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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:57 pm 
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manichispanic wrote:
same fuckin set list they've had for 2 years now i bet...

Ya mean they should whip out some Freebird,Zep,ect.? :mrgreen:

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Yes, aside from the first tour, ZPZ has a really expansive setlist, noone needs to bitch about that!
However in terms of the YCFOSA downloads, mixing a whole tour was a ridiculous idea to begin with. He should have just taken the live stereo mix from the soundboard and given that out. Better than nothing.

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One always expects a bit of the unexpected but some of the tunes of a long list
that have been discussed as additions are Po-Jama People, Sinister Footwear,
Pick Me I'm Clean and Blue Light.

One that I have been rooting for is the 1978 Saturday Night Live arrangement of
St. Alfonzo's Pancake Breakfast/Rollo with Full Samurai Be- Bop Stage Regalia.


FYI
I forgot to mention Bobby Brown Goes Down

2009/10 Additions.......

1)Jones Crusher
2)Wonderful Wino (Playground Psychotics arrangement)
3)RDNZL
4)You Didn't Try to Call Me (1976 arrangement)
5)Road Ladies
6)T'Mershi Duween
7)Don't You Ever Wash That Thing
8)Ms Pinky
9)Catholic Girls
10)Crew Slut
11)Room Service
12)Bobby Brown Goes Down


2008 ZPZ YCFOSA Tour ZPZ Setlist Song Selection:

• Advance Romance
• Ain't Got No Heart
• Andy
• Bamboozled By Love
• Beauty Knows No Pain
• Black Napkins
• Black Page #1
• Black Page #2
• Broken Hearts Are For Assholes
• Camarillo Brillo
• Carolina Hard Core Ecstasy
• Cheepnis
• Chunga's Revenge
• City Of Tiny Lites
• Cosmik Debris
• Dirty Love
• Dog Breath
• Doreen
• Duprees Paradise
• Eat That Question
• Echidna's Arf Of You
• Father Oblivion
• Fembot In A Wet T-Shirt
• Filthy Habits
• Flakes
• Florentine Pogen
• G-SPOT Tornado
• He Used to Cut The Grass
• How Could I Be Such A Fool?
• Idiot Bastard Son
• Illinois Enema Bandit
• I'm A Beautiful Guy
• Imaginary Diseases
• I'm Not Satisfied
• Inca Roads
• Joe's Garage
• King Kong
• Lucille
• Magic Fingers
• Montana
• More Trouble Everyday
• Muffin Man
• My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama
• Oh No
• Outside Now
• Packard Goose
• Peaches En Regalia
• Pound For A Brown
• Purple Lagoon
• Pygmy Twylyte (Roxy Version)
• Pygmy Twylyte (Quaalude Thunder Version)
• San Berdino
• Sharleena Original version
• Sofa
• Son of Orange County
• St. Alfonzo's Pancake Breakfast
• Stinkfoot
• Tell Me You Love Me
• The Torture Never Stops
• Treacherous Cretins
• Uncle Remus
• Village Of The Sun
• What's New In Baltimore
• Willie The Pimp
• Wind Up Workin' In A Gas Station
• Yellow Snow
• Yo Mama
• Zomby Woof

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:42 am 
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Ludlow wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:
One always expects a bit of the unexpected but some of the tunes of a long list
that have been discussed as additions are Po-Jama People, Sinister Footwear,
Pick Me I'm Clean and Blue Light.
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Po-Jama People and Pick me.....YES....How about Fine Girl? I still find myself like Steve Vai laying on my back and sitting up every time Frank goes WELL!


Oh Yeah "Some More Like That"
Fall Tour 80 & 81 had so much new material, we can pick so many of them.
There are so many additional Compositions & Arrangements I have on my list from that period
but just as easily I turn the clock back 10 years to 1971 and have a Filmore Album Side on that list.
I'd love to finally hear those Fillmore East -- June 1971 arrangements sound as good as they should.

