belew, Denny Walley, Don Preston, Bunk Gardner, Bob Harris, Thana Harris, Jimmy Carl Black, Billy Mundi, Ray White, Al Malkin, Arthur Barrow, Bruce Bickford and more.

Actually only someone like the amazing Ed Mann, Ike Willis, Scott Thunes or Chad Wackerman has been onstage with more people -- due to their LONG tenure in the band (over 21 years for Ed and about 7-10 years for Chad/Scott/Ike)

I'm not gloating. It's called PRIDE. I am proud I have dedicated a part of my musical life, just one part -- to paying back to a man who changed my life - Frank Zappa.

An amazing, genius man I was lucky enough to shake hands with several times, look in his eyes from 3 feet away, tell him a joke or two, walk up to at a concert and give a funny sign to (feb 1988 , wash DC) that made him laugh his ass off (cherished memory!! Making Zappa laugh!!! C'mon - can it get better??!!!)

A man who asked on his deathbed for people, musicians or not - to PLAY HIS MUSIC!! Frank asked for that -- I have always tried to honor that request. I am PROUD of engineering a SOLD OUT show at Irving Plaza, Halloween 2001, raising TEN GRAND for Prostate Cancer research (a show that owes much credit to my great management team at CEG Music in NYC and the great Matt Ross, now CEO of Paul Green School of Rock). I am PROUD of getting many , many alumni out of RETIREMENT and back onstage. I am PROUD of paying my way, losing money to go all the way to my beloved Germany, to play music and hang out with THOUSANDS of Freaks...at the Zappanale festival -now being SUED by Gail Zappa as well.



I'm proud of my work in this area. No one can or will ever take that away from me. Frank Zappa changed my WORLD at age 16.....and I am very very proud to have had the chance to meet most of his players, to call them all my friends to this day. I am proud to have his original family members as cherished friends. I say this not to impress anyone but to add perspective. No one reading this is unaware of the dark energy that has emanated from Zappa central in recent years. It's a thing of real concern.



PS: This is the core of what pisses them off. They have BURNT EVERY BRIDGE with most of the Zappa alumni and family -- and they hate themselves for it. They know they've BLOWN IT and insulted Frank's Legacy. They know they can NEVER turn back -- can never celebrate his deep kinship with so, so many people.



They know that Musicians they have sued, dissed in the press, not paid, ignored as they stood in the audience at ZPZ shows...won't take that crap and will not ever work with them. I have kept silent about THAT part of things for YEARS...but being physically threatened by Dweezil's crew CROSSES A LINE that I can never go back over. Sorry, Dweezil. You should have thought about your actions. Right now they are in court with the ZAPPANALE...they have sent cease and desist letters to Bogus Pomp and other bands, they keep going after the Grandmothers...suing TV stations....it doesn't end with me -- and that's how I sleep at night -- IT'S NOT JUST ME!!!

As peaceful as a person as I am----I cannot sit by with this crap - It's been OVER TEN YEARS of attacks, insulting emails from Gail, LAWSUIT THREATS, threats to some alumni who play with us, falsified, libelous letters from ASCAP/, and watching the SAME happen to many friends and colleagues WORLDWIDE. It's scary, downright scary. The "Zappa" "Family" feels it can just go around suing, attacking, and trying to squash the truth -- but reality and truth have a way of bubbling up.



Why has EVERY SINGLE LAWSUIT filed against me by Gail Zappa been thrown out ?? Why did i win in NY State Court AGAINST Gail Zappa and ASCAP? because their claims are baseless. My band stays within acceptable US and international law where applicable -- performing the music of a composer in certified venues. End of Story.



I write this to all of you -- in case some dark shit goes down today (Sun, 6 July 2008) at the 2nd festival, in Quebec City QC. I will go there - do my job -- and stay out of the way. I haven't decided yet if I will watch the music --some of my favorite music ever -- from the audience, up front, as I deserve. But we'll see.



