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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:50 am 
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[quote author=UNICA link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=0#0 date=11/09/04 at 08:19:24]Variations IV - Pick Me I'm Clean<br><br> http://www.thebignote.com/archived/bald ... _vault.php <br><br>This month we feature the fourth in our "Variation Variations" series: a forgotten gem of a song from back in 1980, "Pick Me I'm Clean". <br><br>You all know this one from Tinseltown Rebellion, but that five minute offering hardly does justice to the rip-roaring versions that Frank produced during the two 1980 tours. <br><br>We begin with pre-tour rehearsals in February 1980, with Frank putting the band through its paces. The next 3 tracks, from April and early May, have a laid back feel to them; [font=Verdana]Ike has yet to feel really comfortable with the vocals [/font]and Frankís guitar solos are restrained. The soloing is good of course, but not yet great. By late May Frank begins to speed up the tempo of the song, and things start to happen. Track 5, from Rotterdam, has a beautiful, clean solo.<br><br>But it is the Fall tour, and the return of Vinnie to the band, when good becomes great. Track 6, from Detroit, recorded in late November gives us a slower version, plenty of audience noise, and a frankly mind-fucking solo. Rip 'em to shreds Frank. <br><br>Track 7, from Chicago two days later, provides another fabulous solo. And then we get to Santa Monica, the final two shows of the tour for tracks 8 (early) & 9 (late). The early show is good, but the late one is unbelievable: for nearly thirteen minutes, Frank pulls out all the stops, including Torture-style moaning behind another glorious solo. This is magnificent - as good as it gets.<br><br>After 1980, for reasons known only to himself, FZ decided to shelve this song, only resurrecting it for a few brief appearances towards the end of the 1988 tour; track 10 featured here.<br><br>Now, having heard these Variations, you tell me whether youíd rather listen to the Tinseltown version, worthy though it is. I know where I stand.<br><br>UMRK 10 February 1980 <br>San Bernardino 5 April 1980 <br>Fort Lauderdale 18 April 1980 early show <br>Portland 4 May 1980 <br>Rotterdam 24 May 1980 <br>Detroit 26 November 1980 early show <br>Chicago 28 November 1980 early show <br>Santa Monica 11 December 1980 early show <br>Santa Monica 11 December 1980 late show <br>Graz 29 May 1988 <br>[/quote]<br><br>One correction....<br>Ray is the lead singer of Pick Me, I'm Clean on all the 1980 verisons not Ike.<br>Anyway....<br><br>PMIC is absolutley one of my all time fav FZ songs. Ever!!! In my top 10. The song itslef rules but the solos are just brutal during the Vinnie/Art shows.<br>Awesome!!!<br><br>

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[quote author=jaypfunk link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=0#1 date=11/09/04 at 09:50:38]<br><br>One correction....<br>Ray is the lead singer of Pick Me, I'm Clean on all the 1980 verisons not Ike.<br>Anyway....<br><br>PMIC is absolutley one of my all time fav FZ songs. Ever!!! In my top 10. The song itslef rules but the solos are just brutal during the Vinnie/Art shows.<br>Awesome!!!<br><br>[/quote]<br><br>Not exactly right Jayp, the rehearsal is definately Ike and the next songs also sometimes have Ike as leadsinger. After listening to these tracks it seems that Ray or Ike took turns in signing this song:<br><br>UMRK 10 February 1980 - IKE<br>San Bernardino 5 April 1980 - IKE & RAY<br>Fort Lauderdale 18 April 1980 early show - IKE<br>Portland 4 May 1980 - IKE & RAY<br>Rotterdam 24 May 1980 - IKE & RAY<br>Detroit 26 November 1980 early show - RAY <br>Chicago 28 November 1980 early show - RAY (& IKE)<br>Santa Monica 11 December 1980 early show - RAY<br>Santa Monica 11 December 1980 late show - RAY <br>Graz 29 May 1988 - IKE