What I find so amazing is that DZPZ has not only so many compositions to look at (past , present and future)
but each composition has an arrangement factor. The 2 1/2 to 3hour DZPZ concert experience
reminds me so much of not only a FZ show where the whole show appears as a work
but just as important it looks into the composers life work as compared to a list of songs.
Some of these supposed fans that show signs of personal boredom you have to wonder what Zappa Musical DNA is inside them.

There are all type of fans but over the years be it if FZ was alive or here today where DZPZ is the only set of professional touring
musicians who has shown the level of competency that is deserved of these works, I have met so many that get the overall project/object more that just looking at song titles and that any performance of Zappa music is a blessing. It's not that I see anything wrong with wanting to hear song titles that have or have not been performed by ZPZ added to the list but after seeing that band more than 20 times since 2006 what is clear is the overall depth of the composers work that they are doing in comparison to just a set list with songs on it and a quotient of it's live Zappa.

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July 9 Amsterdam Melkweg!

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Good news, thanks for the info Unica :lol:

So far, nothing about this or any other concert in Europe and if it's true, it will (almost certainly) be Dweezil's first Euro 2010 Show.
That's because on July 6 he has a show in Halifax, Nova Scotia...

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Wahoo! Thanx for the info!

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For all those awaiting more European Dates
lots of Dweezil Zappa Plays Zappa 2010 Tour Updates
were added today.

In addition to all the US, Canada, Mexico, England & Israel
dates previously announced "as of now"
10 European Dates Confirmed & 2 More Tour Dates TBD.

http://www.zappaplayszappa.com/tourdates.html


http://www.dweezilzappaworld.com

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The closest is Kansas City for me, and it's a bit too much moolah for me right now.

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calvin2hikers wrote:
The closest is Kansas City for me, and it's a bit too much moolah for me right now.

Sorry to hear about your financial situation. I am assuming you mean the overall trip expense is a bit too much
for this one particular show is probably the lease expensive paid ticket opportunity on the entire tour
where $21 General Admission tickets are available for the DZPZ Crossroads show in Kansas City.

In 2010 it's hard to find a professional act with this level of a touring ensemble & crew that is performing at these rates.
But then again in this 10% unemployment economy some do have extreme budgeting concerns of where they spend a $20 bill these days.
If you can afford a $21 ticket but have difficulties in getting to and from a show in Kansas City check out the "Road EnthuZiasts" group
at Dweezil Zappa World. Here or There you just might find someone to share the trip expense from your local.

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Add some apathy to that also.

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trendy, its funny you spend all your time writing these HUGE posts, and nobody gives a shit what you think.

and my comment was that ZPZ focuses too much on the 70-79 era of zappa. and i am not wrong with that thought

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shit, now that i look at the awesome setlist (which FRANK zappa's band played better originally) they focus too much on the 73-77 era with a COUPLE of songs from other years. not worth it to me

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calvin2hikers wrote:
Add some apathy to that also.

Awwww...you've touched his heart!

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trenddumbass: i went through the set list and wrote out what albums the songs came from, and you can see why i have no interest in this band. frank zappa has so much music to choose from and ZPZ plays from 5-7 of his albums exclusively. i mean come on, at home do you only listen to 5 of his albums? ONE song from WOIIFTM, and only a couple from the original mothers? thats a bunch of bullshit and seems people like you are mindless.

forgive me if i referenced the wrong album, i was doing it off the top of my head...

edit: i changed it so it was easier to read. as you can see this is the same shit they've been playing for years now! :!:

ZPZ Setlist Song Selection:

• Fembot - joes garage
• Joe's Garage - joe's
• He Used to Cut The Grass - joes
• Lucille - joe's
• Outside Now - joe's
• Packard Goose - joe's
• Catholic Girls - joes garage
• Crew Slut - joe's garage

• Echidna's Arf Of You - roxy
• More Trouble Everyday - roxy
• Pygmy Twylyte - roxy
• Son of Orange County - roxy
• Village Of The Sun - roxy
• Cheepnis - roxy
• Don't You Ever Wash That Thing - roxy