My boss--my amazing friend actually -- Mr. Adrian Belew -- has not decided if he will perform on one song today with them. I can;'t speak for him but he is upset -- and feels caught between some painful stuff. Again-- the method of pitting people against each other is in play.



I Urged Adrian to do whatever he feels is right -- and to forget about this (I know- impossible). But he knows that I will not at all be upset if he gets onstage with them, well, with Dweezil. You know why?? Because from BEGINNING TO END -- I have always been about one goddamned thing - FRANK and HIS MUSIC...and about YOU -- the fans and alumni! that's all!!! Every last one of you on here, many who have celebrated Frank's amazing music with me and my band....KNOW THAT. And I thank you again -- and hope we meet again in music.



I also thank, deeply, a blood relative of Frank's who will remain nameless -- who related to me 2 days ago, before all this - in email an old saying:

"They .....will get you sick before you get them well.

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(this person added the words........)

"I urge you to protect your beautiful mind from the psychic poison, of which there is a never ending supply.

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Great stuff. This made my day. I am trying to do that, my friend. I am trying real hard. You got me through yesterday in many ways and your words will echo all day as I deal with another encounter with this dysfunctional camp.



This letter is public domain. Spread It to others if you feel the need. Post it on forums. Delete it if you don't care. But ponder it as another chapter in this crazy, post-mortem, mis-handling of Frank's legacy. Horrible.



I will get it on my blog soon at http://robotvomit. blogspot. com/

PS -Believe it or not --- when I heard about us opening for ZPZ -- after getting over the shock and apprehension, I decided that if I saw Dweezil, I would walk up to him and say "hey man... I know there's lots of water under the bridge..but it's GREAT what you have done and are doing...and just fantastic how you have celebrated your dad's music - Thank You.

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Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock and others are my witness on that, I told them of my intent over a month ago. I was taking the high road -- I greeted every single one of Dweezil's crew with honor and respect -- I genuinely loved meeting the ones I didn't know -- I stayed and watched their show (missing most of Steely Dan, ouch!!) - even after all the crap. I watched, invisibly, from the backstage grounds near stage left. I kept myself unseen. I honored the festival stage manager's requests - great guy. I'm about the music and I want you to know that always. But this crap can't be allowed.



Help me-- should I be suing them?? Should I walk away and just keep living my life at as high a spiritual level as I can manage?? Don't worry -- will go into today's encounter peacefully -- a very , very difficult day lies ahead.



Yours,
André Cholmondeley
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Andre sent this out as a bulletin on P/O's myspace page. I post this only in response to someone claiming definitively it didn't happen. I wasn't there and don't claim to have any opinion on the matter whatsoever, however blind faith rubs me the wrong way.

Thanks, Mr. Helper. <insert sarcasm> :roll:

Rather than post something to which you claim you nothing about, why didn't/don't you post the denial? Who claimed that [in your words] "definitively it didn't happen"? Better yet.....post the claim of denial.

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That is pretty sad that you would put this on here. I don't care what you think of DZ, he would never push violence on anyone. He is very reserved and I take offense that you would infer that he would have someone "roughed up". That is pathetic, what are we in an episode of the Sopranos, just because he is Italian doesn't mead he is a mobster. I know there is conflict with Adrian but DZ would not result to violence over it.

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That is pretty sad that you would put this on here. I don't care what you think of DZ, he would never push violence on anyone. He is very reserved and I take offense that you would infer that he would have someone "roughed up". That is pathetic, what are we in an episode of the Sopranos, just because he is Italian doesn't mead he is a mobster. I know there is conflict with Adrian but DZ would not result to violence over it.


It's amazing how naive some people are. :roll:

I think Andre should sue their bitch asses.

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That is pretty sad that you would put this on here. I don't care what you think of DZ, he would never push violence on anyone. He is very reserved and I take offense that you would infer that he would have someone "roughed up". That is pathetic, what are we in an episode of the Sopranos, just because he is Italian doesn't mead he is a mobster. I know there is conflict with Adrian but DZ would not result to violence over it.