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[quote author=UNICA link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=0#2 date=11/09/04 at 11:15:18]<br><br>Not exactly right Jayp, the rehearsal is definately Ike and the next songs also sometimes have Ike as leadsinger. After listening to these tracks it seems that Ray or Ike took turns in signing this song:<br><br>UMRK 10 February 1980 - IKE<br>San Bernardino 5 April 1980 - IKE & RAY<br>Fort Lauderdale 18 April 1980 early show - IKE<br>Portland 4 May 1980 - IKE & RAY<br>Rotterdam 24 May 1980 - IKE & RAY<br>Detroit 26 November 1980 early show - RAY <br>Chicago 28 November 1980 early show - RAY (& IKE)<br>Santa Monica 11 December 1980 early show - RAY<br>Santa Monica 11 December 1980 late show - RAY <br>Graz 29 May 1988 - IKE[/quote]<br><br>oops that's right.... i forgot about the real early 80 shows. i gotta dig out 04/18/1980 tonite<br><br><br>

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Very good all of them.<br>Though I am partial to the one from Portland <br>(oh and I am totally loving the Chicago one too)<br>

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Thank you.  <br><br>The Tinseltown version of this song is what I play for drummers that have not heard Vinnie.  His playing throughout the song is great, but what he does during the solo interacting with Frank and the rhythm section is not of this earth and was simply the most creative thing I'd ever heard.<br><br>VCF

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Thank you very much. PMIC is also one of my fave songs. The UMRK clip is illuminating. In fact they all have their own individual qualities that have just transformed me into an even harder hardcore Zappa freak!<br><br>How did Jaypunk confuse Ike and Ray? Sounds like he is winging it to me my most learned Zappa trainspotters.<br>Any way the 1980 band is all about Ray and Ike givin it the large one...TOGETHER!!


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I think my favorite versions are during 1980.<br>With Bob Harris on trumpet...it adds such a great feel.

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Are one of these on that bootleg Fred Zappelin?

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[quote author=fatherofinvention link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=0#9 date=11/18/04 at 05:35:23]Are one of these on that bootleg Fred Zappelin?[/quote]<br><br>No, The Version of PMIC on Fred Zappelin is from 07/07/1980 Cologne<br><br>Info:<br>Fred Zappelin (2 LP)<br>Sporthalle, Cologne, 7-Jun-1980 <br>Phoenix, Arizona, 13-Oct-1980 <br>Palladium, New York 1-Nov-1980 <br>Various (frankly unkown) USA locations and dates late 1980 <br>Length: ~90 min<br>Sound quality: Soundboard B+<br>Label: Mud Shark MZ 3606 / Raw Sound<br><br>Cologne musicians: Frank Zappa, Ike Willis, Tommy Mars, Arthur Barrow, Ray White and David Logeman<br><br>US musicians: Frank Zappa, Ike Willis, Steve Vai, Ray White, Arthur Barrow, Vinnie Colaiuta, Tommy Mars and Bob Harris<br><br>1. A Pound for a Brown on the Bus<br>2. Pick Me, I'm Clean<br>3. Society Pages<br>4. I'm a Beautiful Guy<br>5. Beauty Knows No Pain<br><br>6. Charlie's Enormous Mouth<br>7. Dancin' Fool<br>8. Bobby Brown<br>9. Ms Pinky<br>10. Truck Driver Divorce<br>11. Luigi & the Wise Guys [listed as "You're a Dork"]<br>12. Outside Now<br><br>13. Tinseltown Rebellion<br>14. The Dangerous Kitchen<br>15. The Blue Light [listed as "Your Ethos"]<br>16. Dumb All Over<br>17. Shall We Take Ourselves Seriously?<br><br>18. Black Napkins / Introduction<br>19. Doreen<br>20. Goblin Girl<br>21. Broken Hearts Are for Assholes<br>22. I'm so Cute<br>23. Andy<br><br>Tracks 1-9 are live in Cologne 7-Jun-1980. <br>Tracks 10-11 are live in Phoenix, Arizona, 13-Oct-1980. <br>Tracks 12-17 and 21-23 are from various unknown US live dates late 1980. <br>Tracks 18-20 are from the late Palladium show in New York 1-Nov-1980. <br>Issued in December 1980 with a black & white paper insert. The original edition was 2000 copies, but a re-press of 500 copies came in a deluxe colour sleeve, and another 500 copies were pressed on coloured vinyl.<br><br>This boot was made from a soundboard tape stolen from Carlos Santana's luggage at a hotel in New Haven, Connecticut, where Carlos was staying after a concert at the "New Haven Colliseum" [?]. Crazy but true. (A "friend of the thief" has been in touch, reporting that he also came by some Santana tapes of the same time period, as "both Frank and Santana were touring Europe at the same time".)