• Cosmik Debris - apostrophe
• Father Oblivion - apostrophe
• St. Alfonzo's Pancake Breakfast - apostrophe
• Stinkfoot - apostrophe
• Uncle Remus - apostrophe
• Yellow Snow - apostrophe

• Andy - one size fits all
• Florentine Pogen - one size
• San Berdino - one size
• Sofa - one size
• Inca Roads - one size

• The Torture Never Stops - zoot
• Wind Up Workin' In A Gas Station- zoot
• Yo Mama - zoot
• Black Napkins - zoot
• Ms Pinky - zoot alures

• Camarillo Brillo - over-nite sensation
• Montana - overnite
• Dirty Love - overnite
• Zomby Woof - overnite

• Black Page #1 - new york
• Black Page #2 - new york
• Illinois Enema Bandit - new york
• Purple Lagoon - new york

• Chunga's Revenge - chunga
• Sharleena - chunga
• Tell Me You Love Me - chunga
• Road Ladies - chunga

• Jones crusher - sheik
• City Of Tiny Lites - sheik
• Broken Hearts - sheik yerbouti
• Flakes - sheik yerbouti

• Advance Romance - bongo fury
• Carolina Hard Core - bongo
• Muffin Man - bongo

• Ain't Got No Heart - freak out!
• How Could I Be Such A Fool?- freak out
• I'm Not Satisfied - freak out

• Beauty Knows No Pain - are what you is
• Doreen - are what you is
• I'm A Beautiful Guy - are what you is

• Dog Breath - uncle meat
• King Kong - uncle meat
• Pound For A Brown - uncle meat

• Duprees Paradise - can't do that on stage
• T'Mershi Duween - YCDTOSA

• My Guitar - weasels
• Oh No - weasels

• Peaches En Regalia - hot rats
• Willie The Pimp- hot rats

• Eat That Question - waka/jawaka
• Bamboozled By Love - tinsletown
• Filthy Habits - sleep dirt
• G-SPOT Tornado - jazz from hell
• Idiot Bastard Son - only in it for money
• Imaginary Diseases - imaginary diseases
• Magic Fingers - 200 motels
• Pygmy Twylyte (Quaalude Thunder Version)
• Treacherous Cretins
• What's New In Baltimore - mothers of prevention
• Wonderful Wino - playground
• RDNZL - studio tan
• You Didn't Try to Call Me - 1976 version
• Room Service - dub room special

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manichispanic wrote:
i went through the set list and wrote out what albums the songs came from, [/b]


This is where you show you had little to no framework for what the composer was about.
It is not merely a list of songs and albums. They are compositions and a set of arrangements
that Frank chiseled away at overtime. Your "Off The Top OF Your Head" Album diatribe is not only
missing and or mistaken of some compositions and what albums they were on but you really show no clue
as to the arrangements D(ZPZ) are performing.

For example ZPZs performance of "Dog Breath" as heard on YCFOSA Chicago #1 is not from the Uncle Meat Album.
"Dog Breath, In The Year Of The Plague" & "The Dog Breath Variations" that appear on Uncle Meat are different arrangements
than the "Dog Breathe" arrangement ZPZ are doing.

It's from the 1971 Live Arrangement as heard on Just Another Band From L.A.
and that band is referred to as FZs Vaudeville Band that toured from May 1970 to December 1971.
The compositions that ZPZ have performed from that tour blow away the officially released versions
of FZs Vaudeville Band. From FZs Vaudeville Band some of the arrangements ZPZ have done are
are "Billy The Mountain", "Call Any Vegetable", "Dog Breath" & "Wonderful Wino" and in each instance the
performances are of much higher ambient domains than the Official Releases of FZs bands performance.
Next year 2011 is the 40th Anniversary for Mothers Fillmore East -- June 1971. I can only imagine how good
an album side of those arrangements will sound. We have been waiting 40 years to hear just how good those arrangements
could sound. Bit outside of the touring arrangements their performances of Studio Chunga's Revenge Compositions such as
"Road Ladies" & "Tell Me You Love Me" shows how they dig into another sonic landscape with unexpected perfection from that basic period of time.