To make a gross analogy, that is like saying that Donald Rumsfeld's policies had nothing to do with Abu Ghraib. A very sad day in Zappa-Land.
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Andre sent this out as a bulletin on P/O's myspace page. I post this only in response to someone claiming definitively it didn't happen. I wasn't there and don't claim to have any opinion on the matter whatsoever, however blind faith rubs me the wrong way.

hello Friends....

Sorry -- this became kind of a long letter, but it helped me exorcise some real negative shit. It took me two hours.



I was working for ADRIAN BELEW, opening for ZPZ at Ottawa Bluesfest, Canada (Sat 5 July 2008)

Stuff turned REAL ugly.....

Basically---- one of Dweezil Zappa's guys, under his direct orders - threatened, pushed and physically attacked me.... !

For the horrible act of walking onto the stage to watch and enjoy the show. Really.



I should consider legal action actually..it was ...real ugly. real scary. I was shaking like a leaf... They have sued me many times, tried to at least. Should I return the favor? I ask your advice -- should I seek legal action?? I have countless witnesses, I was at work in a professional capacity. Canada law on this is actually quite bad news for someone who would want to work here again....I could cripple the Zappa family financially, real bad news since they are losing their shirts trying to do these tours, pay cuts, playing smaller and smaller venues etc isn't helping from what I hear.



Their Monitor guy, Dave, almost shoved me off the stage, a 10 to 15ft drop, so scary. Scenes of "broken leg in London Orchestra pit" may dance through your head......

These people actually had a MEETING on THE BUS...Tour Manager, Dweezil, crew, etc. Wrap your mind around the level off dysfunction -- to have a fucking MEETING about a guy you hate --- a guy who has never really done anything but piss you off for some reason. Imagine being so unprofessional -- and self-important -- to think that a HUGE festival, should do your bidding and ban people from public areas. I know - Unreal. - But -- par for the course in Post-Mortem Zappa-land. No surprise. Bullying at every turn.



After a meeting on the bus --Dweezil then demanded from the Festival stage manager (ONE HOUR before their show!!) that I would NOT BE SEEN by him (Dweezil).....!! he asked that he NOT SEE ME AT ALL, EVER, throughout the night. I can't wait to see when he delivers to the shocked people at TODAY's festival the same pompous request.



The incredible, pro stage mgr guy, Wiggy, from the Ottawa Bluesfest, ensured cooler heads prevailed all night. I hope we work together again.



Ok, Now, this is a GIANT festival with about 230 bands...11 days.... we are on a fucking SIDE STAGE -- and Dweezil DEMANDS of the festival staff- ONE HOUR BEFORE HIS SHOW - to KEEP ME OFF THE STAGE (even the side stage, monitor area, backstage, etc!!) and make sure he (DWEEZIL) NEVER SEE ME!!!! Can you even wrap your mind around that??? he wanted to CONTROL the attendance - at a public event he is getting paid to be at - of someone he is soooo pissed at. Unreal.



The (very cool) stage manager , when I asked him -- said " Dude - no, I have NO PROBLEM with you going into the AUDIENCE and watching them, front row, whatever. I just have to respect these guys and ask you to stay off the stage.

I wanna run a smooth show - I am here for 11 days, I have no time for issues"

As you all know-- I'm a fucking PRO, and I of course honored the request -- I stayed off stage. But this is after FINDING OUT for the first time....with the prick monitor guy SCREAMING IN MY FACE AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS -- SPITTING IN MY GODDAMN FACE...and pushing me backwards to the edge.... it was terrifying and I've seen a lot of dark shit in this life, trust me on that.



