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 Post subject: and finally
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:19 pm 
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PenguinInBondage wrote
Repeat ZPZ performances would get a bit repetitive after a while with the repeated songs and the same solo breaks, etc. - no?

No not at all PIB. There are plenty of FZ shows from the same tour(s) that contain the same tunes and it does not get repetitive so why would ZPZ.

Accept no substitutes- a button and finger(s) to simulate the sound of the xylaphone as oppossed to the mallet(s)

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Rick Bartow is a freaking musical genius.
Thx again Rick for the latest creations of what rick did.


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 Post subject: Re: and finally
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:32 pm 
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zfrank6995 wrote:
No not at all PIB. There are plenty of FZ shows from the same tour(s) that contain the same tunes and it does not get repetitive so why would ZPZ.

Accept no substitutes- a button and finger(s) to simulate the sound of the xylaphone as oppossed to the mallet(s)


Well, in my opinion, FZ handles the improv sections of his songs completely different than his son Dweezil who tends to - again, in my opinion - have each member solo in the same styling/manner each performance. A great example of this would be King Kong (FZ-control vs. DZ-control)

Per the xylophone, yes, that's nice. I'm sure if P/O had half of the budget that ZPZ does, they could afford such luxuries as well. The ratio of putting the eyebrows on the music (again, in my opinion) is much lower coming from ZPZ than most lineups of P/O. Also, vocally, if you remove the alumni from the equation, ZPZ doesn't have much soul. I'm always a vocal nut/critic and I love hearing both Ray and Napi sing. But I heard both of them sing long before ZPZ came to fruition.

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feel free to kill this forum anytime.

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zfrank6995 wrote:
feel free to kill this forum anytime.

get on yer feet and do the funky alphonso

Remember.....FZ put the fz in St. Alfonzo. 8)

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PenguinInBondage wrote:
Well, in my opinion, FZ handles the improv sections of his songs completely different than his son Dweezil who tends to - again, in my opinion - have each member solo in the same styling/manner each performance. A great example of this would be King Kong (FZ-control vs. DZ-control)



In your opinion.

Well in my factual perception from the shows I have seen from coast to cast of the USA those solos are not done in the same mold every night.

Here are the facts regarding solos.
Band members solos change from night to night in variant degrees.

Not only do more band members have solo sections than most of any of FZs touring bands but the band member solos change based not only on DZs conducting but the format of instrumentation..... from either a progression of band member solos or where a given band member totally changes things up by performing solos with totally different tonal and timbered palates.

This year it has even been reported where DZ is extrapolating various Shut Up N' Player Yer Guitar compositions within given songs.


Some of Project Object fans have there heads so far up an alumni quotient ass that they do not even know what the fuck is going on. Project Object has been practicing and performing for thousands of hours for over a decade and it's the same basic in the ballpark scenario. They just do not know how to dissect and execute the composition as good as the artistic intent deserves. By bar bar band standards they do what they do.

I am sorry some are disappointed with the alumni quotient but no matter what ZPZ show I have seen I notice a strong representation of the composers work. More so than most if not all of FZs touring bands.

That is not to put down any of FZs touring bands and I never saw FZ on a bad night. They all were magnificent in their own dimension but ZPZ is far more representative of a life work. They are digging deep into a composer canon and they execute the music as well as any groups of musicians who have ever lived. Each 2 1/2 to 3 hour show is more difficult than what FZs bands were doing.

As time goes on thorough critical analysis can be done on ZPZ.
This is only the 3rd tour. If and when more alumni should get involved I wll welcome that but I know for sure ZPZ will continue to evolve and put on 2 1/2 to 3 hour shows where each and every night is performed like it is The Big One.

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Trendmonger wrote:
In your opinion.

Well in my factual perception...


Haven't read the rest of your post yet... this is proof right here that you are an ASS! Factual perception is an oxymoron, you conceited shithead.... :evil:

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Trendmonger wrote:
In your opinion.

Well in my factual perception from the shows I have seen from coast to cast of the USA those solos are not done in the same mold every night.