Another example is "You Didn't Try To Call Me" which is coming from Philly '76 and that arrangement is so different
than "Freak Out" or "Cruising With Ruben & The Jets" or "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol.1"

DZPZ performs arrangements that are taken from studio albums, live touring bands and hybrid arrangements
of many different bands. You are looking at set lists with a blank text format tool that gives little to no respect to the composer.
I have been listening to FZs music since 1967 and have attended hundreds of live Zappa concerts where I have learned the composers
work is more that a list of song titles that appear on albums where your "Dog Breath" error is prime example of hoe mistaken you re at times as to what the composer was chiseling away at.

The 60s Mothers were extremely limited in their performance skill sets. DZPZ is of higher ambient domains.
DZPZ are more in line with Ensemble Moderne on Rock & Roll Steroids. They have performed early Mothers
arrangements but more times than not you see where the basic arrangements the Mothers were doing lacked
the development FZs later bands in the 70s had. I have enjoyed some of the arrangements ZPZ have done
from any given era but to pigeon hole them from 1973 to 1977 is preposterous.

When DZ gets official releases out that bring the band up to date where you can hear all those songs that are on that list
you will hear a diverse set of arrangements from the composers canon. There is no way you can perform a critical analysis with your blank text views. When Austin 2007, ROXY, Return Of The Son Of & YCFOSA projects are out you will get a clearer picture of what they have done but it does not stop there. DZPZ continues to evolve beyond that. What was added in 2009 & 2010 is above those previous tours. DZPZ continues to evolve and you are even more so clueless of DZ guitar air sculptures and conducting aspects. Off the top of your head did not even know what album Treacherous Cretins & Yo' Mama came from.

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i know the difference between song names. i was just throwing out there how limited their mindset is on what to play.

and don't give me that shit that ZPZ's band members are better than ANY of the original bands FRANK zappa had. you are full of shit :P

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manichispanic wrote:
i know the difference between song names. i was just throwing out there how limited their mindset is on what to play.

and don't give me that shit that ZPZ's band members are better than ANY of the original bands FRANK zappa had. you are full of shit :P


You like to think off the top of your head.
Until Critical Analysis can be done by digging deep into their entire performance history
off the top of my head ZPZ have performed arrangements from the following records.

Freak Out!
Absolutely Free
We're Only In It For The Money
Lumpy Gravy
Uncle Meat
Hot Rats
Weasels Ripped My Flesh.........
Yellow Shark ,
Jazz From Hell .......... I think I'll stop there and recognize there are 86 Official Frank Zappa releases
and that ZPZ have done a good portion of digging into the canon of Frank Zappa
That is 4 years of touring not 30. They continue to evolve and you have no clue for you probably have seen little of it.

I have seen ZPZ over 20 times in four years and saw FZs band up to 13 times a tour since 1978.
I have seen countless in the ballpark performances by Palermo & P/O and while they are fun to some extent
until one realizes and gets past the regalia of bar band standards and alumni ejectamenta a fun time
of in the ball park is what it is. The Bar Band Zappa Cover bands just do not get into FZs Compositional DNA nor
do they maintain a level of live performance professionalism as DZPZ has. Some occasional have limeted merrit
but what DZPZ are accomplishing is as close to a once in a lifetime possibility on unexpected perfection that
one could expect with a canon of work of this complexity.

Few ever expected FZs music would ever have such a remarkable live platform after his departure.
DZPZ is here and many hope for it to continue to evolve over decades and people like you come to an official Zappa
forum with blank text lists that give zero sense of critical analysis as to what the composers intent was all about
and what accomplishments DZPZ have made..

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See, manichispanic? You don't like 'em, 'cause yer too ignant to like 'em!

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just plain doug wrote:
See, manichispanic? You don't like 'em, 'cause yer too ignant to like 'em!