It was unreal. Surreal. The best part is -- before ZPZ played - BELEW played--- and I had met this very same guy - Dave - monitor guy -- and he was COOL!! We were rapping, talking gear, he showed me a pic on his computer of his guitar-rig..which featured the same amp that Adrian uses (Johnson JM 150), like good nerds we chuckled about that as well as his computer gadget his laptop sat on...some device with 2 fans to cool it off, blah blah blah. We talked about him being new on the crew, after I said "Napoleon says hi" --"oh no -- that was the old guy, I am new since last year, etc etc"....We talked all kinds of stuff -- later he claimed "Well I thought you were just acting like nothing was going on". Wow.



So-- SAME GUY turn into a RAGING PSYCHO 2 hrs later!!!! He literally almost pushed me off the stage and down some steps. It was scary shit. I can't emphazise that enough. I am shaking still, almost 12 hrs later as i type this after 4 hrs sleep.



I'm not easily shaken, you know that. But I drive 5 hrs today -- to another fest where ZPZ again plays right after us --- and I dunno how it will turn out.

I went to the monitor guy after the show and said "Dude, do you have something to say to me"??

He copped TONS of attitude, but I actually got him to begrudgingly apologize, I accepted it, kinda, since he claimed he had been TOLD by up to 6 people that I was FULLY INFORMED of my "persona non grata" status. Well- I wasn't informed.

The FIRST TIME I knew about ANY of this crap was when he violently accosted me!!

I think I will call the next P/O tour by that title. --- PERSONA NON GRATA.

how do you like it??

I feel extra let down that I wasn't warned, wasn't told. Joe Travers, the bass player Pete and other crew/band members said hi, some shook my hand, we rapped. I - as I always try to -- will give the benefit of the doubt that each person thought "Oh - I thought Someone ELSE told him". I feel sorry for these people -- including my hero Thomas Nordegg -- thee greatest guitar tech in the Solar System, who I had a lovely time hanging with all afternoon before I loaded in.



I feel sorry that they are all caught between the horrible pressure of being told to DISS ME as part of their job....and knowing me for years and knowing who and what I really am. Terrible - to put people in that position. But that's how tyrants operate. Pitting people against each other. It's worked for centuries. Check the history books.



OK. whatever. But does the 'adult' monitor guy need to have dealt with it that way??? Screaming at the TOP of his lungs, spitting his filthy fucking spit in my face, pushing me backwards in shock?? Later he even justified the screaming (!!) --- "hey my in-ear monitors were on". Yeah right. Any pro engineer knows how loud they are talking!! Ridiculous. Dude has major issues and I will make sure I deal with him today with lost of witnesses around.




Thank You,
André

Now -- I'm not gloating here but.......I'm The guy who, Unlike Dweezil Zappa, has shared the stage with more Zappa alumni and family than almost ANYONE BUT FRANK ZAPPA ..people like Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Candy Zappa, Ed Mann, Roy Estrada, Mike Keneally, Adrian Belew, Denny Walley, Don Preston, Bunk Gardner, Bob Harris, Thana Harris, Jimmy Carl Black, Billy Mundi, Ray White, Al Malkin, Arthur Barrow, Bruce Bickford and more.

Actually only someone like the amazing Ed Mann, Ike Willis, Scott Thunes or Chad Wackerman has been onstage with more people -- due to their LONG tenure in the band (over 21 years for Ed and about 7-10 years for Chad/Scott/Ike)

I'm not gloating. It's called PRIDE. I am proud I have dedicated a part of my musical life, just one part -- to paying back to a man who changed my life - Frank Zappa.

An amazing, genius man I was lucky enough to shake hands with several times, look in his eyes from 3 feet away, tell him a joke or two, walk up to at a concert and give a funny sign to (feb 1988 , wash DC) that made him laugh his ass off (cherished memory!! Making Zappa laugh!!! C'mon - can it get better??!!!)

A man who asked on his deathbed for people, musicians or not - to PLAY HIS MUSIC!! Frank asked for that -- I have always tried to honor that request. I am PROUD of engineering a SOLD OUT show at Irving Plaza, Halloween 2001, raising TEN GRAND for Prostate Cancer research (a show that owes much credit to my great management team at CEG Music in NYC and the great Matt Ross, now CEO of Paul Green School of Rock). I am PROUD of getting many , many alumni out of RETIREMENT and back onstage. I am PROUD of paying my way, losing money to go all the way to my beloved Germany, to play music and hang out with THOUSANDS of Freaks...at the Zappanale festival -now being SUED by Gail Zappa as well.