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Oh, you musta got that from the Patio.  Just found that site.  Thanks!

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[quote author=fatherofinvention link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=0#11 date=11/18/04 at 06:01:53]Oh, you musta got that from the Patio.  Just found that site.[/quote]<br><br>Good. Now maybe you'll stop asking all these fuckin' questions and actually do some research yourself.<br>

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[quote author=Millwall link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=0#7 date=11/17/04 at 15:08:39]How did Jaypunk confuse Ike and Ray? Sounds like he is winging it to me my most learned Zappa trainspotters.[/quote]<br>well, if you doubt the fagnits zappa knowledge...ask to see his tape and VHS list.  he knows what hes talking about (surprisingly?! ;)).  8)  welcome aboard millwall!

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[quote author=Millwall link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=0#7 date=11/17/04 at 15:08:39]<br>How did Jaypunk confuse Ike and Ray? Sounds like he is winging it to me[/quote]<br><br>Hey fucktard.... I have like 400+ Zappa shows in my collection. How the fuck can I remember everything?? Suck a fat cock will ya??<br><br>

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Jaypfunk:  You are the most obnoxious asshole I have ever seen.  When someone is new to Zappa, do you expect them to go through jaypfunk training to know not to ever ask any questions jaypfunk can answer?

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[quote author=jaypfunk link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=0#14 date=11/18/04 at 06:46:39]Hey fucktard.... I have like 400+ Zappa shows in my collection....[/quote]<br>only 400...yer just gettin started, bro'  ;)<br>

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[quote author=fatherofinvention link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=15#15 date=11/18/04 at 13:48:44]Jaypfunk:  You are the most obnoxious asshole I have ever seen.  When someone is new to Zappa, do you expect them to go through jaypfunk training to know not to ever ask any questions jaypfunk can answer?[/quote]<br>hahaha...i think we've all been thru some sort of jaypfunk training. ;D  dont take anything posted here too seriously, remember this is the zappa board and we're all a bunch of sarcastic weirdos... i'm sure you'll fit in just fine.    enjoy!  8)

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[quote author=johnoppel link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=15#17 date=11/18/04 at 13:59:10]<br>hahaha...i think we've all been thru some sort of jaypfunk training. ;D  dont take anything posted here too seriously, remember this is the zappa board and we're all a bunch of sarcastic weirdos... i'm sure you'll fit in just fine.    enjoy!  8)[/quote]<br><br><br>Except for that Johnoppel - too wierd.....<br><br> :)

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[quote author=calvin2hikers link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=15#18 date=11/18/04 at 14:03:05]<br><br><br>Except for that Johnoppel - too wierd.....<br><br> :)[/quote]<br>*busted*  :P<br><br>alright gotta run keneally is doing a guitar clinic 15 mintues from here in new haven now! :o 8)

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[quote author=fatherofinvention link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=15#15 date=11/18/04 at 13:48:44]Jaypfunk:  You are the most obnoxious asshole I have ever seen.  When someone is new to Zappa, do you expect them to go through jaypfunk training to know not to ever ask any questions jaypfunk can answer?[/quote]<br><br>YES!! Now go get your fuckin' shine box!<br>You will worship the almighty jaypfunk!!!<br> ;D

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[quote author=Underwoods Son link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=15#21 date=11/18/04 at 14:50:11]<br><br>Aww, go to hell, ya old dried up ass rat.[/quote]<br><br><br> :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*

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[quote author=LumpyGravy link=board=concerts;num=1100017164;start=15#23 date=11/18/04 at 18:32:39]<br><br><br><br>'Knowledge is not wisdom.'<br>[hr]<br>400+ Zappa shows? So what? What kind of 'knowledge' does that give you? <br>To be able to say how many times he played here or there and if it was may 30th or may 31st this or that... Horse shit! Sounds like stamp collector fetichism* to me. You should try to understand Zappa to begin with, because that's something you obviously don't.<br>[hr]<br>Worship the almighty jayfuckanasshole...<br>[hr]<br>now don't get upset, little johnny. you do have a sense of humor, don't you..?<br>[hr]*no offense to stamp collectors... or any serious zappa collectors, for that matter<br>[/quote]<br><br>So - to be a fan you have understand Zappa? You can't just love the music? I thought that was the whole point. <br>

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