It's not a matter of like or not like I am addressing.
Clueless analysis as to the core material they have performed over 4 years of touring
is what is pooting out of that forum users keyboard.
It's not much different than those who pass analysis of I don't like Zappa when they have heard maybe one or two songs
out of a catalog of 86 albums. Zappa's canon is not a list of songs, Frank compared it to a mountain where he chiseled away
at the mountain over time. He gives little to no credence as to how ZPZ is digging into Franks body of work.

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Trendmonger wrote:
I have seen countless in the ballpark performances by Palermo


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That's right you guessed right I'm Ed Palermo. No actually I'm Gary Titone Staff Columnist from http://www.cuccurullo.tv. and by this stage in life I've seen over 100 live Zappa related events. The most heart warming response I can say about Ed Palermos arrangements of Frank Zappa compositions is that he truly does a fine job of putting the so called "Eye Brows" on it. I hope that one day Ed has the opportunity to bring his Big Band to play directly for the ZFT. And remember if you see me at one of the shows my name is not Ed Palermo.

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thank you trenddouche, its all clear to me now. now i get it! :roll:

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jamesE wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:
I have seen countless in the ballpark performances by Palermo


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-- Jan 8, 2002 at 10:25PM
That's right you guessed right I'm Ed Palermo. No actually I'm Gary Titone Staff Columnist from http://www.cuccurullo.tv. and by this stage in life I've seen over 100 live Zappa related events. The most heart warming response I can say about Ed Palermos arrangements of Frank Zappa compositions is that he truly does a fine job of putting the so called "Eye Brows" on it. I hope that one day Ed has the opportunity to bring his Big Band to play directly for the ZFT. And remember if you see me at one of the shows my name is not Ed Palermo.

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James,
That was Dateline 2002,

Ed Palermo as he was then is still out there doing it with his, Ed Palermo's "Eyebrows". Some of the performances and arrangements are better than others but for the most part after a while you do start to see far too much of Ed Palermo's arranging taking over what's going on. The more Ed Palermo was digging into FZs canon the more he was perverting it and making it Ed Palermo Big Band arrangements. It's fun for the most part, hit or miss sometimes perversely grotesque misrepresentation for I do not see a clear agenda to work within the canon of the composer.

The last show I saw several years ago summer of 2005 or 2006 I was thoroughly disappointed at the extreme at which his arrangements turned more and more to Ed Palermo. Jingo/G-Spot/Caravan was a freight train wreck. Personally I was appalled at just how fowl that smelled and I wanted to walk out of the show. He is still doing that arrangement. Those Nigey Lennon & John Tobacco guest spots are repulsive. What's next Babaloo Bamboon calls from Cuba vs Mars Needs Women with Lucie Arnaz & Desi Arnez Jr as special guests on Vocals & Conga. I think many of his shows were very entertaining and raised awareness into what Ed Palermo does but after a while the aroma of Ed Palermo was a bit too much when he started not only rearranging to an extreme but starting mixing other composers works in harsh fashion within his arrangements.

It's not that Ed Palermo is some extreme hack with a bar band aroma with the reek of Weasel Dusk coming out of all his pores
but there is a big distinction as to what Ed is doing and how his arrangements have evolved compared to what FZ created
and what a core group like DZPZ is achieving where they are giving respect to the composers canon in the highest regards possible.
Ed Palermo will continue to be fun for people that want to digest Ed Palermo's arrangements. Ed Palermo cares more about Ed Palermo
than Frank Zappa the composer. You hear it in his dialog, his arrangements and his attitude of his interviews when his new CDs are released.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:44 pm 
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And yet but also this date was added today.
Jul 11, ’10 Weert, NL Bospop Restival
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http://www.zappaplayszappa.com/tourdates.html

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:18 am 
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unica wrote:
July 9 Amsterdam Melkweg!


Ordered my ticket today... :mrgreen:

Can't wait to go and see ZPZ again, it has been almost a year since i've last seen them in Groningen.

But first i'll be going to see Bozzio, Holdsworth, Levin en Mastelotto in Groningen on april the 11th !

edit: My guess is Dweezil and the gang will perform in Tilburg (013) on July 10th, because that particular date is still open...

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