I'm proud of my work in this area. No one can or will ever take that away from me. Frank Zappa changed my WORLD at age 16.....and I am very very proud to have had the chance to meet most of his players, to call them all my friends to this day. I am proud to have his original family members as cherished friends. I say this not to impress anyone but to add perspective. No one reading this is unaware of the dark energy that has emanated from Zappa central in recent years. It's a thing of real concern.



PS: This is the core of what pisses them off. They have BURNT EVERY BRIDGE with most of the Zappa alumni and family -- and they hate themselves for it. They know they've BLOWN IT and insulted Frank's Legacy. They know they can NEVER turn back -- can never celebrate his deep kinship with so, so many people.



They know that Musicians they have sued, dissed in the press, not paid, ignored as they stood in the audience at ZPZ shows...won't take that crap and will not ever work with them. I have kept silent about THAT part of things for YEARS...but being physically threatened by Dweezil's crew CROSSES A LINE that I can never go back over. Sorry, Dweezil. You should have thought about your actions. Right now they are in court with the ZAPPANALE...they have sent cease and desist letters to Bogus Pomp and other bands, they keep going after the Grandmothers...suing TV stations....it doesn't end with me -- and that's how I sleep at night -- IT'S NOT JUST ME!!!

As peaceful as a person as I am----I cannot sit by with this crap - It's been OVER TEN YEARS of attacks, insulting emails from Gail, LAWSUIT THREATS, threats to some alumni who play with us, falsified, libelous letters from ASCAP/, and watching the SAME happen to many friends and colleagues WORLDWIDE. It's scary, downright scary. The "Zappa" "Family" feels it can just go around suing, attacking, and trying to squash the truth -- but reality and truth have a way of bubbling up.



Why has EVERY SINGLE LAWSUIT filed against me by Gail Zappa been thrown out ?? Why did i win in NY State Court AGAINST Gail Zappa and ASCAP? because their claims are baseless. My band stays within acceptable US and international law where applicable -- performing the music of a composer in certified venues. End of Story.



I write this to all of you -- in case some dark shit goes down today (Sun, 6 July 2008) at the 2nd festival, in Quebec City QC. I will go there - do my job -- and stay out of the way. I haven't decided yet if I will watch the music --some of my favorite music ever -- from the audience, up front, as I deserve. But we'll see.



My boss--my amazing friend actually -- Mr. Adrian Belew -- has not decided if he will perform on one song today with them. I can;'t speak for him but he is upset -- and feels caught between some painful stuff. Again-- the method of pitting people against each other is in play.



I Urged Adrian to do whatever he feels is right -- and to forget about this (I know- impossible). But he knows that I will not at all be upset if he gets onstage with them, well, with Dweezil. You know why?? Because from BEGINNING TO END -- I have always been about one goddamned thing - FRANK and HIS MUSIC...and about YOU -- the fans and alumni! that's all!!! Every last one of you on here, many who have celebrated Frank's amazing music with me and my band....KNOW THAT. And I thank you again -- and hope we meet again in music.



I also thank, deeply, a blood relative of Frank's who will remain nameless -- who related to me 2 days ago, before all this - in email an old saying:

"They .....will get you sick before you get them well.

"

(this person added the words........)

"I urge you to protect your beautiful mind from the psychic poison, of which there is a never ending supply.

"

Great stuff. This made my day. I am trying to do that, my friend. I am trying real hard. You got me through yesterday in many ways and your words will echo all day as I deal with another encounter with this dysfunctional camp.



This letter is public domain. Spread It to others if you feel the need. Post it on forums. Delete it if you don't care. But ponder it as another chapter in this crazy, post-mortem, mis-handling of Frank's legacy. Horrible.