Here are the facts regarding solos.
Band members solos change from night to night in variant degrees.

Not only do more band members have solo sections than most of any of FZs touring bands but the band member solos change based not only on DZs conducting but the format of instrumentation..... from either a progression of band member solos or where a given band member totally changes things up by performing solos with totally different tonal and timbered palates.

This year it has even been reported where DZ is extrapolating various Shut Up N' Player Yer Guitar compositions within given songs.


Some of Project Object fans have there heads so far up an alumni quotient ass that they do not even know what the fuck is going on. Project Object has been practicing and performing for thousands of hours for over a decade and it's the same basic in the ballpark scenario. They just do not know how to dissect and execute the composition as good as the artistic intent deserves. By bar bar band standards they do what they do.

I am sorry some are disappointed with the alumni quotient but no matter what ZPZ show I have seen I notice a strong representation of the composers work. More so than most if not all of FZs touring bands.

That is not to put down any of FZs touring bands and I never saw FZ on a bad night. They all were magnificent in their own dimension but ZPZ is far more representative of a life work. They are digging deep into a composer canon and they execute the music as well as any groups of musicians who have ever lived. Each 2 1/2 to 3 hour show is more difficult than what FZs bands were doing.

As time goes on thorough critical analysis can be done on ZPZ.
This is only the 3rd tour. If and when more alumni should get involved I wll welcome that but I know for sure ZPZ will continue to evolve and put on 2 1/2 to 3 hour shows where each and every night is performed like it is The Big One.


There's so much bullshit trapped in here - I wanted to make sure I encapsulated it before you edited it 700 times...

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 Post subject: zpz : no eyebrows
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spinmonger wrote:
...strong representation of the composers work. More so than most if not all of FZs touring bands...

that's fucking sad, couldn't be farther from reality or fact; you ever see a real frank zappa performance ¿ highly unlikely... at best, you caught part of a show on a rare off-night



they're not even in the same league as frank's weakest band

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penguin in bondage wrote
Haven't read the rest of your post yet... this is proof right here that you are an ASS! Factual perception is an oxymoron, you conceited shithead....

Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black.


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on Thursday, November 13, 2008, Adrian Belew wrote:
since I'm on this train of thought, I would like to clear up one more thing.
a few months back I was asked by dweezil zappa to join the zappa plays zappa
show in canada for an onstage performance of flakes, the dylan imitation.
in an email to me dweezil also asked that I make certain
andre cholmondeley, my tour manager and guitar tech,
would be persona non grata.
in other words dweezil did not want to see andre at the show.
there is an ongoing battle between the zappa family and andre.

I told dweezil I would try my best to insure he would not see andre.
but I put it off and put it off and I want to make this clear:
I did not say anything to andre.
andre had no idea that he should keep out of dweezil's sight.

why did I not keep my word to dweezil?
andre is a valued member of my crew and a friend.
I know how much he loves frank's music.
I could not bring myself to hurt andre's feeling.

naturally, the worst happened.
andre was banished from watching the show
by one of the zappa crew members
and things got a bit ugly.

I want to apologize to both andre and dweezil.
I should have told andre or should never have
given my word in the first place.

on a happier note:
when I walked onstage to sit in with zappa plays zappa
armed with only a harmonica and my pitiful dylan voice,
I suddenly felt transported back to my time onstage with frank.
dweezil so resembles his father in looks and in voice
that I had to do a double take to be sure where I was.

it was a very special moment for me
which brought back a flood of memories.

I miss frank.

http://elephant-blog.blogspot.com/2008/11/life-is-very-sh-part-iii.html

.....and now you know the rest of the story..... 8)

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Thanks for the Adrian note, Jimmy!

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WELL THATS A HORSE OF A DIFFERENT COLOUR ! Yeah colour.
Thanks for posting that Jimmy Forum-Killer.

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Thanks Jimmie D! I bet Adrian regrets remaining silent, as it contributed to that mess.

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Thanx to the Ed Mann Town thread for referencing this thread. 8 pages of Forum history worth reading.

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A nice read, at least until Trendy shows up and derails the discussion.

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