I will get it on my blog soon at http://robotvomit. blogspot. com/

PS -Believe it or not --- when I heard about us opening for ZPZ -- after getting over the shock and apprehension, I decided that if I saw Dweezil, I would walk up to him and say "hey man... I know there's lots of water under the bridge..but it's GREAT what you have done and are doing...and just fantastic how you have celebrated your dad's music - Thank You.

"

Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock and others are my witness on that, I told them of my intent over a month ago. I was taking the high road -- I greeted every single one of Dweezil's crew with honor and respect -- I genuinely loved meeting the ones I didn't know -- I stayed and watched their show (missing most of Steely Dan, ouch!!) - even after all the crap. I watched, invisibly, from the backstage grounds near stage left. I kept myself unseen. I honored the festival stage manager's requests - great guy. I'm about the music and I want you to know that always. But this crap can't be allowed.



Help me-- should I be suing them?? Should I walk away and just keep living my life at as high a spiritual level as I can manage?? Don't worry -- will go into today's encounter peacefully -- a very , very difficult day lies ahead.



Yours,
André Cholmondeley
Tour Manager/Guitar Tech - Adrian Belew Power Trio
Founder/Guitarist/Grey Hairs - PROJECT/OBJECT - the longest running, internationally touring Zappa repertoire band. Actually Respecting the Alumni Who Made the Music Come Alive.
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O.K. let's see if this can mean anything to this community.

My mother passed away in 1999. My ex psycho shows up at the funeral. Says nothing to no one. Just stands there like a statue. If there were pigeons they would have shit on her. Now this ex Psycho, sans pigeon shit was not at all a good person to my mother. My mother was basically a Saint of a woman who gave her heart and money to the world including whatever the ex Psyco would need to make her life happy. I divorced the ex Psycho in a kind and gentle way that benefited her but if I was mean she would be dead for her actions towards me and my family. Anyway at the funeral the ex Psycho said nothing at all to anyone in my family when she showed up. At some point a relative made a scene in the funeral parlor. She directly and loudly confronted the ex-Psycho in her face questioning why the she was even there. My relative took it to a level that was just not something I approved of or proper for the funeral. Neither person was acting all that well but the ex Psycho not only should not have shown up but just did not have the proper diplomacy.

My advice to Andre is to stay away from eh Zappa's.
I could understand and fully support DZ if he had made demands and does not want to have Andre at all in his line of sight. DZs mother is alive.
If DZ knows how Andre has spoken of his mother and I expect e has I very well understand how he would not want to see Andre in his periscope.

My advice to Andre is to stay as far away as possible from the Zappa's. If Andre wants to publicly make these statements of lawsuits and other Zappa relatives and Zappa Alumni opinions why does he not just call a his view of a spade a spade and tell how he talks of GZ.

Andre is two faced. Sincerely I wish no harm to come to him but all this shaking like a leaf dialog really makes me question what really went down. I know how Andre talks of GZ when he is in his comfort zone. Please Andre let the truth be known how you talk. Stop giving us this pity me it's all about FZs wishes. IF I want to hear pity I'll put on a Linda Rondstat LP but if you are gonna talk be 100% honest on your ignorance based on your actions. Do you expect to be welcomed by Official Zappa community. Call them a cunt to their faces. You get quite passionate about using the CUNT word. Honestly you were more possessed by emotions when uttering the word CUNT than when you perform Zappa music. If you could make a living at it I'd suggest CUNT calling a profession. At this point I really question your passion for Zappa's music or your passion for calling someone a cunt.

I'll copy this elsewhere.

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Sorry Trendy, this is a BUSINESS. Someone had a lapse in a pure business sense.. One cannot be a primadonna about it. Unless yr Led Zep.


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Andre C wrote:
I'm not gloating. It's called PRIDE. I am proud I have dedicated a part of my musical life, just one part -- to paying back to a man who changed my life - Frank Zappa.

An amazing, genius man I was lucky enough to shake hands with several times, look in his eyes from 3 feet away, tell him a joke or two, walk up to at a concert and give a funny sign to (feb 1988 , wash DC) that made him laugh his ass off (cherished memory!! Making Zappa laugh!!! C'mon - can it get better??!!!)

A man who asked on his deathbed for people, musicians or not - to PLAY HIS MUSIC!! Frank asked for that -- I have always tried to honor that request.


there he goes again. not gloating. of course not.

and, again, claiming that frank zappa (on his deathbed, no less) told everyone that it was alright to play his music anyway they wanted to.

thereby making project/object the only official zappa tribute band?

and; what's so special about belew, anyway? he was a member of frank zappa's band for eight months.
he could have stayed, but, he left for david bowie...

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and; what's so special about belew, anyway? he was a member of frank zappa's band for eight months.
he could have stayed, but, he left for david bowie...


It was recently revealed that some members of the Baby Snakes band were busted for drugs while on tour in Europe (?) and everyone knew that he was going to disband the group at the end of the tour. Supposedly that was the deciding factor for Adrian. Made the decision a lot easier. BUT, who cares, anyway? If ya want to be a pro, ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

I imagine Adrian is the most succesful, high profile, ex-member of a Zappa group? George Duke is a biggie, too.


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That is pretty sad that you would put this on here. I don't care what you think of DZ, he would never push violence on anyone. He is very reserved and I take offense that you would infer that he would have someone "roughed up". That is pathetic, what are we in an episode of the Sopranos, just because he is Italian doesn't mead he is a mobster. I know there is conflict with Adrian but DZ would not result to violence over it.

Presciousz'z "reserved" heartthrob idol led the audience in a loud continuous chant of "FUCK LOU REED!!!!" when I saw the band Z perform at 9:30 Club in Washington, DC in March 1994.

Preciousz's Sopranos analogy is perfect. A Zappalumni told me that workin' for ZPZ was like workin' for The Godfather.

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I read over at Zappateers that Adrian did the Bob Dylan FLAKES bit w/ZpZ
at the show on July 6...wherever that was. Too bad no jam fest, but what can one expect.


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It has been alleged that there was another incident the following evening in Quebec consisting, in part, of an attempt (by ZPZ TM) to physically block André from loading Belew's van.

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jimmie d killed the forum wrote:
preciousz wrote:
That is pretty sad that you would put this on here. I don't care what you think of DZ, he would never push violence on anyone. He is very reserved and I take offense that you would infer that he would have someone "roughed up". That is pathetic, what are we in an episode of the Sopranos, just because he is Italian doesn't mead he is a mobster. I know there is conflict with Adrian but DZ would not result to violence over it.

Presciousz'z "reserved" heartthrob idol led the audience in a loud continuous chant of "FUCK LOU REED!!!!" when I saw the band Z perform at 9:30 Club in Washington, DC in March 1994.

Preciousz's Sopranos analogy is perfect. A Zappalumni told me that workin' for ZPZ was like workin' for The Godfather.


I never said that DZ wouldn't use his words to vent his frustrations I said that he would not resort to violence. How does Andre KNOW it was DZ who told the roadie or whoever to push him around? I just don't see it. Jimmy when you have talked with DZ as much as I have you can voice your opinion, until then maybe you should stick to things you know about. I am not saying DZ is easy to work for, on the contrary. I know that he is not easy at all. He wants everything to be perfect and that would be hard to deal with. I wouldn't want to work for him either but I didn't say that he was the best to deal with at all times I said that he wouldn't have someone roughed up.
Andre's little rant was very unprofesssional, he talks about suing the Zappas but does he not realize that unless he has some proof that DZ could sue him for slander? You can't accuse someone of ordering violence on someone. It was very childish.
I think the whole fued is childish but I understand that Andre is as much a part of it as GZ and DZ. DZ is protective of his mom and he won't let someone bad mouth her or Frank without saying something.

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